Goose: Cowboys should do what it takes to move up for McFadden...

[YosemiteSam]

Hart does not and has not shown the ability of any of the Rb's you mentioned. I'm not using his height as an indicatior, I'm only citing my preference for a RB that shows more ability for his size. Hart will be a bust and wanting a RB like that for the Cowboys is a horrid idea.

I think you're dead wrong about Hart. Baring him being drafted by a team that has an absolute horrid offensive line, this guy will be a player. I've watched him play, and his abilities translate to the NFL better than many other RBs. Pure speed does not translate. His running ability isn't based on pure speed. The kid has talent and he has great character.

 

[Yeagermeister]

If we have a chance to trade up and get McFadden, you DO IT.

Depending on the price yeah but we have other holes that need to be filled. I'd give up our two 1st's this year but no future picks.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

You can tell a lot of people throwing out ideas of what will and won't work aren't engineers by trade.

Great engineers only appear to live by SWAG. Their strength is deducting logic from chaos!

Well, as an engineer, and have read most of your views already on this subject. I knew before I opened the thread, you would be in here saying how much better Peterson is and how much we don't need McFadden.

Let me deduct some logic for you, we need blue-chip playmakers for this team at this point in our development, not guys that will be sitting on the bench as backups. With 2 firsts, this is our one chance to get one in the draft. Its not like we are trading the picks for an old guy (ala Joey), we are trading it for another pick.

DMac looks to be the best playmaker available. Sure there are other good players out there, but there is nothing wrong with targeting the top prospect.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Well, as an engineer, and have read most of your views already on this subject. I knew before I opened the thread, you would be in here saying how much better Peterson is and how much we don't need McFadden.

Let me deduct some logic for you, we need blue-chip playmakers for this team at this point in our development, not guys that will be sitting on the bench as backups. With 2 firsts, this is our one chance to get one in the draft. Its not like we are trading the picks for an old guy (ala Joey), we are trading it for another pick.

DMac looks to be the best playmaker available. Sure there are other good players out there, but there is nothing wrong with targeting the top prospect.

Galloway was far from old when we traded for him. He was in his mid to late 20's. If he hadn't gotten hurt in his first game the trade may have been looked at differently.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Galloway was far from old when we traded for him. He was in his mid to late 20's. If he hadn't gotten hurt in his first game the trade may have been looked at differently.

Yes, but the point is we are trading a pick for a pick, really. Alot has been said about not trading picks for players, you are sacrificing the future, you will end up like the 2000 team, blah blah blah.

In fact, we are trading a pick for a pick, lower rated young guys for a higher rated young guy.

 

[slick325]

Galloway was far from old when we traded for him. He was in his mid to late 20's. If he hadn't gotten hurt in his first game the trade may have been looked at differently.

The outcome could have been different if he had a decent QB throwing him balls as well. If I remember correctly, Troy was forced to retire the season Galloway was coming back from the torn ACL.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Yes, but the point is we are trading a pick for a pick, really. Alot has been said about not trading picks for players, you are sacrficing the future, you will end up like the 2000 team, blah blah blah.

In fact, we are trading a pick for a pick, lower rated young guys for a higher rated young guy.

I hate the trade and wish we'd have never made it.

Like I said earlier I'd trade both #1's and nothing more.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

I think you're dead wrong about Hart. Baring him being drafted by a team that has an absolute horrid offensive line, this guy will be a player. I've watched him play, and his abilities translate to the NFL better than many other RBs. Pure speed does not translate. His running ability isn't based on pure speed. The kid has talent and he has great character.

I agree with you on the character part.........He has collegiate talent IMO, that will not translate to the NFL....I see him getting drafted in the late second or early 3rd round....

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I hate the trade and wish we'd have never made it.

Like I said earlier I'd trade both #1's and nothing more.

Well, I hate that trade too, but you brought it up...

To me, Galloway wasn't really all that old, but for that particular trade, he was too old. I'm not saying you did it, but I have seen several say that we shouldn't trade picks, but it isn't like we are getting an older player, it is for another prospect.

Call what the Foreskins do with their picks stupid, but trading a pick for another pick can be absolutely great, heck it is how we got these 2 picks in the first place......now if only the Browns would have fell apart like they were supposed to.

BTW, both number #1s, as late as they will be, won't be enough.

 

[03EBZ06]

BTW, both number #1s, as late as they will be, won't be enough.

Yup.

Let's say...

It appears that McFadden will be 3rd overall pick (2200 draft value points)

Browns pick is #15 overall = 1,050 points
Our pick is #30 (but should be #32 ) = 620 points

= 1,670 total points

Will need our next year's #1 picks (let's say #30 again)

So basically we'll have to give up three #1 picks for MaFadden.

 

[ayjackson]

If NE's SF pick ends up in position for McFadden, our number ones and MBIII to NE would get it done. Not that I'm in favour of that. No way NE wants to pick in the top 5 of the draft.

 

[theogt]

Throw in Carpenter.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Yup.

Let's say...

It appears that McFadden will be 3rd overall pick (2200 draft value points)

Browns pick is #15 overall = 1,050 points
Our pick is #30 (but should be #32 ) = 620 points

= 1,670 total points

Will need our next year's #1 picks (let's say #30 again)

So basically we'll have to give up three #1 picks for MaFadden.

Ahh, throw in Carp and Rowdy to make it even with just 2 picks.

It would be a hard deal to make, that is for sure, McFadden would really have to fall to around 5 or 6 for us to have a chance.

And since JJ is running the team now without Tuna in his ear, never ever underestimate the Hogwild heart of JJ going to get McFadden.

 

[trickblue]

Yup.

Let's say...

It appears that McFadden will be 3rd overall pick (2200 draft value points)

Browns pick is #15 overall = 1,050 points
Our pick is #30 (but should be #32 ) = 620 points

= 1,670 total points

Will need our next year's #1 picks (let's say #30 again)

So basically we'll have to give up three #1 picks for MaFadden.

No... it would be two #1's...

You are basically giving them your second 2008 #1 pick and your 2009 #1 to swap places for your other 2008 #1...

 

[03EBZ06]

No... it would be two #1's...

You are basically giving them your second 2008 #1 pick and your 2009 #1 to swap places for your other 2008 #1...

Yeah, you are correct. three #1 picks for one #1 pick.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

No... it would be two #1's...

You are basically giving them your second 2008 #1 pick and your 2009 #1 to swap places for your other 2008 #1...

Yeah, you are correct. three #1 picks for one #1 pick.

Yes, this is what I was saying. Sure it is for McFadden, but it is still a pick.

 

[03EBZ06]

Yes, this is what I was saying. Sure it is for McFadden, but it is still a pick.

I wouldn't mind giving up 2008's two #1 picks for him but I just have a hard time with giving up 2009's #1.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I wouldn't mind giving up 2008's two #1 picks for him but I just have a hard time with giving up 2009's #1.

Yeah, I believe it would take alot of work to get done. Perhaps they can throw in a pick or something. Maybe we could throw in Carp or a bag of chips, whichever they would want more.....better add in some cheese dip.

 

[theogt]

I'd be happy with something like this.

Dallas: 2008 1st (both), Carpenter

New England: 2008 1st, 2008 2nd (or 3rd)

 

[Clove]

When I see McFadden play, I see a team with zero passing game and the entire planet + Mars know he's going to get the ball on 99% of the plays. Somehow he still produces.

Now 3 things.

1. Dallas has a dynamic passing game. IF McFadden were here, defenses would never know what we were going to run on any given play. McFadden wouldn't be a sitting duck, and I can see him slicing up defenses with Fury.

2. You see what a great team can become if you add another Super Star to it (ala Randy Moss to NE) that team becomes UNSTOPPABLE. And we WOULD be unstoppable with McFad.

3. Corner back and Wide Receiver can be obtained through Free Agency or Trade, and if you get McFad, then Barber can instantly become trade bait for draft picks or Players of need, I know we love Barber, I'm his biggest fan, but if you get McFad, Barber becomes a luxury.