Georges St. Pierre vs. BJ Penn II

[Rampage]

Rampage, you're looking foolish here. Quit while you're not considered a complete *******.

Alves will maul GSP? lol.

you act like gsp is Fedor and Alves has no chance. you sound foolish

 

[neosapien23]

I can't believe people still take that Serra fight and act like he has a horrid chin. If one fight makes someone have a horrid chin, I guess Nog has a glass chin as well after Mir knocked him down time after time. You are losing the meaning to 'glass jaw'.

Have you watched Anderson's takedown defense in the past? It is absolutely horrid and the one overwhelming glaring weakness in his game. If the fight stays standing, then yes, Anderson has an overwhelming advantage with his superior striking and Muay Thai. However, why in the heck would a completely superior wrestler like GSP keep it standing?

GSP's top control is second to none. The only person who likely compares in terms of relentless GnP and ability to pass is Fedor. And after the performance GSP put on tonight, he may have even surpassed Fedor with his top game.

GSP would have Anderson fighting off his back the entire fight. Unless Anderson can catch a surprising submission against another BJJ black belt in GSP, he isn't winning that fight.

The Spider is too big for Georges. Penn was physically outmatched by a much bigger fighter, the skill levels were very similar. I don't think Georges will be able to handle Silva who even fought at lightheavy. It would be a very similar fight, but this time Georges would get dominated. Unlike Penn, GSP is smart enough to stay at his best weight class.

 

[neosapien23]

you so funny tonight. gsp beat a smaller man again. Alves and especially Anderson are not smaller guys than him. you're underestimating Andersons ground game. Anderson won't just give up and lay there like bj did or Alves for that matter. BJ has been overrated for a while and got exposed tonight in a weight class above his natural.

I don't think Penn is overrated. He is one of the greates light weight fighters. He is a mediocre welterweight though. That is why MMA has weight classes in the first place. Penn at welter looks soft and flabby. GSP at welter looks tight and strong. I know that sounds homo erotic but I think you get the point. Just like when De La Hoya moved up to middle, he looked terrible against an inferior fighter in Felix Sturm and he should have lost the decision.

 

[BigWillie]

That could very well be the point, but I didn't mean one more punch would have killed him. Pierre took him to the floor easily. He would have taken him down again. Elbows cause alot more head trauma than boxing gloves, even the MMA gloves don't take any of the shock of a hit away. If Pierre would have hit him with another 3 or 4 good solid elbows, he would have gone home with a concussion if he doesn't have one already.

Man, you are being completely over-dramatic.

GSP was not going to kill him with another elbow. At no point did BJ even seem hurt and in fact, BJ has taken more punishment than he did tonight in previous fights. Go back and watch the video of his 2nd fight with Matt Hughes when he is in the crucifix position. Unanswered punches right to the face and BJ never taps or even sustains any major damage.

BJ's head is literally made out of granite. I have never seen the guy get hurt in a fight and I've seen him take more punishment than he did tonight.

GSP just mauled him by controlling him on top pushing his cardio like BJ never thought possible. BJ was gassed in the 2nd round. GSP pushed him for over 2 more rounds and he had nothing left. Same thing happened in the Hughes fight except it happened sooner.

I've seen him quit twice now, but I've never seen him hurt.

BJ quit simply because he was tired and over-matched, not because of him getting his head pounded on.

 

[BigWillie]

The Spider is too big for Georges. Penn was physically outmatched by a much bigger fighter, the skill levels were very similar. I don't think Georges will be able to handle Silva who even fought at lightheavy. It would be a very similar fight, but this time Georges would get dominated. Unlike Penn, GSP is smart enough to stay at his best weight class.

Too big? GSP usually walks at around 190-195. He makes huge cuts to get to 170 which is why he is absolutely ginormous for welterweight.

Tonight you saw about a 15-20lbs weight disadvantage. You saw Penn at his natural walking weight coming into this fight and you saw GSP probably at around 185 once he got the water and food back into his body.

GSP is absolutely massive for 170 and would be the same at 185.

Silva has superior striking to everyone. That much he has put on display with everyone. He also has an underrated ground game, which he put on display against Hendo.

But what he also showed versus Hendo is how easy it is to gain top position versus him.

The thing you saw tonight is pure domination in how to control a BJJ artist. GSP sat inside Penn's guard for quite a while and was never in trouble. BJ has one of the most active and lethal guards in all of MMA and a submission never came close. That is simply incredible.

Now GSP is going to put Anderson on his back for an entire fight and control him from the top? Anderson has a good guard and very underrated I must say, but he doesn't have as active a guard as Penn, nor does he have the credentials as Penn off his back.

As I said, Anderson has no prayer to stop GSP's relentless takedowns. Heck, who does? But GSP's top game would control Anderson throughout an entire fight.

That is granted GSP doesn't get stupid and think he can out strike Anderson.

 

[Rampage]

Too big? GSP usually walks at around 190-195. He makes huge cuts to get to 170 which is why he is absolutely ginormous for welterweight.

Tonight you saw about a 15-20lbs weight disadvantage. You saw Penn at his natural walking weight coming into this fight and you saw GSP probably at around 185 once he got the water and food back into his body.

GSP is absolutely massive for 170 and would be the same at 185.

Silva has superior striking to everyone. That much he has put on display with everyone. He also has an underrated ground game, which he put on display against Hendo.

But what he also showed versus Hendo is how easy it is to gain top position versus him.

The thing you saw tonight is pure domination in how to control a BJJ artist. GSP sat inside Penn's guard for quite a while and was never in trouble. BJ has one of the most active and lethal guards in all of MMA and a submission never came close. That is simply incredible.

Now GSP is going to put Anderson on his back for an entire fight and control him from the top? Anderson has a good guard and very underrated I must say, but he doesn't have as active a guard as Penn, nor does he have the credentials as Penn off his back.

As I said, Anderson has no prayer to stop GSP's relentless takedowns. Heck, who does? But GSP's top game would control Anderson throughout an entire fight.

That is granted GSP doesn't get stupid and think he can out strike Anderson.

Alves and an Anderson Silva flying knee say otherwise

 

[neosapien23]

Too big? GSP usually walks at around 190-195. He makes huge cuts to get to 170 which is why he is absolutely ginormous for welterweight.

Tonight you saw about a 15-20lbs weight disadvantage. You saw Penn at his natural walking weight coming into this fight and you saw GSP probably at around 185 once he got the water and food back into his body.

GSP is absolutely massive for 170 and would be the same at 185.

Silva has superior striking to everyone. That much he has put on display with everyone. He also has an underrated ground game, which he put on display against Hendo.

But what he also showed versus Hendo is how easy it is to gain top position versus him.

The thing you saw tonight is pure domination in how to control a BJJ artist. GSP sat inside Penn's guard for quite a while and was never in trouble. BJ has one of the most active and lethal guards in all of MMA and a submission never came close. That is simply incredible.

Now GSP is going to put Anderson on his back for an entire fight and control him from the top? Anderson has a good guard and very underrated I must say, but he doesn't have as active a guard as Penn, nor does he have the credentials as Penn off his back.

As I said, Anderson has no prayer to stop GSP's relentless takedowns. Heck, who does? But GSP's top game would control Anderson throughout an entire fight.

That is granted GSP doesn't get stupid and think he can out strike Anderson.

I have nothing but respect for GSP and he is a great fighter. And yes he makes massive cuts to make 170 and yes his walking weight is probably 190. Silva also makes massive cuts. Joe Rogan once said his walking weight was somewhere around 230. While that might be a little high, Silva walks around at least at 215 which is much higher than GSP's 190 walking weight. Thats why Dana White wanted him to fight at light heavy.


Oh wait found a quote from Silva himself. He states his walking weight is around 220 to 230.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4841/pound-for-pound-king-anderson-silva-speaks-with-his-strikes.mma

 

[Rampage]

I have nothing but respect for GSP and he is a great fighter. And yes he makes massive cuts to make 170 and yes his walking weight is probably 190. Silva also makes massive cuts. Joe Rogan once said his walking weight was somewhere around 230. While that might be a little high, Silva walks around at least at 215 which is much higher than GSP's 190 walking weight. Thats why Dana White wanted him to fight at light heavy.


Oh wait found a quote from Silva himself. He states his walking weight is around 220 to 230.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4841/pound-for-pound-king-anderson-silva-speaks-with-his-strikes.mma

Silva is the modern day Bruce Lee

 

[CATCH17]

I know nothing about MMA.

 

[BigWillie]

Alves and an Anderson Silva flying knee say otherwise

Flying knee requires distance and I doubt GSP will be shooting from distance on either of those guys. GSP will simply close the distance, press them against the cage and take them down. Kinda hard to do a flying knee like that when it requires so much to do.

But you can wait on that while I get takedown after takedown.

I have nothing but respect for GSP and he is a great fighter. And yes he makes massive cuts to make 170 and yes his walking weight is probably 190. Silva also makes massive cuts. Joe Rogan once said his walking weight was somewhere around 230. While that might be a little high, Silva walks around at least at 215 which is much higher than GSP's 190 walking weight. Thats why Dana White wanted him to fight at light heavy.


Oh wait found a quote from Silva himself. He states his walking weight is around 220 to 230.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4841/pound-for-pound-king-anderson-silva-speaks-with-his-strikes.mma

You are misunderstanding what goes into this. When a fighter cuts weight, the last 10-15lbs is usually water weight. The fighter you are seeing on the scale at weigh-ins is usually a completely dehydrated version of themselves. When you see them hope off the scale and reach for a water bottle full of electrolytes or pedialyte, this is why.

When you say 'walking weight', you mean what they walk around at when they are not training. Alot of these guys you see will get quite lazy on their diets when they are not training which is why you see quite high 'walking weights' for some of these fighters.

For instance, Thiago Alves. He usually walks at around 200lbs or over but fights at 170. However, when fight night rolls around, he will not be that big. He may be able to put 10-15lbs of fluids back in him, but he will not be able to put that much water weight back into himself. That is if he actually hits his weight marks.

Anderson Silva, before he starts training is around 225lbs. However, that is not an in-shape Anderson Silva.

Chuck Liddell has been known to walk around at 240lbs or more. However, he could never do that in a cage.

Joe Riggs had been known to balloon up well above 230lbs since he had a severe eating problem at one time. He was once well over 300lbs before he got into fighting.

Anderson Silva may walk into a cage (if he's at middleweight) at around 200lbs max once he gets his fluids back in himself, but nowhere near his walking weight.

GSP walks around at an in-shape 190-195, which is something you cannot say for 99% of all fighters. His cut is never difficult to suck that water of his muscles before fight night and it is why he can go into a fight so relentlessly.

 

[jterrell]

Various notes.

Really enjoyed the card's final few fights after a lackluster start.

Bones Jones looked good and has a bright future with his combination quickness and wrestling skills.

GSP dominated as I predicted he would. His strength and physical size make him near unbeatable at 170 pounds. At 185 he can be beaten but it certainly won't be easy. GSP has shored up the holes in his game.
Now he defends in the stand up game and works from a better distance to set up his insane take downs.

I want to see Silva fight Alves first then GSP.

I'd really just like to see Silva fight anyone, as good as he is he needs to be tested.

 

[the kid 05]

Silva is the modern day Bruce Lee

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[jterrell]

Silva is the modern day Bruce Lee

That's hilarious.

Silva is a great athlete but also vastly overrated.

Silva has won 23 fights, lost 4 and won only 4 by submission. He is a great stand up guy but stand up guys are the ones that can be beaten.

Bruce Lee never lost a fight. Not a street fight, not an exhibition and not official fights in boxing or martial arts.

Physically there has been no one like Lee who was dedicated entirely to perfecting his body and skill level.

Physical feats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee

Lee's phenomenal fitness meant he was capable of performing many exceptional physical feats.[52][53][54][55] The following list includes some of the physical feats that are documented and supported by reliable sources.

* Lee's striking speed from three feet with his hands down by his side reached five hundredths of a second.[56]
* Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film at 24 frames per second, so many scenes were shot in 32fps to put Lee in slow motion. Normally martial arts films are sped up.[57][58][59]
* In a speed demonstration, Lee could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind.[60]
* Lee would hold an elevated v-sit position for 30 minutes or longer.[54]
* Lee could throw grains of rice up into the air and then catch them in mid-flight using chopsticks.[48]
* Lee performed one-hand push-ups using only the thumb and index finger[55][61][48][55]
* Lee performed 50 reps of one-arm chin-ups.[62]
* Lee could break wooden boards 6 inches (15 cm) thick.[63]
* Lee could cause a 300-lb (136 kg) bag to fly towards and thump the ceiling with a side kick.[55]
* Lee performed a side kick while training with James Coburn and broke a 150-lb (68 kg) punching bag[54][64]
* In a move that has been dubbed "Dragon Flag", Lee could perform leg lifts with only his shoulder blades resting on the edge of a bench and suspend his legs and torso perfectly horizontal midair.[65]