General Managers In the NFL

[Royal Laegotti]

Actually Jerry has an undrafted Free Agent QB, so that trumps a 6th round pick by your logic.

Parcells and Payton found Romo.

Either that or include Pioli's QB flops with Matt Cassell and Kliff Kingsbury. Or the fact that they used a 2nd round pick on Chad Jackson who wasn't even in their game plans last year. Or that Piloi used a 1st round pick on Laurence Maroney and Jerry's 4th round pick of a guy from the same college backfield, Marion Barber, is a much better pick.

How would you know those 2 QB's are flops, Brady never misses a snap, remember they tried to run up the score all the time Brady played entire games. With Moss, Welker, Stallworth, and Gaffney why would Jackson be in their plans. Barber was picked in the Parcells era, so it's hard for me to give Jerry the cred for finding him.

Cherry picking one player to make a point is laughable. Hardly worth acknowledging.

Who Brady or Quincy? It's a very good point since the QB is normally the face of the franchise.

Fact, every GM in the NFL makes moves that fail, not just Jerry Jones.

Never said anything remotely like that, there are other GM's in the league who make bad draft picks and bad free agent signings who I still consider better than Jerry.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Or you mean like Tony Romo?

See my response to Hos!

By the time Jerry had been in the league 6 years he had won 2 SB's ... I am not badmouthing Ozzie .... I am showing that its hard for good GM's.

Thanks to tha Jimmsta!

He is an incredible football man ..... thats the point .... he has only won the big game 1 time in 22 years of working with great coaches. Yet Jerry has done it 3 times in less time.

Polian never had a coach like Jimmy either, so I guess you gotta give Jethro credit for something, hiring Jimmy.

Keep spinning buddy ..... and keep holding Jerry to higher standards than anyone else in the league.

I'm not in the business of spinning, I'm in the "NO SPIN ZONE" as O'Reilly would say! I just call it like I see it. So this is what it's about holding Jethro to lower standards? Why? He owns the Dallas Cowboys who are supposed to have higher standards than the rest of the league and they can't even win a stinkin' playoff game. Hold Jethro to higher standards, duh!!!!!

 

[Little Jr]

Parcells and Payton found Romo.

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I guess Jerry is the only GM in the league that has coaches, asst coaches and scouts that help him find players. Who found Brady? Was it Scott Pioli, Billicheat, a scout or a asst coach? The point is the GM doesnt do ALL the scouting and isnt the only opinion in the room. They all use scouts and coaches. Jerrry just doenst get no credit for anything and all the blame for when crap go wrong.

 

[Bach]

The Liar returns.

I see you still have nothing to provide but namecalling.

I find this funny coming from someone who has become the joke of the forum while Edunce is hiding from Hos.

Says who, you? The boards troll.

And, I'm not the one living in a fantasy world. If being a joke means living in reality, then I guess that's fine with me.

The only fantasy around here is some peoples sour grapes, agenda driven opinion that our GM is bad or has not learned from his mistakes.

His Resume speaks for itself to anyone who is not blinded by stupidity.

The only agenda around here is by people like you who are constantly distorting history in an effort to act like Jerry was primarily responsible for building the championship teams.

Also, I've never said he has or hasn't learned from his mistakes. I just know that he wasn't the main personnel decision-maker in the early 90's and it's rather humorous to see the lengths people go to act like he was.

 

[Vintage]

I guess, Bach, my only real complaint with you is that you continue to ignore (or perhaps, you haven't gotten around to it)....my point about Jerry post-Parcells.

I agree and conceed that Jerry in the 90s stunk the place up.

And I don't think you disagree with that.

But what I've tried to ask you repeatedly.... is about the direction you think Jerry has been heading post-Parcells.

I've conceeded its a very small sample to look at, but for now, its all we have.

And this is it:

07 Draft- Well, I don't need to repeat it. But outside of Stanback, who was a project player to begin with, do you disagree with the draft?

07 free agency- Hamlin and Davis were signed. Romo, Ratliff, and Crayton were extended. Crayton, maybe we overpaid somewhat, but I think the extensions/free agency signings were good moves overall.

And in 08 free agency, we extended Adams and added Zach Thomas.

These are all we have to look at, for the post-Parcells Jerry decisions.

Would you say he has done a good job, or not?

I think his decisions post Parcells are a better indication of where we are headed (for better or worse) than decisions he made over a decade ago.

So my question (and point), is....what do think of the decisions made post-Parcells by Jerry?

 

[Bach]

Fair enough Bach.

One of your arguments has been that Parcells was in control over the roster while he was in Dallas, of which, I agree for the most part.

Can you address the part where I discussed moves made where it was clear Jones was in charge (07 Free agency, 07 Draft, 08 free agency)...

With Parcells gone, Jerry has extended Romo, Ratliff, Crayton.... signed Hamlin, Davis, Zach Thomas....

Would you classify those as good moves, on the whole?


(I guess the point I am trying to get at is... since Parcells has been gone, do you think Jerry is reverting back to ol' Jerry, or would you say he has made good moves and perhaps learned?)

So far I think the moves we've made the last 1 and a half years have been positive. I don't believe I've said anything to the contrary.

I think we will find out a lot more after the next couple of drafts now that both BP and Ireland are gone. Hopefully he has learned and will continue to follow the model that was put in place when BP arrived.

Just to be clear, my main contention with people over Jerry is centered towards the revisionist historians around here who have tried to distort his role in the past. I'm not projecting his failure in the past onto the present.

 

[Vintage]

So far I think the moves we've made the last 1 and a half have been positive. I don't believe I've said anything to the contrary.

I think we will find out a lot more after the next couple of drafts now that both BP and Ireland are gone. Hopefully he has learned and will continue to follow the model that was put in place when BP arrived.

Just to be clear, my main contention with people over Jerry is centered towards the revisionist historians around here who have tried to distort his role in the past. I'm not projecting his failure in the past onto the present.

OK. And I wasn't trying to imply you didn't think the moves post-Parcells were solid. Rather, I was trying to figure out/ask what you thought of those moves.

And I think we can agree, Jerry's moves over the past 1.5 years are more relevant to where the future of the Cowboys are headed than decisions he made a decade or so ago.

I understand your position on the revisionist history. I am merely trying to look at more recent moves and gauge where we are headed now.

So, if you are willing to say that Jerry has made some nice moves over the past 1.5 years post-Parcells, are you willing to admit Jerry has probably learned a thing or two from Parcells? And that this bodes well for our future?

 

[Bach]

OK. And I wasn't trying to imply you didn't think the moves post-Parcells were solid. Rather, I was trying to figure out/ask what you thought of those moves.

And I think we can agree, Jerry's moves over the past 1.5 years are more relevant to where the future of the Cowboys are headed than decisions he made a decade or so.

I understand your position on the revisionist history. I am merely trying to look at more recent moves and gauge where we are headed now.

So, if you are willing to say that Jerry has made some nice moves over the past 1.5 years post-Parcells, are you willing to admit Jerry has probably learned a thing or two from Parcells? And that this bodes well for our future?

I think too many get my discussions with people regarding the past confused with what I think about the present and future. If we continue to make moves and decisions like the past 1.5 years I think we should continue to do well.
That's not say I don't have some concerns about the post BP/Ireland era, but I'm not projecting Jerry's past failures onto the present and future. I do hope he's learned.

 

[Vintage]

I think too many get my discussions with people regarding the past confused with what I think about the present and future. If we continue to make moves and decisions like the past 1.5 years I think we should continue to do well.
That's not say I don't have some concerns about the post BP/Ireland era, but I'm not projecting Jerry's past failures onto the present and future. I do hope he's learned.

I know. Which is why I carefully worded my questions to you and carefully created my posts...

I understand full well what your point is with regard to Jerry in the past.

I just wanted to know your opinion of Jerry in the post-Parcells era.... for my own benefit....and so others who claim you do nothing but rip on Jerry could see it for themselves too; that you admit Jerry has done better lately.

That was really all I was striving for.

 

[CoCo]

I think too many get my discussions with people regarding the past confused with what I think about the present and future. If we continue to make moves and decisions like the past 1.5 years I think we should continue to do well.
That's not say I don't have some concerns about the post BP/Ireland era, but I'm not projecting Jerry's past failures onto the present and future. I do hope he's learned.

So is your current ranking of the Cowboys personnel department (or Jerry Jones as GM if you prefer) still below 23 other "GMs" as you indicated earlier or did that ranking include Jerry's entire tenure.

I'm a bit confused how you could rank Jones #24 amongst GM's but still feel good about the last 1.5 years.

Clarify?

 

[Bach]

So is your current ranking of the Cowboys personnel department (or Jerry Jones as GM if you prefer) still below 23 other "GMs" as you indicated earlier or did that ranking include Jerry's entire tenure.

I'm a bit confused how you could rank Jones #24 amongst GM's but still feel good about the last 1.5 years.

Clarify?

That was basically for his entire tenure.

Right now, we have limited, imo, knowledge of what will happen post BP/Ireland. So far, in the last year and a half (even though Ireland was here for the draft last year) I think we've done fine. I hope it continues.

 

[Bach]

I know. Which is why I carefully worded my questions to you and carefully created my posts...

I understand full well what your point is with regard to Jerry in the past.

I just wanted to know your opinion of Jerry in the post-Parcells era.... for my own benefit....and so others who claim you do nothing but rip on Jerry could see it for themselves too; that you admit Jerry has done better lately.

That was really all I was striving for.

No problem. I do think Jerry's moves in FA and with the cap have been solid lately and he was involved heavily with that even during BP's tenure. The draft, on the other hand, imo, has been his weakness and there's still a lot to find out post BP/Ireland.

 

[BigDFan5]

Well it has been over 24 hours since I asked a simple question. I wrongly assumed Back was looking for honest debate and would answer direct questions about his opinions. But as we can see he is a coward who will spout things and then run when challenged. Bach before you reply to this with your normal one liner and smiley could you remember to include the reasons why Jay Zygmunt is a better GM than Jerry along with that post. Thanks

 

[CoCo]

That was basically for his entire tenure.

Right now, we have limited, imo, knowledge of what will happen post BP/Ireland. So far, in the last year and a half (even though Ireland was here for the draft last year) I think we've done fine. I hope it continues.

Thanks for the answer.

Ranking Jerry's entire tenure vs current day GMs may be a fun exercise for some but I don't know that its highly relevant to our future.

The relevant discussion is how will our talent evaluation look moving forward, not looking back. It sounds like most of us are encouraged by early returns of the last 1.5 years but also a bit concerned about how the loss of BP and Ireland will manifest itself longer term.

Fair enough IMO.

 

[CoCo]

Well it has been over 24 hours since I asked a simple question. I wrongly assumed Back was looking for honest debate and would answer direct questions about his opinions. But as we can see he is a coward who will spout things and then run when challenged. Bach before you reply to this with your normal one liner and smiley could you remember to include the reasons why Jay Zygmunt is a better GM than Jerry along with that post. Thanks

Read post #171 and I think you have your answer.

 

[Hostile]

I would take Jerry as our GM at this point over the other candidates for one reason above all others. He actually has something on the line personally. The other candidates except for Mike Brown, it is really just a job. Jerry has proven to be superior to Mike Brown many times over in his desire to get things done, IMO.

I have nothing but respect for Scott Pioli and Bill Polian. There are a couple of other GMs on that list that I also respect. They flub up just like anyone else. There is no such thing as a perfect GM. Given that choice and the fact Jerry has the team pointed in the right direction I am quite comfortable with how the future shapes up.

If we're in such horrible shape (being sarcastic folks) how come Jeff Ireland and Bill Parcells are raiding our scraps to improve their team? Nearly everything Miami has done this off season has involved acquiring someone from us. Even they came from us. That tells me that they know how strong we were set up.

I said it in the very first post, I really don't think who the GM is matters. It is still about coaching and it is still about players executing. The scouting department has done their jobs well in recent years and I think they will continue to do so. We have a solid staff with good pieces to work with. 13 wins, 13 Pro Bowlers, very few holes to fill and 3 day 1 picks to do it. To me that means no excuses.

Others can focus on the past that can't be changed if they want to. I'm going to do my level best to focus on the future.

 

[BigDFan5]

Read post #171 and I think you have your answer.

I read it and it didnt answer my question

 

[Bach]

I guess we can take Jay Zygmunt off the list when he takes a Super Bowl team and greatly contributes to them falling to 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons. Granted I don't have him at or near the top of the list, but I don't think he'd be any worse than what we had when Jerry and Lacewell were running things around here.

But like I've said, hopefully Jerry has now learned and will stick to the model that was developed by BP and Ireland.

 

[BigDFan5]

I guess we can take Jay Zygmunt off the list when he takes a Super Bowl team and greatly contributes to them falling to 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons. Granted I don't have him at or near the top of the list, but I don't think he'd be any worse than what we had when Jerry and Lacewell were running things around here.

But like I've said, hopefully Jerry has now learned and will stick to the model that was developed by BP and Ireland.

You said he was better than Jerry right now, now back it up and tell us why. I made a whole post using most of the names you provided and you can not rebut any of them

 

[Bach]

You said he was better than Jerry right now, now back it up and tell us why. I made a whole post using most of the names you provided and you can not rebut any of them

Well why don't you go analyze a few more and then say 'pretty please', and then I'll think about it.

I'm waiting, snap to it.