George Zimmerman charged with 2nd degree murder of Trayvon Martin **Read Post #142**

[casmith07]

Unless there is evidence that we don't know about and people are speculating that based on what we do know that they will have a hard time proving that Zimmerman did 2nd degree murder.

Things like whether or not they can prove that it was Zimmerman or not Zimmerman screaming on the tape and that it was Trayvon screaming for help. And if they can tell at what distance and angle that Trayvon was shot could be the difference if Zimmerman is convicted.

We don't know about the Autopsy results on Trayvon's body. Also does Zimmerman have medical records to prove that his injuries are as serious as he said because they were not serious enough to go to the hospital.

I don't think that it should be allowed to shot someone in a fist fight and say that you feared for your life if the injuries do not show that.

The law agrees.

Also, there was a timeline on television while I was watching CNN yesterday, basically breaking down the phone calls Martin made to his girlfriend, 911 calls, to the shooting, to the police arriving and taking Zimmerman in.

All of that time, plus the arrival at the police station, etc. leaves a time of about 4 to 5 minutes where Zimmerman would've received medical treatment from paramedics on the scene. If he had a busted nose and a gash on the back of his head gushing blood...you'd need more than 5 minutes to stop all of the bleeding.

He probably would have also had blood on his shirt.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

The law agrees.

Also, there was a timeline on television while I was watching CNN yesterday, basically breaking down the phone calls Martin made to his girlfriend, 911 calls, to the shooting, to the police arriving and taking Zimmerman in.

All of that time, plus the arrival at the police station, etc. leaves a time of about 4 to 5 minutes where Zimmerman would've received medical treatment from paramedics on the scene. If he had a busted nose and a gash on the back of his head gushing blood...you'd need more than 5 minutes to stop all of the bleeding.

He probably would have also had blood on his shirt.

the police video shows he had cuts on the back of his head.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/nation...-shows-marks-injuries-on-back-zimmermans-head

 

[Hoofbite]

Yeah, we still need to see the evidence, which none of us has seen. Though he did have cuts on the back of his head.

As for the screams, if there are other injuries on Martin's body that is a big problem for Zimmerman. Further, what kind of screams were they? If it was Zimmerman, he would be yelling because he was getting beat on. If it was Martin, it could have been that he was getting beat on. But I don't know what the screams could have been if there are no other marks on Martin. It will be interesting to see if the screams were before the shot or after. Did Martin die instantly or did he survive for a time. Did Martin have bruises on his knuckles from hitting Zimmerman. And did Zimmerman have the same kind of bruises.

All of this stuff needs to be fleshed out and I am sure it will be.

What do you mean?

The screams were before the shot.

Lasted for an extended period and then stopped immediately once the shot was fired.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

What do you mean?

The screams were before the shot.

Lasted for an extended period and them stopped immediately once the shot was fires.

I know that. I'm just saying that is all evidence that needs to be entered by the prosecution.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

The law agrees.

Also, there was a timeline on television while I was watching CNN yesterday, basically breaking down the phone calls Martin made to his girlfriend, 911 calls, to the shooting, to the police arriving and taking Zimmerman in.

All of that time, plus the arrival at the police station, etc. leaves a time of about 4 to 5 minutes where Zimmerman would've received medical treatment from paramedics on the scene. If he had a busted nose and a gash on the back of his head gushing blood...you'd need more than 5 minutes to stop all of the bleeding.

He probably would have also had blood on his shirt.

There's also blood spatter or what should be from Trayvon if he really was shot in such a close range and there should be some on Zimmerman.

This is explained away by some saying that it was raining or that Zimmerman had his jacket zipped up and that his coat is red and we can't see any blood in the video.

 

[JonJon]

Unless there is evidence that we don't know about and people are speculating that based on what we do know that they will have a hard time proving that Zimmerman did 2nd degree murder.

Things like whether or not they can prove that it was Zimmerman or not Zimmerman screaming on the tape and that it was Trayvon screaming for help. And if they can tell at what distance and angle that Trayvon was shot could be the difference if Zimmerman is convicted.

We don't know about the Autopsy results on Trayvon's body. Also does Zimmerman have medical records to prove that his injuries are as serious as he said because they were not serious enough to go to the hospital.

I don't think that it should be allowed to shot someone in a fist fight and say that you feared for your life if the injuries do not show that.

I quietly wondered since news first broke of this and details started coming out about where the two were positioned when the shooting took place. If Martin was standing over Zimmerman banging his head into the ground like some indicated, and Zimmerman shot him while Martin was on top, you'd think that Zimmerman would have had some blood to fall or splatter onto his shirt. But from the accounts of the witnesses moments after the shooting, Zimmerman had Martin pinned downed with his legs and was seen standing over him after the shot was fired. It will be interesting to see what forensics finds in this investigation.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Yeah, we still need to see the evidence, which none of us has seen. Though he did have cuts on the back of his head.

As for the screams, if there are other injuries on Martin's body that is a big problem for Zimmerman. Further, what kind of screams were they? If it was Zimmerman, he would be yelling because he was getting beat on. If it was Martin, it could have been that he was getting beat on. But I don't know what the screams could have been if there are no other marks on Martin. It will be interesting to see if the screams were before the shot or after. Did Martin die instantly or did he survive for a time. Did Martin have bruises on his knuckles from hitting Zimmerman. And did Zimmerman have the same kind of bruises.

All of this stuff needs to be fleshed out and I am sure it will be.

If you heard the tape than to me it sounds like someone screaming in fear for their life and is begging for help. To me I think it was Trayvon screaming I could be wrong.

There were two experts that said that it wasn't Zimmerman screaming but they didn't have Trayvon's voice to compare and I don't know if voice experts could be used in the court to say that they don't think that it was Zimmerman screaming.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

There's also blood spatter or what should be from Trayvon if he really was shot in such a close range and there should be some on Zimmerman.

This is explained away by some saying that it was raining or that Zimmerman had his jacket zipped up and that his coat is red and we can't see any blood in the video.

That really depends on the caliber of the gun, the clothes Martin was wearing and where he was shot, trajectory of the and other factors. Again, they need to flesh all of this out before they can answer any of the larger questions.

 

[5Stars]

That really depends on the caliber of the gun, the clothes Martin was wearing and where he was shot, trajectory of the and other factors. Again, they need to flesh all of this out before they can answer any of the larger questions.

Zimmerman should have never left his car. He was told not to by the dispatcher. Error #1...this whole thing would have been avoided.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Zimmerman should have never left his car. He was told not to by the dispatcher. Error #1...this whole thing would have been avoided.

And?

Do you know what happened between the two when they made contact? Martin approached his car while he was still in it. So it seems like Martin made the first move in Zimmerman's direction.

 

[5Stars]

And?

Do you know what happened between the two when they made contact? Martin approached his car while he was still in it. So it seems like Martin made the first move in Zimmerman's direction.

Your reaching, my friend. If I was told to stay in my car, and the perp started to approach me, guess what? I drive away. It's not that hard to grasp.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Your reaching, my friend. If I was told to stay in my car, and the perp started to approach me, guess what? I drive away. It's not that hard to grasp.

Except that's not what happened. I'm not reaching for anything. If this guy killed Martin and it wasn't self defense, then he needs to pay the price. I am just trying to make sure that ALL the evidence is out before the guy is convicted.

It's all moot anyway since Martin and Zimmerman's lives are both over. Two lives went down that night.

 

[5Stars]

Except that's not what happened. I'm not reaching for anything. If this guy killed Martin and it wasn't self defense, then he needs to pay the price. I am just trying to make sure that ALL the evidence is out before the guy is convicted.

It's all moot anyway since Martin and Zimmerman's lives are both over. Two lives went down that night.

And it did not have to happen...stay in the car and drive away, wait for the police. That is what a sensible person should/would do.

Oh, well, no skin off my back...

 

[casmith07]

If you heard the tape than to me it sounds like someone screaming in fear for their life and is begging for help. To me I think it was Trayvon screaming I could be wrong.

There were two experts that said that it wasn't Zimmerman screaming but they didn't have Trayvon's voice to compare and I don't know if voice experts could be used in the court to say that they don't think that it was Zimmerman screaming.

The prosecution will likely rely on friends/family of Trayvon to attempt to prove that it's his voice, as well as ear/eyewitnesses in the neighborhood.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

And it did not have to happen...stay in the car and drive away, wait for the police. That is what a sensible person should/would do.

Oh, well, no skin off my back...

No question that bad decisions were made that night.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Except that's not what happened. I'm not reaching for anything. If this guy killed Martin and it wasn't self defense, then he needs to pay the price. I am just trying to make sure that ALL the evidence is out before the guy is convicted.

It's all moot anyway since Martin and Zimmerman's lives are both over. Two lives went down that night.

Well, I'm sure all the evidence will be out at some point since the case is now officially in the legal system.

But since I'm not in Florida, why should I wait before having an opinion about the basics of what occurred. Because while you and others are telling people to wait for all the facts to come out, you're also presenting alternative theories and speculating about what actually occurred, in the process not waiting for all the evidence to come out.

It's the nature of the beast for people to assume, conclude, and have opinions. But having a discussion about what occurred doesn't mean people AREN'T for more info to come out so they can know exactly what happened in this situation.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Well, I'm sure all the evidence will be out at some point since the case is now officially in the legal system.

But since I'm not in Florida, why should I wait before having an opinion about the basics of what occurred. Because while you and others are telling people to wait for all the facts to come out, you're also presenting alternative theories and speculating about what actually occurred, in the process not waiting for all the evidence to come out.

It's the nature of the beast for people to assume, conclude, and have opinions. However, but having a discussion about what occurred doesn't mean people AREN'T for more info to come out so they can know exactly what happened in this situation.

Really? I don't have an opinion on what happened. I think most reasonable wait until they KNOW what happened as opposed to jumping to conclusions with what the media tells them. So, in putting forth other possible scenarios doesn't indicate that is what I think happened, but what could have happened. Therefore, concluding that until that evidence is made public, developing an opinion, is just what certain people in the spotlight wanted to have happen.

That makes no logical sense whatsoever to have an opinion on the events.

 

[casmith07]

Really? I don't have an opinion on what happened.

Sure about that?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Sure about that?

Positive.

I do have an opinion on those trying to make their stay in the spotlight linger due to this tragedy.

 

[casmith07]

Positive.

I do have an opinion on those trying to make their stay in the spotlight linger due to this tragedy.

OK, just checking.