Give Zeke some props

[RonnieT24]

Zeke deserves props for playing hard, having a much improved YPC, and not fumbling. He also has to wear those failed short yardage conversions though and there’s been a lot.

He certainly has to own some of it but some it also has to go to Moore and the line. We are not attacking the line of scrimmage on those plays the way we should. Way too much dancing with the d-line instead of knocking them off the ball. I don't think we should ever call a slide step blocking scheme in short yardage. It forces the backs to wait and if the d-line fires into the linemen they're knocked back into the runner's lap. We need to learn how to play power football again.

 

[blueblood70]

LOL.. Zeke actually WAS out of the game and then Pollard whiffed on a couple blocks nearly getting Dak killed and he went back in.

we saw it

some are blind, remember they want pollard to replace zeke.:O)

 

[blueblood70]

agreed. except with the pay cut or whatever logic. people were mad that he jumped the line when we were already strapped, held out, and then came back and started sluggish. very very easy to take issue with that.

for those who wish to be upset over things they cant control, and have zero to do with football..

there was no LINE. jerry makes the line not the fans, jerry decides whos first and what strapped actually means..he caved Zeke got paid and here we are..TIME TO LET IT GO! that was way back before 2019 season..

that ship has sailed came back reloaded and back out to sea..move on..

who made 32 mil for 4.5 games last year? that more then 2 season of zeke...who making 3 times what zeke makes but wins more with zeke having success..we all know who that is ..zekes chump change and when a player that been that important to this team is 4th on the pay scale on his own team, well i take ZERO issue with it..

 

[ConstantReboot]

Zeke gutted it out instead of tapping out. He could have stayed on the bench, but kept playing...I know the local capologists will attack this, but I'm talking football.....I'll leave the cap and money to the FO. If any of you are willing to take a paycut or work for less than you can get, then go ahead and complain.....if not, shhhh....
I like Zekes game...he may not have much time left and the fact that he played hard in a blow out loss, while injured.....that's a football player!

No one should be blaming Zeke for being in there. McCarthy should be the one to blame.

 

[blueblood70]

He certainly has to own some of it but some it also has to go to Moore and the line. We are not attacking the line of scrimmage on those plays the way we should. Way too much dancing with the d-line instead of knocking them off the ball. I don't think we should ever call a slide step blocking scheme in short yardage. It forces the backs to wait and if the d-line fires into the linemen they're knocked back into the runner's lap. We need to learn how to play power football again.

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I guess ES needs to OWN that series against eagles what 3 straight runs for 1 yard and didn't get it,.blame the coaches was the fans take but if this is and issue with zeke well Emmitt's had those moments..

 

[RonnieT24]

I guess ES needs to won that series against eagles what 3 straight runs for 1 yard and didn't get it,.blame the coaches was the fans take but if this is and issue with zeke well Emmitt's had those moments..

Yeah people don't like to hear it when it doesn't suit their narrative but no back is going to be successful if the offensive line is losing. At least not consistently. Sure a Barry Sanders might break a long one every other week to make the numbers look better.. but Barry lost over 3000 yards in his career. And not all of it was because the line missed blocks.. A lot of it was because Barry never saw a 3 yard gain he couldn't turn into 30 by bouncing it outside.

 

[Hadenough]

Does the blocking ever come into the equation?

That is what really makes a RB successful. My problem with Zeke is on those 4th down calls you didn't see him just put it in high gear and put his head down and ram it up into a crease. He dances around too much sometimes. I have yet to see him dive over a pile this year. There are plays like the one at the end of the Vikings game where he just looked so determined when he caught that pass and split defenders so you know he can do it. He is just more selective about how hard he runs.

 

[RonnieT24]

That is what really makes a RB successful. My problem with Zeke is on those 4th down calls you didn't see him just put it in high gear and put his head down and ram it up into a crease. He dances around too much sometimes. I have yet to see him dive over a pile this year. There are plays like the one at the end of the Vikings game where he just looked so determined when he caught that pass and split defenders so you know he can do it. He is just more selective about how hard he runs.

Did you watch the 4th down play call though. The line did not fire off at all, which lets you know the play is designed for Zeke to read the blocks and find the crease. There was none.. I don't like calling that kind of scheme against a stacked front because it's pretty much guaranteed they will have more than you can block up there so I'd much rather they just hand it to him with a head of steam and tell him to move the pile. If they had just done that he could have aimed himself at Zack's butt and gotten the first down. Hell line McGovern up in front of him and send them both into the pile.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Roy I’m not disagreeing with you.

I think Pollard is the better runner but I think Zeke blocking gives him a slight edge as an overall better player. I like everything about Tony and I have never been a fan of Zeke’s petulance and sense of entitlement although I think he has matured.

If I have to take Zeke and his salary, its a no go EVERY time. I take Pollard at 500k EVERY time. I can easily go out and get another quality back to team in a RB by committee.

If we are in fantasy land and FORCED to take ONLY one back and their salaries are equal, then I would take Zeke. Only because of his durability.

But in REAL life you take Pollard and another good back or two for 1/3 the price.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Roy this can’t be a serious post. My guy read this out loud.

100% in every way serious.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Hmmm.. Pollard probably has better averages because he's getting the ball on the jet sweep for about 20% of his carries.. Basically it's a receiver end around and oh by the way, when he takes that handoff the defense is generally looking at Zeke.. enabling Pollard to get to the second level unmolested on those plays. It's not really rocket surgery.. It's the same reason wide receivers and Qbs generally have a better averages. Most of their runs are basically open field runs. Workhorse backs don't have that luxury. They have to get theirs up the gut for the most part. But you already knew that..

Pollard gets EVERY kind of run. He is just better at them.

Jet sweep? LOL That was about the most laughably pathetic response you could come up with?

You got NOTHING and you lose this argument as usual.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Okay you asked.. In the first half Zeke had 6 carries for 27 yards.. 4.5 yards per carry. Just as a bonus I thought I would include your love child Tony Pollard's numbers.. He had a robust 11 yards on 4 carries.. Or 2.75 yards per carry for the math impaired. Yeah sign me up for more of that.. So he was less effective than that bum Zeke.. but he should have gotten the ball more.. I suppose in someone's twisted mind that logic makes sense.. But it doesn't make any sense to me. The run game was working fine when Zeke was running.. It was Pollard who bogged it down.. By the way I'm glad you brought up the last two games because they're very interesting numbers wise for your claim that Pollard should be getting more touches.. In the last two games he has amassed 37 yards on 11 carries.. Just tearin it up right.. In those same two games, the guy you want him to replace has 101 yards on 26 carries. "Way to cherry pick, Ronnie.." Okay you got me.. Let's go back three games.. I mean New England really held Zeke in check right.. Add that game and Pollard goes to 78 yards on 21 carries. 3.7 ypc . Meanwhile Zeke goes up to 170 yards on 38 carries. 4.47 ypc. Should I continue.. Since the nice game he had in San Diego Pollard has kinda come back to Earth. His ypc average has gone from 8.48 in that game to 5.45, 6.70 then 5.36, 4.1, 3.7 then 2.75. That's a pretty steady decline over the last 4 weeks which if Zeke was doing yall would be killin him for and calling for Pollard.

WOW!!! 6 carries for 27 yards? What a stud!!! Definitely worth 15 million per year!!

So what is the YPC over the entire year between Zeke and Pollard? Without your random cherry picking.

Im going to bet Pollard is still higher as you have to cherry pick to make your laughable point.

Now lets take a look at salaries while your at it.

Zeke 15 million. Pollard around what 500k per year?

Poor guy, fighting a losing battle.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don’t think this is true at all. I think the damn good teammate

You mean by holding out in Cabo while the rest of the team is working hard in TC? Then coming in fat and out of shape the last 4 years?

Getting drunk, and suspended for 6 games. Stuff like that?

 

[RonnieT24]

WOW!!! 6 carries for 27 yards? What a stud!!! Definitely worth 15 million per year!!

So what is the YPC over the entire year between Zeke and Pollard? Without your random cherry picking.

Im going to bet Pollard is still higher as you have to cherry pick to make your laughable point.

Now lets take a look at salaries while your at it.

Zeke 15 million. Pollard around what 500k per year?

Poor guy, fighting a losing battle.

How am I cherry picking when I used the same two games that you brought up to make my point. Zeke has struggled.. but he has struggled considerably less than Pollard has in that span. You can get mad and declare victory till the cows come home. You claimed Zeke has has "two horrible game.." yet somehow Pollard having had two WORSE games is okay.. Have fun with that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

How am I cherry picking when I used the same two games that you brought up to make my point. Zeke has struggled.. but he has struggled considerably less than Pollard has in that span. You can get mad and declare victory till the cows come home. You claimed Zeke has has "two horrible game.." yet somehow Pollard having had two WORSE games is okay.. Have fun with that.

They have both sucked. Unlike you, I can talk about the obvious.
Somehow because Pollard sucked too you think that forgives Zeke sucking it up?

The difference is that Pollard doenst get paid 15 million per year. People dont brag about Pollard being the best RB in the NFL or top 5 or whatever laughable nonsense you keep saying.

Pollard also only gets a handful of carries so what is the guy supposed to do? Zeke is the overpaid workhorse that you guys act like is gods gift to RB's.

Im simply pointing out that your hero sucked two games in a row when we really needed him and you simply cant handle it.

 

[Aviano90]

Zeke played well on Sunday. One of the few players that did.

 

[Cowpolk]

They have both sucked. Unlike you, I can talk about the obvious.
Somehow because Pollard sucked too you think that forgives Zeke sucking it up?

The difference is that Pollard doenst get paid 15 million per year. People dont brag about Pollard being the best RB in the NFL or top 5 or whatever laughable nonsense you keep saying.

Pollard also only gets a handful of carries so what is the guy supposed to do? Zeke is the overpaid workhorse that you guys act like is gods gift to RB's.

Im simply pointing out that your hero sucked two games in a row when we really needed him and you simply cant handle it.

Pollard gets paid like a backup and that is what he is always has been

 

[Thomas82]

He certainly has to own some of it but some it also has to go to Moore and the line. We are not attacking the line of scrimmage on those plays the way we should. Way too much dancing with the d-line instead of knocking them off the ball. I don't think we should ever call a slide step blocking scheme in short yardage. It forces the backs to wait and if the d-line fires into the linemen they're knocked back into the runner's lap. We need to learn how to play power football again.

Say it loud for the folks in the cheap seats!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Pollard gets paid like a backup and that is what he is always has been

Yet he is a better runner with a better average then Zeke? And at a fraction of the price.

Your hero Zeke seems to fold when he is most needed.

 

[john van brocklin]

Zeke gutted it out instead of tapping out. He could have stayed on the bench, but kept playing...I know the local capologists will attack this, but I'm talking football.....I'll leave the cap and money to the FO. If any of you are willing to take a paycut or work for less than you can get, then go ahead and complain.....if not, shhhh....
I like Zekes game...he may not have much time left and the fact that he played hard in a blow out loss, while injured.....that's a football player!

Why did they allow him to play is my question?
Dude was hurt and we were not gonna win.