Goff vs Prescott

[BoltsNHorns]

What has Jimmy G done in this league?

Defense are mesmerize by his good look and can't concentrate on the task at hand.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Its not a good idea to ask him to do math.

There ya are!

It’s been like 7-8 hours?

You still desperately searching for the answer to what percentage increase 55 is from 37?

Are you really spazzing our over simple math?

You don’t know really know the answer do you lil’one?

 

[Sevenup3000]

Well, I don’t know what you mean “No.1 and No. 2 franchise QB.” Is someone claiming Goff and Wentz are the #1 & 2 QBs in the league?

Are they that comparable when you consider the fact they have played 8-10 less games than Dak. Not to mention both Goff and Wentz are asked to shoulder more of the offense on their arms.

They are the No. 1 and No. 2 overall picks in the 2016 Draft. They are also believed to be franchise QBs that are primed to get their 250 million dollar contracts.

Why are their numbers (in ANY respect) even comparable to an "awful" 4th round, throw away non-franchise QB? And forget total, raw stats...why are they both trailing Dak in completion percentages, and QB rating?

Shouldn't their numbers far exceed "one of the worst QBs" in the NFL?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

They are the No. 1 and No. 2 overall picks in the 2016 Draft. They are also believed to be franchise QBs that are primed to get their 250 million dollar contracts.

Why are their numbers (in ANY respect) even comparable to an "awful" 4th round, throw away non-franchise QB? And forget total, raw stats...why are they both trailing Dak in completion percentages, and QB rating?

Shouldn't their numbers far exceed "one of the worst QBs" in the NFL?

So you’re wanting to know why Goff and Wentz who are supposedly “franchise QBs that are primed to get their 250 million dollar contracts” are even comparable to “an ‘awful’ 4th round, throw away non-franchise QB?”

Did I get your strawman correct or did I leave anything out?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

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Didn’t 49ers go like 5-1 after Garrapolo took the helm in 2017?

They did....but he looked mediocre doing it.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

They did....but he looked mediocre doing it.

And that can’t be said about Dak?

 

[The Realist]

"Dak needs perfection around him to play at an acceptable level"

You ever heard the term Romo friendly? Everything Dak had on offense when he started his career was put together to help Romo, including the 3 first round OL and taking Zeke at 4 overall. Why did they draft those 3 OL and Zeke? Because Romo needed them.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

A lot of excuses and "what ifs" in there to try to put Dak there with Goff. It's embarrassing. Just stop.

"Just stop". But, when it comes to QBs that you support, you won't stop making excuses for them, like you the Dak Doubter claim excuses are made for Dak. Saying that Dak needs everything perfect around him, when by that same logic and by the own words/viewpoints of Cowboys fans or this board and else where, other QBs, ones that you support, need everything "perfect around them." To be able to succeed certain things or reach certain goals.

Others get the benefit of the doubt, with the "This QB is great and elite, but only hasn't accomplished "fill in blank", because he doesn't have or he didn't have a solid running game, certain offensive weapons, or because the defense sucked, or his supporting cast wasn't good enough, or because his team sucked, or because the coaches weren't good.

The same ones complaining about excuses being made for Dak, have been fine with blaming other aspects and factors, to explain away why their favorite QB didn't accomplish certain goals. Or they give their favorite QBs leeways and free passes that they wouldn't give to Dak. All of the viewpoints made to defend Goff on this board, wouldn't be made to defend Dak. And some would trash and bash Dak, even if he made it to the Superbowl but lost.

Also, a running game and the Rams Defense, was a big part of the reason for the Rams making it to the Superbowl in the first place. The Rams Defense held, that some bash Dak for not scoring enough points on, held Brees to 24 points and Brady to 13 points and only one Touchdown. Yet, some put the loss against the Rams, completely on Dak's shoulders. Saying that the Rams didn't fear Dak's throwing ability. Yet, two QBs Brees and Brady, who are better QBs than Dak and who are elite, didn't have much more success against the Rams Defense, than Dak did.

The Rams Defense turned it on for the playoffs at the wrong time for the Cowboys, the Saints, and Patriots. Yet, Goff couldn't even get a TD after his defense held Brady to 13 points and only one TD. The Rams made it to the Superbowl in large part because of a great rushing performance and their Defense playing great in their playoff run. These would be the same reasons used to say that Dak was "carried." But, now Goff is expected to get 100% of the credit, for getting the Rams there.

If our Defense held Brady to 13 points and Dak only got 3 points, he would be criticized and bashed. It wouldn't matter if he got to the Superbowl, especially with the "he was carried" narrative. Nothing that happened before, would help Dak escape the berating he would get, if he pulled of Goff's Superbowl performance. But, Goff "getting there" is supposed to excuse him and give him the benefit of the doubt.

The ones complaining the most about what Dak Supporters do, do the same in the favor of their QB. You'll throw out the positive and focus on the negative when it comes to Dak. But, then throw out the negative and focus on the positive when it comes to QBs you support.

And the Anti-Dak crowd will get upset at those who mention other QBs short comings and weaknesses. Expecting their favorite QBs to receive more of the benefit of the doubt and support, than Dak receives.

 

[BoysForLife]

Garbage

Why?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And that can’t be said about Dak?

It depends when you are trying to say it..but I’m confused....what does Jimmy G have to do with Dak?

 

[lk8701]

Defense are mesmerize by his good look and can't concentrate on the task at hand.

No wonder why Brady has won 6 Super Bowls.

 

[Ken]

So dak is better because he lost in the divisional round against Goff's team. And Goff is worse because because he lost in the Superbowl against the best run organization in all of football, facing the greatest coach in all of football, against the best Quarterback in all of football. Nope you're not so crazy anymore. I think you sound quite smart.

If that is what you got out of that statement, I am not the crazy one.

It had nothing to do with the Super bowl to me, hence why I made the statement earlier this year.

It has everything to do with the 2nd half of the year and how Goff was exposed as being completely inept. Now, most people not in denial, can see that.

 

[Blackrain]

For me its not even about the Dak bashing, its just in general. We have a stickied post reguarding the rules about this type of posting and still these posters dont seem to care. Theyre here for one thing and thats it. But nothing is being done about it and theyre ruining a great thing the owner has created here. Its robbed this place of very good views on the team outside the norm of the national media spotlight. I just hope these moderators can do something about it because ive seen warning stickied post after warning stickied post and it just doesnt seem to do anything to change the way these certain posters are hijacking every thread.

I agree it is in general but the Dak bashing is just the example that comes to mind . When you have someone so bold to come on a site made specifically for Cowboys FANS and have a big picture of Dak looking in the mirror at a bag of trash that is insulting and dose not belong here . It wasn't a couple words ,it was a big picture and the mods did nothing .

So then other fans insult the poster ME INCLUDED!!! who is insulting our QB and team and the snowball starts rolling down the hill . Constructive criticism of a players game is fine the trolls who do nothing but spew one line posts about who sucks have no value to this forum and are insulting to the people who want to have an intelligent football conversation .

They are instigators that should be weeded out and forced to express themselves on another form of social media not a site designed specifically FOR COWBOYS FANS !!!!. This is really just common sense .

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It depends when you are trying to say it..but I’m confused....what does Jimmy G have to do with Dak?

Jimmy G. led 49ers went 5-1 with him at the helm. Folks try to descredit his play despite the overall result. Doesn’t that bother you when folks do that with Dak?

 

[Sydla]

It depends when you are trying to say it..but I’m confused....what does Jimmy G have to do with Dak?

I think his point is that Dak fans love to point to the Cowboys record as the most important stat to judge Dak by. But then some will be quick to use other stats to discredit other QBs despite those QBs also winning games regardless of how they play.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jimmy G. led 49ers went 5-1 with him at the helm. Folks try to descredit his play despite the overall result. Doesn’t that bother you when folks do that with Dak?

No it doesn’t because when Dak sucks we lose. 49ers were winning even with poor performances.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think his point is that Dak fans love to point to the Cowboys record as the most important stat to judge Dak by. But then some will be quick to use other stats to discredit other QBs despite those QBs also winning games regardless of how they play.

That’s fair. But Jimmy G has looked pedestrian since leaving the Pats. He has a reputation for being a great qb just because he looks the part. No one is making the argument that Dak is a great quarterback even though he’s closer to great than Jimmy G has shown.

 

[mattjames2010]

"Just stop". But, when it comes to QBs that you support, you won't stop making excuses for them, like you the Dak Doubter claim excuses are made for Dak. Saying that Dak needs everything perfect around him, when by that same logic and by the own words/viewpoints of Cowboys fans or this board and else where, other QBs, ones that you support, need everything "perfect around them." To be able to succeed certain things or reach certain goals.

Others get the benefit of the doubt, with the "This QB is great and elite, but only hasn't accomplished "fill in blank", because he doesn't have or he didn't have a solid running game, certain offensive weapons, or because the defense sucked, or his supporting cast wasn't good enough, or because his team sucked, or because the coaches weren't good.

The same ones complaining about excuses being made for Dak, have been fine with blaming other aspects and factors, to explain away why their favorite QB didn't accomplish certain goals. Or they give their favorite QBs leeways and free passes that they wouldn't give to Dak. All of the viewpoints made to defend Goff on this board, wouldn't be made to defend Dak. And some would trash and bash Dak, even if he made it to the Superbowl but lost.

Also, a running game and the Rams Defense, was a big part of the reason for the Rams making it to the Superbowl in the first place. The Rams Defense held, that some bash Dak for not scoring enough points on, held Brees to 24 points and Brady to 13 points and only one Touchdown. Yet, some put the loss against the Rams, completely on Dak's shoulders. Saying that the Rams didn't fear Dak's throwing ability. Yet, two QBs Brees and Brady, who are better QBs than Dak and who are elite, didn't have much more success against the Rams Defense, than Dak did.

The Rams Defense turned it on for the playoffs at the wrong time for the Cowboys, the Saints, and Patriots. Yet, Goff couldn't even get a TD after his defense held Brady to 13 points and only one TD. The Rams made it to the Superbowl in large part because of a great rushing performance and their Defense playing great in their playoff run. These would be the same reasons used to say that Dak was "carried." But, now Goff is expected to get 100% of the credit, for getting the Rams there.

If our Defense held Brady to 13 points and Dak only got 3 points, he would be criticized and bashed. It wouldn't matter if he got to the Superbowl, especially with the "he was carried" narrative. Nothing that happened before, would help Dak escape the berating he would get, if he pulled of Goff's Superbowl performance. But, Goff "getting there" is supposed to excuse him and give him the benefit of the doubt.

The ones complaining the most about what Dak Supporters do, do the same in the favor of their QB. You'll throw out the positive and focus on the negative when it comes to Dak. But, then throw out the negative and focus on the positive when it comes to QBs you support.

And the Anti-Dak crowd will get upset at those who mention other QBs short comings and weaknesses. Expecting their favorite QBs to receive more of the benefit of the doubt and support, than Dak receives.

When you have to write multiple paragraphs with "what ifs" and attempts to tear down a QB that made it to the Super Bowl, you need to start looking at the QB you're defending. Again, stop. It's embarrassing.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Dak passer rating by distance and area of field through first 16 weeks before his blow up game against the Giants:

Behind LOS to left: 83.3 NFL average 89.6 below average
Behind LOS middle: 96.9 average 97.0 average
Behind LOS right: 128.9 avg 87.5 way above average
0-10 yards left: 104.0 avg 88.2 way above average
0-10 yards middle: 90.3 avg 92 below average
0-10 yards right: 97.1 avg 87.4 above average
11-20 yards left: 62.1 avg 81.4 way below average
11-20 middle: 71.1 avg 92.9 way below average
11-20 right: 82.8 avg 82.1 average
20+ left: 90.8 avg 76.6 way above average
20+ middle: 158.3 avg 89.6 way above average
20+ right: 101.0 avg 78 way above average

Week 17:
None behind LOS short
1/1 behind LOS middle
0/3 behind LOS right
4/7 0-10 left
4/4 0-10 middle
9/15 0-10 right
2/2 10-20 left
None 10-20 middle
3/3 with 2 TDs 10-20 right
1/2 with 1 TD 20+ left
1/1 with 1 TD 20+ middle
2/5 20+ to the right

Trying to get quantity figures now

 

[mattjames2010]

You ever heard the term Romo friendly? Everything Dak had on offense when he started his career was put together to help Romo, including the 3 first round OL and taking Zeke at 4 overall. Why did they draft those 3 OL and Zeke? Because Romo needed them.

...that's not at all addressing what I just said.