George: Drafting Elliott, Smith shows that Garrett getting more control over personnel

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Risen Star said:
So taking a player at the top of the 2nd round who doesn't figure to help you this year is proof that a head coach who needs to win now to keep his job has more personnel control?

I doubt it.
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Yep -- I'd sooner think it's more likely that the one behind that decision would've been Jerry. He's long been a swing for the fences type.
 
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Toruk_Makto said:
I actually could not disagree more.

Giving a head coach control and you end up with a rb at 4.
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Well, there were reports that Dallas had the DB as their #1 player and the RB pick was made by upper management (way upper).
 
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Risen Star said:
So taking a player at the top of the 2nd round who doesn't figure to help you this year is proof that a head coach who needs to win now to keep his job has more personnel control?

I doubt it.
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Yeah, I think these picks kind of mean just the opposite. They aren't picks with Garrett's future in mind, that is for sure. Especially a second rounder that won't play at all most likely.
 
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erod said:
Garrett talked Jerry into rebuilding the offensive line with first-rounders. That is completely not what Jerry Jones does.

Garrett talked Jerry into a youth movement. Jerry doesn't like cutting guys like Gurode, James, Newman, Barber, Brooking, Spears, etc. But he did.

But it's not just Garrett. Stephen Jones has pushed Jerry to let Garrett and McClay build an approach to stick to. It's working.

Garrett didn't want Randy Gregory according to Cowboys reporters. He didn't want Greg Hardy either. Not sure on his feelings on Ro McClain. (Garrett has no patience for these types of players, whereas Jerry has an affinity for them because he has so much in common with them.)

Garrett isn't making all the decisions, but he has a major influence, which is more than what Wade Phillips had, or any other coach that would have come in here.

That is why Garrett should coach this team. Because nobody else would be given any say at all in personnel if a stadium doesn't need funding.
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I'm sure Garrett does not like those kind of players, players who need to be motivated, nurtured AND disciplined. Garrett prefers self starters with built in work ethic, these are the kind of blue collar players he relates to best. Garrett, unlike both Jimmy and Jerry, does not relate well to minorities with strong urban or simply nontraditional upbringings. But there are no teams, NONE, that have an all RKG roster. You need the hungry, angry and chaotic player as much as you need the do the right thing kind of players. The common denominator is talent plus the will to win.

Need both types, would argue ALL types, to build championship teams. Garrett needs to LEARN how to relate and more importantly MOTIVATE these type of players to take the next step.
 
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Risen Star said:
So taking a player at the top of the 2nd round who doesn't figure to help you this year is proof that a head coach who needs to win now to keep his job has more personnel control?

I doubt it.
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Totally agree, you see all the moves the Giants made this off season? That's because the GM is on the hot seat and he's in a win now mode.
 
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Risen Star said:
So taking a player at the top of the 2nd round who doesn't figure to help you this year is proof that a head coach who needs to win now to keep his job has more personnel control?

I doubt it.
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Im think it shows that JJones is all in on Red and that's obvious.
 
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PAINFROMUKRAINE said:
Please explain why Garrett wanted Floyd on Draft Day and did not get his way. He did not want to wait for FBeard. So he did not talk Jerry into passing on Floyd to rebuild the OL. This is reality. Garrett was surprised that we were not picking Floyd. He even stopped playing footsies with Charlotte during this period of time.
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prove your point I haven't read that
 
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Risen Star said:
Correct about what? That no head coach has more job security than Jason Garrett ?

That's fan nonsense.
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I dont believe your seeing that relationship correctly. But thats not so big a deal.
Red will finish his contract regardless of the contribution from the #2 pick.
He is certainly that safe.
 
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I'm sure Garrett does not like those kind of players, players who need to be motivated, nurtured AND disciplined. Garrett prefers self starters with built in work ethic, these are the kind of blue collar players he relates to best. Garrett, unlike both Jimmy and Jerry, does not relate well to minorities with strong urban or simply nontraditional upbringings. But there are no teams, NONE, that have an all RKG roster. You need the hungry, angry and chaotic player as much as you need the do the right thing kind of players. The common denominator is talent plus the will to win.

Need both types, would argue ALL types, to build championship teams. Garrett needs to LEARN how to relate and more importantly MOTIVATE these type of players to take the next step.
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True, and I don't think Garrett is opposed to having edgy players. HOWEVER, he doesn't want them to be critical, highly-paid, relied-upon stars of the team. He is very close to Michael Irvin, so he can relate to different kinds of people, but he doesn't want guys that have to be motivated to even play football or show up for meetings.

Hardy isn't just a guy from a "nontraditional upbringing." He's mentally deranged. Gregory is just a guy who doesn't give a rip about football and has mental issues of another kind. Ro McClain would not be here if he had his druthers. Dez is very challenging, but he's worth the effort because he absolutely loves to work and play hard, so Garrett very willingly tolerates the antics otherwise.

Garrett loved Murray because he didn't have to coddle him to play hard, and he's a RKG. Same with Elliott or Crawford or Carr or Church, etc.
 
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AKATheRake said:
You do have valid points and it's not that I have no empathy towards what could be affecting his life.

But the fact is, those incidents have typically come around the same time of year for the Raiders, Ravens and us. The fact is these personal issues/incidents have become distractions for McClain, as they would most, in the past at the time of year where the other players are trying to start getting whatever edge they can.

So that's where I am saying he just isn't focusing. Whether he makes it that way himself or his circumstances do. It is what it is. Mandatory or not, the competition/other players are training and getting an edge being at practices where he is not. He should be entering his prime as of now and talent wise, was drafted as a blue chip prospect 8th overall at LB.

Goes to show how much talent he has because if he's this good practicing as is, imagine if he was able to get 100% in training to refine himself like the other players?

That's the point.
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I do see your point and I understand what you are saying. Honestly I agree with what you said about him being as good as he is now compared to what he would be IF he was here training. But once again all we know is he isn't at Valley Ranch, we don't know if he is training or not. Let's hope he is.
 
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