General Managers In the NFL

[BigDFan5]

No, Jerry was their to rubberstam...give final say.

So final say was always whatever Jimmy wanted or did they ever disagree, and when they did agree was it always Jimmys idea or did Jerry ever have any ideas

I never said Jimmy did it alone. But to act like Jerry's role and control has never changed from day one through the mid to late 90's and then til now is incredibly clueless.

Umm yes you have said Jimmy did it alone, you are the one saying Jerry was a figurehead and Jimmy built everything remember

all the while listening to idiot Lacewell.

I agree I wish Jerry would have overridden Jimmys decision to hire his friend Lacewell

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

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Far too weak. That post needed a... :starspin :starspin :starspin :bravo: :bravo: :toast: :worthy2: :worthy2: :clap2: :showme: :helmet: :america: :helmet2:

 

[Bach]

So Jerry rubberstamped Parcells decision to get TO?

Did I say that? I said BP had the most control of anyone since Jimmy. In the draft, BP had a huge say in personnel. Guys like Carpenter and Fasano are classic BP picks. It is well documented TO was JJ's guy and BP didn't want him.

My bad I forgot Jimmy was a great NFL GM before Jerry hired him, oh wait what he wasnt? You mean he was just learning the ropes?

Didn't say Jimmy was before he came. But he did know most of the top college talent from when he was at Miami and having recruited them and coached against them. I guess Jerry was scouting these kids when he was drilling for oil? Use your brain man.

Just as good as believing a college coach came in and started running an NFL team all by himself except for the occasional head nod from Jerry

I think a college coach would know how to run a team and evaluate talent more than an oilman would. But hey, let's throw reality out the window and act like Jerry was a great GM from day one who built a team into a three time SB winner in 4 years, then just suddenly ran them into the ground once Jimmy left. Wow, you really are reaching here.

 

[Bach]

:laugh2: it's true

It's really unreal what some of these guys believe, or at least try and pretend to believe.

 

[Rampage]

Did I say that? I said BP had the most control of anyone since Jimmy. In the draft, BP had a huge say in personnel. Guys like Carpenter and Fasano are classic BP picks. It is well documented TO was JJ's guy and BP didn't want him.




Didn't say Jimmy was before he came. But he did know most of the top college talent from when he was at Miami and having recruited them and coached against them. I guess Jerry was scouting these kids when he was drilling for oil? Use your brain man.





I think a college coach would know how to run a team and evaluate talent more than an oilman would. But hey, let's throw reality out the window and act like Jerry was a great GM from day one who built a team into a three time SB winner in 4 years, then just suddenly ran them into the ground once Jimmy left. Wow, you really are reaching here.

#1 watch him disagree cause parcells told the media otherwise

#2:laugh2:

 

[BigDFan5]

Did I say that? I said BP had the most control of anyone since Jimmy. In the draft, BP had a huge say in personnel. Guys like Carpenter and Fasano are classic BP picks. It is well documented TO was JJ's guy and BP didn't want him.

You are the one that said when Jimmy and Parcells was here he was just a figurehead doing the rubberstamping

Didn't say Jimmy was before he came. But he did know most of the top college talent from when he was at Miami and having recruited them and coached against them. I guess Jerry was scouting these kids when he was drilling for oil? Use your brain man.

We arent only talking about their draft we are talking about GM duties which include trades signing players etc. Was Jimmy making big trades while at the U?

I think a college coach would know how to run a team and evaluate talent more than an oilman would. But hey, let's throw reality out the window and act like Jerry was a great GM from day one who built a team into a three time SB winner in 4 years, then just suddenly ran them into the ground once Jimmy left. Wow, you really are reaching here.

I got a better idea lets pretend a self made billionaire bought a multi million dollar franchise and turned it over to a college coach while he sat by and rubber stamped everything he was told to do

 

[Bach]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2025773&postcount=87

Still waiting on a reply to that post Bach, I am sure you are working on it

Already replied to it. I'm still waiting on your analysis of those incredible Jerry/Lacewell drafts from 94-01.

 

[Vintage]

Bach, would you address my post when you get the chance?

 

[BigDFan5]

Already replied to it. I'm still waiting on your analysis of those incredible Jerry/Lacewell drafts from 94-01.

ummm no you havent you ducked it big time

Here we can make it simple how is Jay Zygmunt better than Jerry?

 

[Rampage]

You are the one that said when Jimmy and Parcells was here he was just a figurehead doing the rubberstamping


We arent only talking about their draft we are talking about GM duties which include trades signing players etc. Was Jimmy making big trades while at the U?




I got a better idea lets pretend a self made billionaire bought a multi million dollar franchise and turned it over to a college coach while he sat by and rubber stamped everything he was told to do

you don't have to pretend it cause it happned. jerry is great business man but you are overrating his football knowledge especially when he purchased the team.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

I think a college coach would know how to run a team and evaluate talent more than an oilman would. But hey, let's throw reality out the window and act like Jerry was a great GM from day one who built a team into a three time SB winner in 4 years, then just suddenly ran them into the ground once Jimmy left. Wow, you really are reaching here.

Jerry was also dealing with the beginnings of Free Agency and the cap. Also, Aikman, Emmitt, and Irvin couldn't play in their prime forever. Just because we believe Jerry has changed and like him as owner/GM doesn't mean we believe he was always right. I, still to this day, get sick thinking over the possible lost SB's because of his fighting with Jimmy. But, Jerry has learned over the years what he's good at and what he's not.The past is past. All that matters is what Jerry does in the present because that's what affects our future.

 

[BigDFan5]

you dn't have to pretend it cause it happned. jerry is great business man but you are overrating his football knowledge especially when he purchased the team.

and you are overestimating Jimmys business knowledge when he came to the Cowboys. THAT is why they were a great team who built us a great dynasty because they were both very good at different things

 

[Rampage]

Jerry was also dealing with the beginnings of Free Agency and the cap. Also, Aikman, Emmitt, and Irvin couldn't play in their prime forever. Just because we believe Jerry has changed and like him as owner/GM doesn't mean we believe he was always right. I, still to this day, get sick thinking over the possible lost SB's because of his fighting with Jimmy. But, Jerry has learned over the years what he's good at and what he's not.The past is past. All that matters is what Jerry does in the present because that's what affects our future.

no, all that matters is what he chooses to do with those 1st round picks

 

[Bach]

You are the one that said when Jimmy and Parcells was here he was just a figurehead doing the rubberstamping

We arent only talking about their draft we are talking about GM duties which include trades signing players etc. Was Jimmy making big trades while at the U?

During BP's tenure here, I'm primarily talking about the draft. Jerry was involved quite a bit in FA.

And how many players did Jerry evaluate when he was making billions at his oil business?

I got a better idea lets pretend a self made billionaire bought a multi million dollar franchise and turned it over to a college coach while he sat by and rubber stamped everything he was told to do

He said so himself, except for "one or two occasions." No pretending to it. Funny how you can't even believe his own words.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

no, all that matters is what he chooses to do with those 1st round picks

I couldn't come right out and say it, but that's what I was getting at.

 

[Rampage]

and you are overestimating Jimmys business knowledge when he came to the Cowboys. THAT is why they were a great team who built us a great dynasty because they were both very good at different things

i agree but we should thank jimmy more so than jerry.

 

[Bach]

Bach, would you address my post when you get the chance?

yeah.

 

[BigDFan5]

ummm no you havent you ducked it big time

Here we can make it simple how is Jay Zygmunt better than Jerry?

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[Bach]

One final note for tonight.

BigDfan, I have to think you don't even believe all of what you're saying. It's got to be that you've gone so far in arguing your position that it's gotten to the point of no return.

Vintage, I'll answer your post tomorrow.

 

[BigDFan5]

ummm no you havent you ducked it big time

Here we can make it simple how is Jay Zygmunt better than Jerry?

Still ducking? Dont be a coward answer the post as I have all of yours


How is Jay Zygmunt a better GM than Jerry please enlighten us