George: Drafting Elliott, Smith shows that Garrett getting more control over personnel

[zrinkill]

Do any of you KNOW what his family situation is/was?

I know he has "family issues" every year ........ either legal things or burning his house down.

If he has an injury or misses part of TC then I can see that as an issue.

But, as long as he balls on Sundays then I am ok with it as a fan.

He does this every year ........ and he does not "ball" on every game ........ he misses lots of time because he is not prepared to play football ...... every year.

When will you people stop making excuses for him?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Correct about what? That no head coach has more job security than Jason Garrett ?

That's fan nonsense.

Z JoeFan says .500 keeps Garret, the anti-fanatic spurtz how the Cowboys will not even achieve mediocrity with a healthy lineup, which is the only way Garrett has a remote chance of being relieved of his Janitorial duties.

 

[BAT]

True, and I don't think Garrett is opposed to having edgy players. HOWEVER, he doesn't want them to be critical, highly-paid, relied-upon stars of the team. He is very close to Michael Irvin, so he can relate to different kinds of people, but he doesn't want guys that have to be motivated to even play football or show up for meetings.

Hardy isn't just a guy from a "nontraditional upbringing." He's mentally deranged. Gregory is just a guy who doesn't give a rip about football and has mental issues of another kind. Ro McClain would not be here if he had his druthers. Dez is very challenging, but he's worth the effort because he absolutely loves to work and play hard, so Garrett very willingly tolerates the antics otherwise.

Garrett loved Murray because he didn't have to coddle him to play hard, and he's a RKG. Same with Elliott or Crawford or Carr or Church, etc.

Coaching requires more than X's and O's, the best coaches are psychology experts because you are dealing with real people here, not just philosophies or strategies. Garrett lacks this ability, he prefers self starters. And Haley was just as deranged as Hardy, I would say even moreso. There is no way Garrett could have handled Haley if Hardy is too difficult for him. And players like Haley were integral for the Cowboys to win the SB. And Hardy is not a slacker when at practice and especially on the field. He, like Haley, is emotional, fiery and can be out of control. As the HC, Garrett has to set the parameters and the appropriate consequences. The late to meetings stuff occurs when players feel that they can get away with it. Jimmy didn't let them get away with it, Garrett does. Garrett may prefer the Ro is not a Cowboy but he tolerates his antics, even enables it to a large extent.

It's easy to motivate RKGs, motivating the uber talented but undisciplined takes a special kind of coach. Those are the coaches that win championships.

 

[erod]

Coaching requires more than X's and O's, the best coaches are psychology experts because you are dealing with real people here, not just philosophies or strategies. Garrett lacks this ability, he prefers self starters. And Haley was just as deranged as Hardy, I would say even moreso. There is no way Garrett could have handled Haley if Hardy is too difficult for him. And players like Haley were integral for the Cowboys to win the SB. And Hardy is not a slacker when at practice and especially on the field. He, like Haley, is emotional, fiery and can be out of control. As the HC, Garrett has to set the parameters and the appropriate consequences. The late to meetings stuff occurs when players feel that they can get away with it. Jimmy didn't let them get away with it, Garrett does. Garrett may prefer the Ro is not a Cowboy but he tolerates his antics, even enables it to a large extent.

It's easy to motivate RKGs, motivating the uber talented but undisciplined takes a special kind of coach. Those are the coaches that win championships.

So Gary Kubiak and Ron Riveira are master coaching psychologists? Mike McCarthy is a brilliant manager of people?

Please.

Garrett tolerates it because Jerry doesn't give him the choice. Hardy, Gregory, and Ro are Jerry's boys. Birds of a feather.

 

[Reality]

So Gary Kubiak and Ron Riveira are master coaching psychologists? Mike McCarthy is a brilliant manager of people?

Please.

Garrett tolerates it because Jerry doesn't give him the choice. Hardy, Gregory, and Ro are Jerry's boys. Birds of a feather.

I believe Garrett has a lot more control on personnel than fans and the media like to give him credit for. That said, I agree with you about Garrett feeling pressured to take on Jerry's guys and who wouldn't in his position. You have a coach who has not established himself as a proven successful coach (at least not at this point) so if he fights against bringing in guys Jerry is pushing, it would likely irritate Jerry and increase the pressure on Garrett to have success with his guys. By accepting Jerry's guys, it creates more of a "front office team" atmosphere making it harder for Jerry to fully blame Garrett should things not work out, especially if one or more of Jerry's guys fail to produce or live up to expectations.

 

[BAT]

So Gary Kubiak and Ron Riveira are master coaching psychologists? Mike McCarthy is a brilliant manager of people?

Please.

Garrett tolerates it because Jerry doesn't give him the choice. Hardy, Gregory, and Ro are Jerry's boys. Birds of a feather.

Rivera is very good with people, he is more than just an X's and O's guy. And Kubiak was not the reason that the Bronco's were so dominant. Give that credit to Wade Phillips. Wade has always been known to be a player's coach who knows how to coax the best out of his personnel. Even Landry figured out that people were important, even the divisive ones. It was not until Landry started relying on talented players who were difficult to control that he started actually WINNING superbowls. Landry could not tolerate the cogs that spoke to loudly or acted out of sync, he got rid of these kind of players early on. But he finally learned to accept and adapt to talents like Staubach, Dorsett, the Sphinx, Hollywood, Too Mean, etc. that allowed him to take the team to the next level.

And it's not about tolerating these kind of players, it's about finding ways to make them successful and therefore make the team successful. Tolerating something is passive, which is in line with Garrett's coaching philosophy and record. To be great you need to integrate, to MOTIVATE, not tolerate. Tolerate does nothing but maintain the status quo, at best.

 

[Jerryrage]

What do voluntary mean.

 

[Alexander]

I believe Garrett has a lot more control on personnel than fans and the media like to give him credit for. That said, I agree with you about Garrett feeling pressured to take on Jerry's guys and who wouldn't in his position. You have a coach who has not established himself as a proven successful coach (at least not at this point) so if he fights against bringing in guys Jerry is pushing, it would likely irritate Jerry and increase the pressure on Garrett to have success with his guys. By accepting Jerry's guys, it creates more of a "front office team" atmosphere making it harder for Jerry to fully blame Garrett should things not work out, especially if one or more of Jerry's guys fail to produce or live up to expectations.

All it shows is that Garrett has a method of working with an owner like Jerry Jones, not complete control.

In a way, if he could overcome his own personal handicaps, he could be one of the few who could become successful in the environment.

 

[AsthmaField]

When will you people stop making excuses for him?

When he's no longer a Cowboys.

Wait... did I say that out loud?

 

[AsthmaField]

Landry could not tolerate the cogs that spoke to loudly or acted out of sync, he got rid of these kind of players early on. But he finally learned to accept and adapt to talents like Staubach, Dorsett, the Sphinx, Hollywood, Too Mean, etc. that allowed him to take the team to the next level.

I don't necessarily disagree with you but.. Staubach was a difficult to deal with player? IMO, he's pretty much the poster boy for RKG's.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't necessarily disagree with you but.. Staubach was a difficult to deal with player? IMO, he's pretty much the poster boy for RKG's.

Everything I've heard about Staubach says he was a real 3rd rate human being.

But that's hearsay.

 

[BAT]

I don't necessarily disagree with you but.. Staubach was a difficult to deal with player? IMO, he's pretty much the poster boy for RKG's.

Yes, his personality and work ethic is the paragon of RKG. But Captain America also liked to ad lib, much to Landry's chagrin. Staubach would have kept playing if Landry let him call some of his own plays. Landry said no.

 

[Risen Star]

Why do people have to concoct theories about what's really happening in the front office and our war room? It's as clear as the job titles. Jason Garrett isn't a personnel decision maker. Hold on to your hat here but neither is Will McClay.

There's nothing secretive going on. The man in charge is the one who will remind you of that every time someone sticks a microphone in front of him. He listens to the room and makes the call. And the only people in the room with real job security are him and his son. They simply need to stay alive to keep their gigs. If the results don't follow, the underlings will be shuffled and we'll try the same thing once again.

This is how your Dallas Cowboys operate and any alteration of this is fantasy from a fan who can't bear to face our true reality.

 

[waving monkey]

Coaching requires more than X's and O's, the best coaches are psychology experts because you are dealing with real people here, not just philosophies or strategies. Garrett lacks this ability, he prefers self starters. And Haley was just as deranged as Hardy, I would say even moreso. There is no way Garrett could have handled Haley if Hardy is too difficult for him. And players like Haley were integral for the Cowboys to win the SB. And Hardy is not a slacker when at practice and especially on the field. He, like Haley, is emotional, fiery and can be out of control. As the HC, Garrett has to set the parameters and the appropriate consequences. The late to meetings stuff occurs when players feel that they can get away with it. Jimmy didn't let them get away with it, Garrett does. Garrett may prefer the Ro is not a Cowboy but he tolerates his antics, even enables it to a large extent.

It's easy to motivate RKGs, motivating the uber talented but undisciplined takes a special kind of coach. Those are the coaches that win championships.

I disagree Red understands and motivates very well
team plays super hard for him

 

[waving monkey]

Why do people have to concoct theories about what's really happening in the front office and our war room? It's as clear as the job titles. Jason Garrett isn't a personnel decision maker. Hold on to your hat here but neither is Will McClay.

There's nothing secretive going on. The man in charge is the one who will remind you of that every time someone sticks a microphone in front of him. He listens to the room and makes the call. And the only people in the room with real job security are him and his son. They simply need to stay alive to keep their gigs. If the results don't follow, the underlings will be shuffled and we'll try the same thing once again.

This is how your Dallas Cowboys operate and any alteration of this is fantasy from a fan who can't bear to face our true reality.

Sorry not true

 

[Risen Star]

Sorry not true

 

[cowboyblue22]

garrett is no more in charge than he ever was the reason Elliot was taken is he is a really good player and will excite the fan base so jerry can sell more tickets and keep the press talking about the cowboys and that's what jerry craves and wants.

 

[AsthmaField]

Why do people have to concoct theories about what's really happening in the front office and our war room? It's as clear as the job titles. Jason Garrett isn't a personnel decision maker. Hold on to your hat here but neither is Will McClay.

There's nothing secretive going on. The man in charge is the one who will remind you of that every time someone sticks a microphone in front of him. He listens to the room and makes the call. And the only people in the room with real job security are him and his son. They simply need to stay alive to keep their gigs. If the results don't follow, the underlings will be shuffled and we'll try the same thing once again.

This is how your Dallas Cowboys operate and any alteration of this is fantasy from a fan who can't bear to face our true reality.

Yes, but the influence that Stephen, Jason, and McClay have on Jerry is much greater than anyone we've seen other than Jimmy and Parcells. He has always pulled the trigger but now he heavily weighs the big three's input and his son has flat out kept Jerry from doing what he wanted when Jason and Will are siding with the younger Jones.

The results since about 2010 are much improved over the dark ages (1995-2009). Jerry's impulses, while not completely stifled, are kept in check way, way more than they ever were before. Just look at the free agency standard operating procedure in Dallas since Stephen has put his fingerprints on it. Jerry is definitely not the "Free agency is over rated" type of guy.

Whatever they've been doing... I'm grateful for it.

 

[Risen Star]

Yes, but the influence that Stephen, Jason, and McClay have on Jerry is much greater than anyone we've seen other than Jimmy and Parcells. He has always pulled the trigger but now he heavily weighs the big three's input and his son has flat out kept Jerry from doing what he wanted when Jason and Will are siding with the younger Jones.

The results since about 2010 are much improved over the dark ages (1995-2009). Jerry's impulses, while not completely stifled, are kept in check way, way more than they ever were before. Just look at the free agency standard operating procedure in Dallas since Stephen has put his fingerprints on it. Jerry is definitely not the "Free agency is over rated" type of guy.

Whatever they've been doing... I'm grateful for it.

I love this fantasy land you guys live in where we've become this great drafting team in recent years.

Really? Check the record.

 

[AsthmaField]

I love this fantasy land you guys live in where we've become this great drafting team in recent years.

Really? Check the record.

What do you mean by "you guys"?

against which teams? All of them?