Give Parcells credit for this...

[jackrussell]

Salary Cap was an EXTENSION of free-agency. There is a salary cap, because of free-agency. Even if JJ had no salary cap, it is not relevant, because there was NO free agency. With free agency, a coach has a lot more room to acquire players he wanted.

And when did I compare JJ in Dallas with JJ in Miami? I stated, if your gonna compare Parcells with Campo, than you need to do it on equivalent terms. If a person has 1 dollar to work with, and another guy has 100 dollars to work with, you sure as hell can't tell me that the guy with one dollar has more of a chance to buy better goods than a guy with 100 dollars.

Hey dude...I'll make it easy on you...

#1-was there, or was there not, a salary cap in 1990? (no, as I said)
#2- How was Jay Novecek aquired in 1990? (plan b free agency)
#3- What did you call anyone who was undrafted and then signed by a team in 1990. (undrafted free agent)
#4- what did you call a player released from his former team in 1990? (a free agent)

Dallas JJ to Miami JJ? By saying you have to compare coaches on an equal basis. According to your logic, by not having a cap in Dallas, you can't compare his work in Miami when he did.

And it's not how much money you have to spend...it's how you spend it.

 

[blindzebra]

It's amazing that any team sucks for a prolonged period of time in the NFL. I mean, what with the high picks, the cap space that results from not having any decent players to resign, and the ease with which you can reinstall a winning attitude to an NFL team, there ought to be 20-some guys out there ready to fix all those losing squads.

I'm sure Cleveland can't wait to talk to you about a replacement for Savage and Crennel. While you're at it, maybe you could send one of your extraordinary gentlemen to Arizona and Detroit with a holdover in Oakland.

Clearly NFL owners don't know all these football geniuses you are personally acquainted with - who can come in and give them three years of winning records and two playoff trips after years of unmitigated futility. These guys grow on trees.

And what do we have that the teams you brought up don't?

Jerry, who for all his faults, wants to win, and doesn't care what it costs.

Interesting that every team you mentioned had their draft picks holding out longer than anyone else.

 

[blindzebra]

Hey dude...I'll make it easy on you...

#1-was there, or was there not, a salary cap in 1990? (no, as I said)
#2- How was Jay Novecek aquired in 1990? (plan b free agency)
#3- What did you call anyone who was undrafted and then signed by a team in 1990. (undrafted free agent)
#4- what did you call a player released from his former team in 1990? (a free agent)

Dallas JJ to Miami JJ? By saying you have to compare coaches on an equal basis. According to your logic, by not having a cap in Dallas, you can't compare his work in Miami when he did.

And it's not how much money you have to spend...it's how you spend it.

And how many, big name, pro bowl level players saw the open market in 1990? Hmmm.

 

[jackrussell]

And how many, big name, pro bowl level players saw the open market in 1990? Hmmm.

And hmmmm...I'm not the one that said there was no free agency.

 

[jackrussell]

Salary Cap was an EXTENSION of free-agency. There is a salary cap, because of free-agency. Even if JJ had no salary cap, it is not relevant, because there was NO free agency. With free agency, a coach has a lot more room to acquire players he wanted.

And when did I compare JJ in Dallas with JJ in Miami? I stated, if your gonna compare Parcells with Campo, than you need to do it on equivalent terms. If a person has 1 dollar to work with, and another guy has 100 dollars to work with, you sure as hell can't tell me that the guy with one dollar has more of a chance to buy better goods than a guy with 100 dollars.

Let me ask you one question, a simple one, please answer honestly and to the best of your ability.

In today's cap situation, does it, or does it not affect as to how many of your own players you can sign, and for how much?

 

[superpunk]

And what do we have that the teams you brought up don't?

I guess you missed the part about three out of four years with winning records and 2 playoff appearances and a solid young core and a team that sent 7 players to the pro-bowl last year.

But besides that, I guess not much.

 

[jackrussell]

I guess you missed the part about three out of four years with winning records and 2 playoff appearances and a solid young core and a team that sent 7 players to the pro-bowl last year.

But besides that, I guess not much.

Well...anyone could do that.

 

[igtmfo]

Yup Larry Lacewell knows football accd to so many and I believe them, but his era as chief of college scouting is a wreck.

The Garretts look great right now and I think they'll continue to, but remember Jim Garrett, the daddy, touted Drew Hensen as, let me paraphrase: "more potential than Aikman" ... (look it up sorry I'm too lazy today ...) .. whoops there goes a (third?) pick ...

Our scouting in that era was the dregs. A few months after the first Super Bowl win of the JJ era, Jerry fired Bob Ackles, John Wooten and most importantly Dick Mansperger. A giant mistake, and the ultimate act of hubris by Jerry, and Jimmy too. If you don't believe me, read what Joel Buchsbaum said, link below. Oh apparently there was a guy named Smith too that was fired, I didn't remember him:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Columns/2002/buchsbaum083002.htm

All that said, I hope Lacewell's office is as far away from Ireland's as possible.

 

[igtmfo]

To reply to my own post, sorry ...

I thought that Larry Lacewell was brought in by Switzer, but it was Jimmy that brought him in as a scout/adviser etc. around the time that the braintrust (the reason we won 3 Super Bowls, see post above) were all fired in early '93. (Sorry I was year off in above post.) Lacewell was either on staff by then or no-more-than one season later.

L. Lacewell quickly ascended up the ladder. No problem. I'm not going to blame him too much. Remember that Gil Brandt, who was such an innovator and smart in so many ways, could not grade film/video - had no real idea of the really fine points. Whereas his underlings then - as now - have to have coach-like "eyes" in all ways, spend 200-plus days on the road every year ...

It's like at your workplace. The bosses really don't know too much, the guys at the bottom know everything ... yes there are meetings before the draft but do you think a scout throws a tantrum and says he's quitting unless we take "XX" player? Meanwhile the big guys are worrying about tee times. ... a good axiom: "big wheels are to p--s on, that's what dogs do to them ..."

This reminds me of the Rangers under Doug Melvin. We had 29 scouts fulltime then I believe, and we had our greatest success. When Melvin left because he told Hicks it was time to retool - I read Hicks cut it back to 19 scouts the next year. Nice. Once again, it's just like your office, the schmoozers like John Hart predominate and impress your vice president, don't know jack and may run the company into the ground. But no one is truly accountable, the principals at the staff meetings sitting around the boss are too well liked! Screw the pooch. Lacewell was like John Hart, he had some skins and was an impressive personality.

 

[khiladi]

Hey dude...I'll make it easy on you...

#1-was there, or was there not, a salary cap in 1990? (no, as I said)
#2- How was Jay Novecek aquired in 1990? (plan b free agency)
#3- What did you call anyone who was undrafted and then signed by a team in 1990. (undrafted free agent)
#4- what did you call a player released from his former team in 1990? (a free agent)

Dallas JJ to Miami JJ? By saying you have to compare coaches on an equal basis. According to your logic, by not having a cap in Dallas, you can't compare his work in Miami when he did.

And it's not how much money you have to spend...it's how you spend it.

Hoe about I make it easy on you?

Are you serious? Your considering the NFL pre-1993 as akin to the changes the league implemented after 1993? You got to be kidding me...

And seriously, tell that to those that don't have money, it is not how much money you have... they both correlate, i.e. how you spend and how much you have to spend... good players go where they are paid... the team that has more money can get MORE quality players.. really, are you just this bent on arguing?

And your right, you can't compare the two...

 

[khiladi]

Let me ask you one question, a simple one, please answer honestly and to the best of your ability.

In today's cap situation, does it, or does it not affect as to how many of your own players you can sign, and for how much?

What is your point?

The Dallas Cowboys are well under the salary cap.. they were NOT when Campo was there... further, the salary cap has consistently risen during Parcell's tenure, while still being under the cap...

I don't see what the relevance of your questions are... Sean Payton and Tubby SMith are kept examples of coaches who took their teams way farther than Parcells during his reign, in shorter time, with much less to work with...

to claim Parcells did something special and restored a team with a culture of losing is exxagerated hyperbole.. Campo had one dollar, Parcells had 100 dollars...

 

[Dave_in-NC]

After reading all this uhh stuff there is one major thing Parcells was able to accomplish, getting Jones to some what take a back seat and do what was right for the franchise. Only Jimmy and Parcells were able to do that.

In my eyes that made Parcells worth every penny he was paid, SB or no SB.
The argument that any one who had the recourses Parcells did when he arrived could do what he did is bogus. Jones couldn't do it. I'll go as far as to say Phillips couldn't do it.

Parcells left the building blocks here when he left. It's now up to Phillips to use them. I'm glad Parcells did what he did and I'm glad Phillips inherited a well built team. maybe we will all be happy in Jan.

 

[5Stars]

What is your point?

The Dallas Cowboys are well under the salary cap.. they were NOT when Campo was there... further, the salary cap has consistently risen during Parcell's tenure, while still being under the cap...

I don't see what the relevance of your questions are... Sean Payton and Tubby SMith are kept examples of coaches who took their teams way farther than Parcells during his reign, in shorter time, with much less to work with...

to claim Parcells did something special and restored a team with a culture of losing is exxagerated hyperbole.. Campo had one dollar, Parcells had 100 dollars...

Actually, Tuna made TWO teams better... And spotted a QB. Not everyone can say the Saints are as good as they are without remebering where thier coach came from...

America's Team takes care of others in need.

(now i wanna tuna sandwich...with chips) tasty!!

 

[Manster68]

I am playing along...though I did forget to add 'how many of us wouldn't have drafted Troy Aikman with our 1st round pick?'

Aaahhhhh SHUT UP!

I was one of those people. I would have taken Tony Mandarich.

If I don't confess that, then Niland76 would call me out on that. I can't lie my way out of it.

 

[5Stars]

Aaahhhhh SHUT UP!

I was one of those people. I would have taken Tony Mandarich.

If I don't confess that, then Niland76 would call me out on that. I can't lie my way out of it.

:laugh2: :laugh2: Good man!

 

[iceberg]

After reading all this uhh stuff there is one major thing Parcells was able to accomplish, getting Jones to some what take a back seat and do what was right for the franchise. Only Jimmy and Parcells were able to do that.

In my eyes that made Parcells worth every penny he was paid, SB or no SB.
The argument that any one who had the recourses Parcells did when he arrived could do what he did is bogus. Jones couldn't do it. I'll go as far as to say Phillips couldn't do it.

Parcells left the building blocks here when he left. It's now up to Phillips to use them. I'm glad Parcells did what he did and I'm glad Phillips inherited a well built team. maybe we will all be happy in Jan.

i would buy this more *if*

the people who said this would give jones credit for "learning" and hiring a "real coach" when much of this crowd said he never would.

then - the fact he did hire a real coach and take a back seat - he proved he can and will learn. w/parcells gone - it's as if he never hired pacells and we've got the "old" jones w/o even giving him a chance to see if he *really* learned.

some people put jones in a no-win situation and regardless of what he does, the good things are an accident or attributed to someone else and the bad things ge way magnified and all heaped upon jones.

 

[blindzebra]

I guess you missed the part about three out of four years with winning records and 2 playoff appearances and a solid young core and a team that sent 7 players to the pro-bowl last year.

But besides that, I guess not much.

And I guess you missed the 34-32 record, zero division titles, 4 straight late season nose-dives and no play off wins, too, huh?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Aaahhhhh SHUT UP!

I was one of those people. I would have taken Tony Mandarich.

If I don't confess that, then Niland76 would call me out on that. I can't lie my way out of it.

you are a fine American to admit that. I share your pain, brutha.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

neither is the over-analysis committee. i've seen, since parcells has gone, MANY Posters flat out say "get ready for 5-11 again because that's where we're going!" and you tell me - if not implying it what does "remember the 5-11 sesaons" mean? why pick out that point of time if you're not going to reference it OR imply it?

if you think i went nuts i think you're right there with me in this unfounded need to analyze every word i type to YOUR satisfaction?

get over yourself. you keep telling me it's a forum for open speech but you continue to harass the say i talk and exersize that right.

quit it man. it ain't funny no more.

:stop:
I said no crying!!!!


Stop it!
God bless you and no need to beat this dead porpoise.
Go forth and talk Cowboys, my brutha from another linear plane.
Go!

 

[iceberg]

:stop:
I said no crying!!!!


Stop it!
God bless you and no need to beat this dead porpoise.
Go forth and talk Cowboys, my brutha from another linear plane.
Go!

ain't no crying man. never was. there was utter amazement there were people with less comprehension than a dust-fart analyzing me and hypocracy 10x than what i was doing judging me.

that gets old but in the end stupid people do stupid things and it's just not smart to try and get them to quit it.

like i said - you wanna say people are gonna talk in a forum, then realize it will happen on all sides, not just your own POV.

later man - it's all good.