George: Drafting Elliott, Smith shows that Garrett getting more control over personnel

[Risen Star]

What do you mean by "you guys"?

against which teams? All of them?

I'm saying the Cowboys still do a poor job of talent acquisition. Their drafts have been top heavy with a bunch of slop in the 3rd - 7th rounds.

 

[waving monkey]

Not really concerned about your views Risen Star
your post are good though myopic

 

[Idgit]

What do you mean by "you guys"?

against which teams? All of them?

This debate never includes how other teams draft, too. And it always has to stop short of college free agency as if those players weren't acquired via the same evaluation process, or else it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

The reality is, we've done a better job than most teams by a long shot at the top of the draft. We've filled holes via VFA, and then done a good job in college free agency. Where we've fallen down is in the back rounds of the draft where the really good drafting teams excel. That's the difference between the Cowboys and the contenders right now. That also happens to be the hardest place to find good talent because you only get 3-4 picks, and the best talent is off the board.

CFA works for us because we've got cache, a history of playing those players, and because we can throw a bunch of guys at the wall and only have to hope that a few of them stick.

 

[Risen Star]

Not really concerned about your views Risen Star
your post are good though myopic

Yes, it's you that speaks truth.

Tell us about what really goes on at Valley Ranch. Enlighten us. Please. I need a good laugh.

 

[waving monkey]

Yes, it's you that speaks truth.

Tell us about what really goes on at Valley Ranch. Enlighten us. Please. I need a good laugh.

I never said I know that's your thing
however this vitriol is useless I like your post mostly

 

[DC Cowboy]

I know he has "family issues" every year ........ either legal things or burning his house down.



He does this every year ........ and he does not "ball" on every game ........ he misses lots of time because he is not prepared to play football ...... every year.

When will you people stop making excuses for him?

Not jumping to assumptions is VERY different than making an excuse. All I am saying is we DON'T know what is going on.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This debate never includes how other teams draft, too. And it always has to stop short of college free agency as if those players weren't acquired via the same evaluation process, or else it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

The reality is, we've done a better job than most teams by a long shot at the top of the draft. We've filled holes via VFA, and then done a good job in college free agency. Where we've fallen down is in the back rounds of the draft where the really good drafting teams excel. That's the difference between the Cowboys and the contenders right now. That also happens to be the hardest place to find good talent because you only get 3-4 picks, and the best talent is off the board.

CFA works for us because we've got cache, a history of playing those players, and because we can throw a bunch of guys at the wall and only have to hope that a few of them stick.

This has been discussed ad nauseum. And yes I am tired of mispelling "ad nauseum".

It was broken down very well in that one peace. The Cowboys have been great in the first round over the last 5 years or so. But from the 2nd round on they are below average. You simply cant build a championship team that way.

If they hadnt stumbled on Romo where would they even be today? Scary thought.

Its not like they are world breakers in FA either. The ONLY place where I would say they excel is undrafted FA's.

 

[dogunwo]

Let's ignore the fact that Ramsey was higher on he board, but the decision was actually made by Jerry to go with Zeke.

http://www.nj.com/sports/nfldraft/index.ssf/2016/04/2016_nfl_draft_rumors_does_dal.html

I can't read that story at work. Are there any quotes from a personnel guy with the Cowboys to substantiate this statement?

 

[zrinkill]

Let's ignore the fact that Ramsey was higher on he board, but the decision was actually made by Jerry to go with Zeke.

I will ignore it since its not true.

 

[zrinkill]

If they hadnt stumbled on Romo where would they even be today? Scary thought.

The team would have gotten a lot higher draft pics if Romo had not kept us competitive ........ we would have used one of those very high draft pics on a QB

 

[Risen Star]

I never said I know that's your thing
however this vitriol is useless I like your post mostly

I go by job titles, the words of the owner/GM and like, the reality of the last 20 years.

What do you go by?

 

[Risen Star]

This has been discussed ad nauseum. And yes I am tired of mispelling "ad nauseum".

It was broken down very well in that one peace. The Cowboys have been great in the first round over the last 5 years or so. But from the 2nd round on they are below average. You simply cant build a championship team that way.

If they hadnt stumbled on Romo where would they even be today? Scary thought.

Its not like they are world breakers in FA either. The ONLY place where I would say they excel is undrafted FA's.

Exactly right. Below average as in among the worst in the league. Even with the legendary Will McClay and the great Stephen Jones holding Jerry in a half nelson.

That's why its so comical to read this notion of thank God our draft woes are a thing of the past. We haven't had a quality draft class since 2005.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Exactly right. Below average as in among the worst in the league. Even with the legendary Will McClay and the great Stephen Jones holding Jerry in a half nelson.

That's why its so comical to read this notion of thank God our draft woes are a thing of the past. We haven't had a quality draft class since 2005.

Yep and Elliott will be another pro bowler after this year.

4 pro bowlers in the run game and zero pro bowlers on defense.

 

[speedkilz88]

Yep and Elliott will be another pro bowler after this year.

4 pro bowlers in the run game and zero pro bowlers on defense.

 

[khiladi]

Ramsey was higher on the board for Dallas per reports:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000656948/article/dallas-cowboys-select-ezekiel-elliott-no-4

After stories claim that Jones wanted Elliot from the beginning.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/01/nfl-draft-dallas-cowboys-war-room-jerry-jones-peter-king

Rumors could have been put out there for Ramsey, so Dallas could trade with the Ravens the 6 and work to get Lynch off the trade.

In either case, Jerry basically takes credit for the trade, while getting input from everybody.

The way this latter article is written is that the decision was made basically n the final day or so. Jerry also says he likes taking risks and that this draft was a little different, not sure what he means, other than maybe going against their BPA tradition. If that's the case then it may be confirming what Ian said minutes before the selection.

 

[Floatyworm]

His job is safe, no matter how this year turns out.

I seriously doubt that.....If he bombs w/ less than 8 wins...then 2014 was the fluke.

And by the way...I've been getting the feeling he has less control than he ever has....Wil McClay sure seems to be a pushing an agenda now days....that we won't be naming for sake of staying unbanned.

 

[Section446]

I seriously doubt that.....If he bombs w/ less than 8 wins...then 2014 was the fluke.

And by the way...I've been getting the feeling he has less control than he ever has....Wil McClay sure seems to be a pushing an agenda now days....that we won't be naming for sake of staying unbanned.

I honestly don't think he has anything to worry about, right or wrong, Jerry has hitched his wagon to Garrett long-term. I get the opposite feeling, I think that this draft has Garrett written all over it.