General Managers In the NFL

[Vintage]

One final note for tonight.

BigDfan, I have to think you don't even believe all of what you're saying. It's got to be that you've gone so far in arguing your position that it's gotten to the point of no return.

Vintage, I'll answer your post tomorrow.

Fair enough.

Have a good night.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

But...Jerry played football too!! On a Champion team...remember? Yeah, your right, Jerry don't know chit...

If only we had educan in on this!!


:laugh2:


Wow....

Clayton Holmes and Leon Lett played football on championship teams to, would you want them making personnel decisions for your team.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Umm yes you have said Jimmy did it alone, you are the one saying Jerry was a figurehead and Jimmy built everything remember

If he didn't say it then I will, umm, with the addition of Jethro's open check book! I don't believe all the "stories" that Jerry wanted Aikman and Haley and Jimmy didn't, to me all that's just Jethro PR spin club poo! Nobody will ever convince me otherwise!

The contrast of the Jimmy led Cowboys vs. the post Jimmy led Cowboys is to great to convince me otherwise.

Not only did the Cowboys drafts go down the toilet but overall team disipline went with it and has never been back to the level it was when he was here, even while Bill was here, though he made improvements.

It's amazing to me that the '95 team was able to hold it together enough to win it all that year.

My 2 pennies.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, it's much better hearing how Jerry the GM has three SB rings, inferring that he built those teams. LMAO. But hey, it plays well with the homers. *towel wave*

Woo-woo!

The sour grapes diet really works for you huh?

 

[Bach]

The sour grapes diet really works for you huh?

Sour grapes? No, I just prefer to live in reality, regardless of whether it's positive or negative.

But hey, we can continue to pretend eveytime the past is brought up if that's the way you guys like it around here. But maybe you can do me a favor and put all of those posts over in the FantasyZone.

And, I'm sure it gets old for you. But it gets just as old to me hearing the revisionist history. Humorous, but old.

 

[zrinkill]

Some of these have to be a joke right?

First I will eliminate the ones that I agree with or are to close to call

Now lets go through these one by one and see how you did

For the draft segments I will use rd 1 through 4
0 superbowls

GM of the Eagles from 1998-2001 fired by Eagles replaced by Reid

Drafts consist of

Hits

Trotter, McNabb, Thomas, John Welbourn,


Busts
Allen Rossum
Clarence Love
Barry Gardner
Doug Brzezinski
Damon Moore
Na Brown
Corey Simon
Todd Stinkston
Bobbie Williams
Gari Scott
Freddie Mitchell
Quinton Caver
Derrick Burgess* (Bust for them great with Raiders)
Sorry Parcells is not the GM according to him, and Ireland has done exactly 0 as a GM

Had a great draft last year but took someone elses team to the superbowl that doesnt count in your world remember that

So you want a guy who has no authority at all? GM of a non playoff team who doesnt even have final say?
0 superbowls

2 winning season as GM

To many busts to list look here to see them http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=0810&type=team

Another guy that had no control, and has been fired now unemployed


horrible drafts

No playoff win since 1993

0 superbowls

yes this is the guy you wouldnt ***** about LOL
Looks to be doing a good job with Cleveland, but its been 1 good year
Another 1 good year guy with nothing to show for it. Hell there were rumors he was going to be fired last season

0 superbowls

and Gruden has the power So what do you see in him?


This is a serious question doesnt Rick Spielman handle the players and drafts and Brzenski handles salary cap?
I like him, he had 2 very good seasons, he didnt run their drafts even if he did they have pretty bad recently though.

Another guy I like other than the handling of guys like Hamlin and the major blunder with Steve Hutchinson he does his job well. But does he do it better than JJ IMO no and a couple wild card wins and a superbowl loss dont change that

Is another cap guy not considered strong on personnel but you want him to be our personnel guy? He took over GM duties in 2007 and the Rams sucked. My favorite quote about him "(Zygmunt) a general manager who has no credible football background" and this scathing paragraph

Softli is not the problem. When he was hired in June 2006, he was given the fancy title of vice president, player personnel. But almost immediately after he got the job, Softli — a career football man who played Division I football, coached on the collegiate level and scouted on the pro level — was quickly told by Zygmunt to limit his activity to scouting college players. Zygmunt, the trained lawyer and accountant who has never played, coached or scouted on any level beyond high school to the best we can find, said he would handle the pro personnel side.

And how lovely has that worked out?
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sp...200D8F93288800BC862573C2001C69C3?OpenDocument

GREAT choice, BTW this name shows me you just listed a bunch of guys and had no clue as to their actual role

a guy who has been GM one year and finished 3rd in his division with a 1st round playoff loss. I am sure this would please you













I intended to do a detailed workup of all the names like I did the very first one but as I looked over the list I realized it was not serious that this was made as a joke and hence I decided against doing so much work. BTW you only gave 22 names where are the other two?

Wow ...... Bach got slapped.

 

[Bach]

Vintage, here you go:

Basically, it's not just about having to have a specific player. It's about being smart and getting value for your picks and not reaching for guys.

As long as we are smart about our selections and don't reach, then we shouldn't have any problems.
Last year, I thought we did a fairly good job, even though Spencer wasn't someone I thought we were keying on going into the draft. But he was a solid selection at the time and ended up with the trade down and the #1 this year which had the potential to be a top 5 pick at the time.
The only qualm I had was I felt we reached a little for Stanback - but that clearly seems to be an Ireland guy, so I have never criticized Jerry for it.


Anyways as for some specifics, I'll start with some things I hope we don't do:

1. Trade both #1 picks (or more) for McFadden. I think he's a real good RB, but the price to move up is just too steep.
2. I don't want to see us trade out of the first round with either pick. I'd prefer to stay at 22 and 28, but not opposed if we move up or down a couple spots determining on the situation.
3. Don't reach for need.


Players I like at #22/#28:
RB's:
Mendenhall
F. Jones
J. Stewart

WR's:

Devin Thomas
D. Jackson
L. Sweed

CB's;

McKelvin
Cromartie
Talib
M. Jenkins


I'd love to get some combination of RB/WR/CB with our top two picks, unless someone else falls who is clearly the BPA, like say, OL like Chris WIliams or Otah, or LB Rivers.

But like I said, as long as we draft smart and avoid reaching then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

 

[Bach]

Wow ...... Bach got slapped.

Take it to the FantasyZone.

 

[zrinkill]

Jerry's updated Resume

Resume 19 years GM

3 Superbowl Championships
3 NFC Championships
7 NFC East Championships
11 winning seasons
11 playoff seasons

I think there is only one guy in the league who can match that ..... and his team has been caught cheating.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

Jerry's updated Resume

Resume 19 years GM

3 Superbowl Championships
3 NFC Championships
7 NFC East Championships
11 winning seasons
11 playoff seasons

I think there is only one guy in the league who can match that ..... and his team has been caught cheating.

Then there's only one explanation. Jerry must have cheated. We all know he's the most incompetent owner/GM in the NFL.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Then there's only one explanation. Jerry must have cheated. We all know he's the most incompetent owner/GM in the NFL.

Na he just had Jimmy and then he had a few good years left over with Jimmy's team.

 

[zrinkill]

Na he just had Jimmy and then he had a few good years left over with Jimmy's team.

So did Scott Pioli just have Billicheat and Brady?

Ozzie Newsome has 50 wins and 46 loses with no playoff wins as a GM for 6 years.

The incredible Bill Polian has 1 Superbowl win in a 22 year carreer as GM of 3 different team with great coaches like Marv Levy, Tony Dungy, and Dom Capers.

This tiresome excuse making by the Anti Jerry squad is ridiculous when compared to other GM's

 

[Mash]

Its pretty pathetic...

Jerry can do no right......Jimmy Genius and Big Bill can do no wrong....

I wonder what excuse they will come up with.......lets see....what did Jimmy ever win for the Dolphins? What did Big Bill ever win without Bellicheat?

You can play that type of game with every single coach....GM in the league.

The Fact is.....Jerry Jones as GM has won 3 SB's......he made some very good moves and made some very bad ones......he drafted well......and he drafted poorly.....he mismanaged the cap and he has learned........he is just like every other GM......he just has a few more SB's then many of the others.

So embrace the Hate fellas.........Jerry bashers just have a agenda........still must be pissed on how Landry was treated....or something .....

 

[Q_the_man]

When we had Jimmy, the drafts and trades were great.

When Jones hires Parcells, our drafts instantly turn around.

The other 10 or so years of the Jerry Jones era have been an abysmal failure. He's never done it without an all-time great running the show, so I have little faith it'll be different now. Hope he proves me wrong.

Jimmy wasn't an all time great when Jerry signed him, therefore Jerry gets all the credit in signing Jimmy.......

If not for Jerry, Jimmy probably never coaches in the NFL......Then again look what Jimmy did without Jerry in Miami, things that make u go hmmm...

 

[Royal Laegotti]

So did Scott Pioli just have Billicheat and Brady?

You mean the 6th round pick Brady? I think Jethro had a 2nd round pick Quincy he thought would be the next McNabb and that guy was throwing kickoffs to another guy he traded 2 1st round picks for who busted for us. That was pure genius by him. Mark of a wonderful GM.

Ozzie Newsome has 50 wins and 46 loses with no playoff wins as a GM for 6 years.

Atleast it's not 12! That would give Oz a winning % of 52. Jethro is 125-110 including postseasons since Jimmy left that would be a winning % of 53. If you include the Johnson years the record is 176-147 with a overall Jones era winning % of 54 including postseason. So Jimmy's 5 years improved Jethro's winning % 1% adding 2 Superbowl titles and still factoring in a 1-15 record in '89. So Oz is on a 6 year drought and Jethro's is 12, they each have 1 ring as GM (again since Jimmy left) and you know I always credit Jimmy with that ring in '95 anyway! So Oz is looking alittle better than Jethro or as good which really ain't saying much!

During the Johnson years '89-'93 the Cowboys winning % was 58% with 2 Superbowl titles with a 1-15 season factored in aswell like a said above. Since Jimmy left and Jethro became judge, jury and executioner of everything Cowboys, 1 superbowl and a winning % of 53, 12 years straight without a postseason victory. Yeah, sure he's the best GM in the league, whatever!

The incredible Bill Polian has 1 Superbowl win in a 22 year carreer as GM of 3 different team with great coaches like Marv Levy, Tony Dungy, and Dom Capers.

OK but he's GM'd his teams to 5 superbowls so he must've been doing something right over the course of his career. So I guess everywhere he goes he has great success. Sounds incredible to me.

This tiresome excuse making by the Anti Jerry squad is ridiculous when compared to other GM's

Well that just breaks my heart and makes me feel totally inadequate.

 

[Hostile]

You mean the 6th round pick Brady? I think Jethro had a 2nd round pick Quincy he thought would be the next McNabb and that guy was throwing kickoffs to another guy he traded 2 1st round picks for who busted for us. That was pure genius by him. Mark of a wonderful GM.

Actually Jerry has an undrafted Free Agent QB, so that trumps a 6th round pick by your logic.

Either that or include Pioli's QB flops with Matt Cassell and Kliff Kingsbury. Or the fact that they used a 2nd round pick on Chad Jackson who wasn't even in their game plans last year. Or that Piloi used a 1st round pick on Laurence Maroney and Jerry's 4th round pick of a guy from the same college backfield, Marion Barber, is a much better pick.

Cherry picking one player to make a point is laughable. Hardly worth acknowledging.


Fact, every GM in the NFL makes moves that fail, not just Jerry Jones.

 

[zrinkill]

You mean the 6th round pick Brady? I think Jethro had a 2nd round pick Quincy he thought would be the next McNabb and that guy was throwing kickoffs to another guy he traded 2 1st round picks for who busted for us. That was pure genius by him. Mark of a wonderful GM.

Or you mean like Tony Romo?

Atleast it's not 12! That would give Oz a winning % of 52. Jethro is 125-110 including postseasons since Jimmy left that would be a winning % of 53. If you include the Johnson years the record is 176-147 with a overall Jones era winning % of 54 including postseason. So Jimmy's 5 years improved Jethro's winning % 1% adding 2 Superbowl titles and still factoring in a 1-15 record in '89. So Oz is on a 6 year drought and Jethro's is 12, they each have 1 ring as GM (again since Jimmy left) and you know I always credit Jimmy with that ring in '95 anyway! So Oz is looking alittle better than Jethro or as good which really ain't saying much!

By the time Jerry had been in the league 6 years he had won 2 SB's ... I am not badmouthing Ozzie .... I am showing that its hard for good GM's.

OK but he's GM'd his teams to 5 superbowls so he must've been doing something right over the course of his career. So I guess everywhere he goes he has great success. Sounds incredible to me.

He is an incredible football man ..... thats the point .... he has only won the big game 1 time in 22 years of working with great coaches. Yet Jerry has done it 3 times in less time.

Keep spinning buddy ..... and keep holding Jerry to higher standards than anyone else in the league.

 

[Bach]

He is an incredible football man ..... thats the point .... he has only won the big game 1 time in 22 years of working with great coaches. Yet Jerry has done it 3 times in less time.
.

Tell us again how Jerry won those three Super Bowls.

You see, all you have to fall back on is something that happened over a dozen years ago that had more to do with Jimmy, great scouts, and a lot of luck.

As long as revisionists want to change history, then there will be people like me setting the record straight. Jerry was far from the main cog making the personnel decisions in those first 5 years.


Now tell me how Jerry just had nearly a decade long dry spell that just coincidentally started right after Jimmy left. Then let's hear you spin how we started suddenly drafting well coincidentally the same time BP came on board.

Yeah, you really should move your posts over the FantasyZone.

 

[zrinkill]

Yeah, you really should move your posts over the FantasyZone.

The Liar returns.

I find this funny coming from someone who has become the joke of the forum while Edunce is hiding from Hos.

The only fantasy around here is some peoples sour grapes, agenda driven opinion that our GM is bad or has not learned from his mistakes.

His Resume speaks for itself to anyone who is not blinded by stupidity.

 

[Vintage]

Fair enough Bach.

One of your arguments has been that Parcells was in control over the roster while he was in Dallas, of which, I agree for the most part.

Can you address the part where I discussed moves made where it was clear Jones was in charge (07 Free agency, 07 Draft, 08 free agency)...

With Parcells gone, Jerry has extended Romo, Ratliff, Crayton.... signed Hamlin, Davis, Zach Thomas....

Would you classify those as good moves, on the whole?

(I guess the point I am trying to get at is... since Parcells has been gone, do you think Jerry is reverting back to ol' Jerry, or would you say he has made good moves and perhaps learned?)