Gibbs steps down *Merge*

[khiladi]

Sorry, that's such a stretch. I have no doubt Snyder will inquire about him. The idea that he is in the DC area to finalize a deal for 2009 is just pure fantasy.

I didn't say he was in DC to finalize a contract for 2009.

I said he was seen at a local university with his daughter, and she was making rounds in that area looking at local universities. That is not like saying tha one has seen Elvis.

The point is, Cowher left to be close to his daughters and he made it clear that he missed a lot of time with them, because he was coaching football and was not around because of that. His taking the Commanders job is an ideal situation in that, Dan Snyder will offer him a butt-load of money, and he can be close to his daughter, if she plans on going to school in the DC area. His daughter wouldn't be in a different state, but right next door. If she is going to be playing sports, he can easily attend the home-games.

As I said, if fortune constitutes getting Cowher to be the head coach, the Commanders are in a pretty good position to land a fortune.

 

[Bach]

I think Cowher wanted to sit out another year. I think Snyder wants Cowher to replace Gibbs and knowing Cowher wanted to sit out one more year is why Snyder tried getting Gibbs to return for the final year of his 5 year deal.

Now that Gibbs is leaving early it kind of throws a monkey wrench into everyone's plans. It wasn't a given on Cowher's part that he would take the Commanders job in '09, but I think that was one of his options, along with possibly the Panther job if it opened up. Now we'll see if Cowher was really wanting the Commanders job all along and/or how important waiting another year is to him.

 

[AbeBeta]

I said he was seen at a local university with his daughter, and she was making rounds in that area looking at local universities. That is not like saying tha one has seen Elvis.

Unless Cowher and his daughter are idiots, her choice of a college to attend would have nothing to do with where Cowher worked.

Cowher would be putting in 70+ hour weeks and his daughter would be in her first year of school -- likely at a top quality university from the sounds of it. She could be going to school next door to the practice facility -- they aren't going to have time for each other.

 

[kmd24]

http://www.law.nyu.edu/JOURNALS/LAWREVIEW/issues/vol82/no3/NYU305.pdf

It is PDF. Page 18 of 43, first item in the notes.

only exception to the Rooney Rule interview requirement is where a team has a pre-existing contractual commitment with a member of its coaching staff to make him head coach and this agreement was on file with the League at the time the contract was entered into.

Is actually a somewhat interesting read, well parts of it.

So, according to you, the Skins will still have to comply with the Rooney rule even if they hire Gregg Williams.

 

[khiladi]

Unless Cowher and his daughter are idiots, her choice of a college to attend would have nothing to do with where Cowher worked.

Cowher would be putting in 70+ hour weeks and his daughter would be in her first year of school -- likely at a top quality university from the sounds of it. She could be going to school next door to the practice facility -- they aren't going to have time for each other.

That is all the more reason he may want to stay close. The little time he has for his family, the more he is going to take advantage of the time he has. Being close means cutting down on travel time. His daughter can come hang with him in the office or come over for a late dinner.

I know plenty of people that work 70 plus hours, and while they may be limited in time, it surely doesn't mean they have no time for a life outside of football, especially when it is outside their neighborhood.

Plus, the football season isn't 100 plus hours a week year around.

 

[AbeBeta]

That is all the more reason he may want to stay close. The little time he has for his family, the more he is going to take advantage of the time he has. Being close means cutting down on travel time. His daughter can come hang with him in the office or come over for a late dinner.

I know plenty of people that work 70 plus hours, and while they may be limited in time, it surely doesn't mean they have no time for a life outside of football, especially when it is outside their neighborhood.

Plus, the football season isn't 100 plus hours a week year around.

Yeah, she wouldn't have class or anything like that. Wouldn't need to study, etc.

That's exactly what college age kids want to do - come home every few days. Right....

 

[Chuck 54]

I actually think the Commanders will be better because of this...Gibbs was over the hill, and before he started getting credit for holding the team together after ST's murder, he was being run out of town by the media and even the John Riggins show...players were opening saying that his indecisiveness on the field wasn't affecting their play because they were used to it and it was just another thing to overcome.

I hate to see him go because I don't think he was very good at all.

 

[khiladi]

Yeah, she wouldn't have class or anything like that. Wouldn't need to study, etc.

That's exactly what college age kids want to do - come home every few days. Right....

When did you last go to college? An average college student's credit level is 15 credits. Your talking about 5 classes max, which amounts to roughly 20-30 hours a week. They party a lot in the week, and college campuses are pretty much dead on the weekends as compared to the whole week. The reason for this is many of these college kids have part-time jobs. Imagine a kid whose father is going to make over 5 million a year to coach the team.

College kids come home all the time on weekends, especially when their parents live within driving distance. The only time they don't is if they are so far away and travelling every week is out of the question. They may even, of wow, study at home, and not have to worry about cooking meals because their parents do that.

 

[AbeBeta]

When did you last go to college? An average college student's credit level is 15 credits. Your talking about 5 classes max, which amounts to roughly 20-30 hours a week. They party a lot in the week, and college campuses are pretty much dead on the weekends as compared to the whole week. The reason for this is many of these college kids have part-time jobs. Imagine a kid whose father is going to make over 5 million a year to coach the team.

College kids come home all the time on weekends, especially when their parents live within driving distance. The only time they don't is if they are so far away and travelling every week is out of the question. They may even, of wow, study at home, and not have to worry about cooking meals because their parents do that.

The rule is 3 hours for EACH credit. 15 units x 3 credits is 45 hours of outside work for the class plus the 15 hours you are in class. Most students -- at least those at residential schools -- do not go home every weekend -- because they will miss out on the parties, etc. I've been attending a university or working at one for over 20 years - I know a good bit about this.

If she's going to GW or GM, the expectations are very high and the workload will be greater.

 

[khiladi]

The rule is 3 hours for EACH credit. 15 units x 3 credits is 45 hours of outside work for the class plus the 15 hours you are in class. Most students -- at least those at residential schools -- do not go home every weekend -- because they will miss out on the parties, etc. I've been attending a university or working at one for over 20 years - I know a good bit about this.

If she's going to GW or GM, the expectations are very high and the workload will be greater.

So there is a fixed 'rule' for studying for classes at college? That maybe an expectation of certain 'academics' but it surely isn't one that reflects reality. The rule is set to create a standard to measure difficulty, but difficulty is a rather subjective term. 4 credit hours of English is less difficult than 2 or 3 credits of Thermodynamics for an engineer. Further, the actual studying done by students varies from indivdual to individual. I can get 2 credits for a basketball class at a university.

But the point is the issue of time, and whether a college student has it. Campuses are pretty much dead on Saturdays. Many students work part-time on the weekend, though they may party in the evening. Those that live close to home, often go home on the weekends where they get their free meals, and they can study away from the distractions.

And I live right around the way of GW and GM, and their expectations, especially GM, are not that high.

 

[Hostile]

I didn't say he was in DC to finalize a contract for 2009.

This is exactly what you are insinuating though. It was on the radio that he is in the area scouting colleges for his daughter. Then you brought up 2009 and an interim coach in 2008.

I repeat he and his daughter did not jump in a vehicle and make this trip on a whim because he wants to interview for the Commanders. He did not know Gibbs was going to retire. Not even Gibbs' Assistants did.

It is a coincidence. Reading into it any more than that is a reach.

I said he was seen at a local university with his daughter, and she was making rounds in that area looking at local universities. That is not like saying tha one has seen Elvis.

Unless you are the caller who saw him you don't even know if he is there or not. It may have been someone else with a big chin. Sgt. Slaughter the wrestler or Jay Leno.

It's an awful big leap from caller to a radio station saw him, to perhaps an interim coach in 2008 then he takes over in 2009 just because he may or may not be in town.

The point is, Cowher left to be close to his daughters and he made it clear that he missed a lot of time with them, because he was coaching football and was not around because of that. His taking the Commanders job is an ideal situation in that, Dan Snyder will offer him a butt-load of money, and he can be close to his daughter, if she plans on going to school in the DC area. His daughter wouldn't be in a different state, but right next door. If she is going to be playing sports, he can easily attend the home-games.

No, he left to be close to his wife and youngest daughter. He actually moved farther away from the oldest 2 daughters. Unless you think Princeton is in North Carolina. You must think he loves this daughter more than the other two if he has plans this intricate.

As I said, if fortune constitutes getting Cowher to be the head coach, the Commanders are in a pretty good position to land a fortune.

I remain unconvinced. Not only isn't there a fire, there's not even smoke. But hey we all know George Mason University students have more insight than all the major news organizations put together. They must since none of the former are reporting this.

 

[AbeBeta]

So there is a fixed 'rule' for studying for classes at college? That maybe an expectation of certain 'academics' but it surely isn't one that reflects reality. The rule is set to create a standard to measure difficulty, but difficulty is a rather subjective term. 4 credit hours of English is less difficult than 2 or 3 credits of Thermodynamics for an engineer. Further, the actual studying done by students varies from indivdual to individual. I can get 2 credits for a basketball class at a university.

But the point is the issue of time, and whether a college student has it. Campuses are pretty much dead on Saturdays. Many students work part-time on the weekend, though they may party in the evening. Those that live close to home, often go home on the weekends where they get their free meals, and they can study away from the distractions.

And I live right around the way of GW and GM, and their expectations, especially GM, are not that high.

Most college catalogs make some clear statements about how much time is expected for any class -- the better the quality of the university, the more strongly you would expect students to adhere to those guidelines. Better schools require more work.

Classrooms and even libraries are dead on the weekends. But if you go to the dorms they are hoppin'. Same with the bars. Most students don't go to college so they can hang out with their parents on the weekend. And if you think going home to the parents is a "distraction" free environment you have to be kidding yourself. Parents are pretty much the most distracting people in the world.

Now why exactly would Cowher's daughter want to go home again? To study? What is Bill going to do? Read to her? Help her with her statistics homework?

 

[khiladi]

Most college catalogs make some clear statements about how much time is expected for any class -- the better the quality of the university, the more strongly you would expect students to adhere to those guidelines. Better schools require more work.

Classrooms and even libraries are dead on the weekends. But if you go to the dorms they are hoppin'. Same with the bars. Most students don't go to college so they can hang out with their parents on the weekend. And if you think going home to the parents is a "distraction" free environment you have to be kidding yourself. Parents are pretty much the most distracting people in the world.

Now why exactly would Cowher's daughter want to go home again? To study? What is Bill going to do? Read to her? Help her with her statistics homework?

And none of these students pay attention to the college catalogues, and what their expectations are regarding how much they need to study. often times, The financial implications dictate how a college rates the credit level. A 4 credit course in an Engineering program isn't equivalent to a 4 credit course in Criminal Justice. But that is besides the point. What we are talking about is your argument that college students don't have enough time to see their family.

What part of this don't you understand? Students go home all the time on the weekend. The majority of my friends when I went to school, who lived on campus, but had there parents in the same state, went home on the weekends on a regular basis. If not weekly, a bi-weekly basis. Rarely was there a time they stayed more than a month and didn't go home.

I can't define why they do it. Maybe they like home-cooking and they like their family. Maybe they are home-sick. Maybe they have an open relationship with their parents. Maybe they just want to get away from the social pressures at school.

The dorms are definitely not 'hoppin' on the weekends as compared to the regular school-days. Many students have part-time jobs on the weekend as well. Thursday is a major party day on campus, because many students on Friday leave early to go home. You'll see more people in the gym on a week-day than a weekend.

The fact is, there is plenty of time for Daughter Cowher to see Daddy Cowher if they live in the same area.

 

[khiladi]

This is exactly what you ar einsinuating though. It was on the radio that he is in the area scouting colleges for his daughter. Then you brought up 2009 and an interim coach in 2008.

I wasn't insinuating anything. All I was doing was making people aware of certain possibilities because I live in the DC area. People choose the place they are working based on certain reasons. If his daughter ends up going to a school in the DC area, it is one reason that he would take it. According to his own words, he left football because of this very reason. He always talks about his daughters.

I said that he also stated that he wanted another year of time, and his daughter is graduating high school in 1 year. This obviously entails that part of his retiring temporarily was in light of spending time with his younger daughter, who is going to go to college the next year.

Go ahead an shoot down a straw-man argument.

I repeat he and his daughter did not jump in a vehicle and make this trip on a whim because he wants to interview for the Commanders. He did not know Gibbs was going to retire. Not even Gibbs' Assistants did.

And I didn't say he did.

Unless you are the caller who saw him you don't even know if he is there or not. It may have been someone else with a big chin. Sgt. Slaughter the wrestler or Jay Leno.

Talk about exaggeration...

It's an awful big leap from caller to a radio station saw him, to perhaps an interim coach in 2008 then he takes over in 2009 just because he may or may not be in town.

Explain to me why it is an awful big leap to assume that Cowher may coach the Commanders, because he will be close to his family.

No, he left to be close to his wife and youngest daughter. He actually moved farther away from the oldest 2 daughters. Unless you think Princeton is in North Carolina. You must think he loves this daughter more than the other two if he has plans this intricate.

What is he suppose to do? Move closer to his 2 oldest daughters who are living on college campuses, and leave his wife and youngest daughter who aren't living on any college campus but at home by themselves? Especially those duaghters that are on their way out of college, and pretty much are plaing their last years of basketball.

I remain unconvinced. Not only isn't there a fire, there's not even smoke. But hey we all know George Mason University students have more insight than all the major news organizations put together. They must since none of the former are reporting this.

More exaggeration...

 

[kmd24]

The fact is, there is plenty of time for Daughter Cowher to see Daddy Cowher if they live in the same area.

You are arguing awfully hard to justify something that is, at best, speculation about the possible implications of a rumor.

Now would be a good time to remember the first rule of holes, my friend.

 

[superpunk]

There was also a rumor from a couple people that Cowher has bought a house near Leesburg.

Most of them start out with "My friend heard from this realtor...." so whatever.

Leesburg is in the area, for people who don't know.

 

[03EBZ06]

I can't get rid of my 19 year old daughter. She attends local university and lives at home, I've told her that I'd pay for dorm but she refused. Her reasoning is she loves her mom cooking and having privacy at home, go figure.

 

[Hostile]

I wasn't insinuating anything. All I was doing was making people aware of certain possibilities because I live in the DC area. People choose the place they are working based on certain reasons. If his daughter ends up going to a school in the DC area, it is one reason that he would take it. According to his own words, he left football because of this very reason. He always talks about his daughters.

I said that he also stated that he wanted another year of time, and his daughter is graduating high school in 1 year. This obviously entails that part of his retiring temporarily was in light of spending time with his younger daughter, who is going to go to college the next year.

Go ahead an shoot down a straw-man argument.



And I didn't say he did.




Talk about exaggeration...



Explain to me why it is an awful big leap to assume that Cowher may coach the Commanders, because he will be close to his family.



What is he suppose to do? Move closer to his 2 oldest daughters who are living on college campuses, and leave his wife and youngest daughter who aren't living on any college campus but at home by themselves? Especially those duaghters that are on their way out of college, and pretty much are plaing their last years of basketball.




More exaggeration...

If you keep "stretching" you may eventually "reach" something.

No offense is meant to you and if he ends up as their coach I will apologize, but I just don't buy any of this. Not a word. Sorry.

 

[Idgit]

You are arguing awfully hard to justify something that is, at best, speculation about the possible implications of a rumor.

Now would be a good time to remember the first rule of holes, my friend.

What's the first rule of holes?

 

[khiladi]

You are arguing awfully hard to justify something that is, at best, speculation about the possible implications of a rumor.

Now would be a good time to remember the first rule of holes, my friend.

Who in their right mind would create some rumor about seeing Cowher with his daughter, while they visited a University in the local DC area?

And note, I didn't say that the caller said this incident happened when Gibbs retired. It could have been months before Gibbs retired.

Maybe he will choose to coach the Commanders and move to the Washington DC area because he likes it, and it it is one of the richest areas in the country, and he has the further advantage of being close to his daughter. And another reason is Snyder always breaks the bank.

I don't see why people are so riled up about the possibility of Cowher coming to the Commanders. He is a good coach but I don't think he is that special. He'll make the Commanders a competitor, which makes for some good football.