Goose: Cowboys should do what it takes to move up for McFadden...

[dcowboysfan76]

Why would we draft Mike Hart, he's a watered down version of MB III

Maurice Jones-Drew is better than Hart in the battle of the midgets....Why would we want a midget RB? Hart is 5'7" and is listed at 5'9".....IMO he will be a bust in the NFL......

 

[dallasfan]

Think about this Hypothetical.

If McFadden is on our team this year, do we beat the Patriots? I don't think we do. We had problems in the secondary, not moving the ball.

Here's why I disagre. Right now we have a decent running game, but outside of running situations teams aren't stacking the box. With McFadden, we could have one of the top running attacks. How does this help us against the pats? We can play keep away, while actually moving the ball (see colts game last week, or NE against the colts in the 04' playoff game). Keeping an explosive offense on the bench is a good thing, cause thay can't get into a rhythem.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Here's why I disagre. Right now we have a decent running game, but outside of running situations teams aren't stacking the box. With McFadden, we could have one of the top running attacks. How does this help us against the pats? We can play keep away, while actually moving the ball (see colts game last week, or NE against the colts in the 04' playoff game). Keeping an explosive offense on the bench is a good thing, cause thay can't get into a rhythem.

Also, it was unfortunate against the Pats that we didn't really get a chance to set the tempo with the run because we were behind....

 

[jterrell]

running backs do not last as long as other positions and workhorse backs especially so.

unless mcfadden becomes a top 15 back in the history of the league than it would be a simply awful trade.

Larry Johnson is a very good back. LT is a great back. I wouldn't give up two firsts and a 3rd rounder for BOTH of them together. Teams are going to run the ball maybe 30 times per game. Marion Barber can handle 20 of that at an extremely high level. He has the 3rd most TDs of any back since the start of last season and could catch Larry Johnson this year.

We passed on Quinn because we had Romo and we'll settle for letting the game come to us with regards to McFadden because we have Barber.

This is all driven by Adrian Peterson infatuation.

Barber has the second best yards per carry of top backs to Peterson. We are not hurting at running back by any means. We have a tough, hard-running guy who gets it done. We do not need a star at running back.

 

[StarHead69]

Just my 2cents, I would prefer Jake Long from Michigan if we were trading up. A franchise tackle can make all the backs in our "committee" look better, and extend Romo's carreer. JMO

The Pat's make me sick... why is it that every time we trade for someones first, that team has a breakout year and the opposite happens for the patriots?

Tell me one person who thought Clevelands pick would be higher than san frans... besides browns fans.

 

[jterrell]

Maurice Jones-Drew is better than Hart in the battle of the midgets....Why would we want a midget RB? Hart is 5'7" and is listed at 5'9".....IMO he will be a bust in the NFL......

Barry Sanders was 5'8", Brian Westbrook 5'7", Emmitt maybe 5'10". Height is a horrid indicator of RB success and most coaches do not want tall guys. It was a knock on Peterson from many scouts.

We do not need a RB, but if we want to pair someone with Barber we can get Hart or many others to get 10 carries a game and do just fine.

We need WRs and CBs. That's how you win football games nowadays.

 

[theogt]

Honestly, I'm not going to be upset if we go either route (trading up for DMac or taking a CB/WR combo). A lot depends on how the rest of the season pans out. If Henry comes back healthy and the defense continues to improve, there will hardly be an immediate need for a CB. And if the offense continues to roll, likewise for need at WR. We've already got a competent 3rd CB on the roster and we've got a great 3rd WR on the roster. And I think Stanback is going to be a star.

 

[dallasfan]

Also, it was unfortunate against the Pats that we didn't really get a chance to set the tempo with the run because we were behind....

Weren't our first 2 plays run plays that went for nothing.....

And that's not important because we had a chance when we were up in the third, but we couldn't move the ball.

 

[dallasfan]

People say we don't need a RB, but we really don't need a WR. I know Owens is getting old, but we could easily draft somebody in round 2 or 3 like Dorien Bryant who can give this unit some more speed.

 

[jterrell]

Honestly, I'm not going to be upset if we go either route (trading up for DMac or taking a CB/WR combo). A lot depends on how the rest of the season pans out. If Henry comes back healthy and the defense continues to improve, there will hardly be an immediate need for a CB. And if the offense continues to roll, likewise for need at WR. We've already got a competent 3rd CB on the roster and we've got a great 3rd WR on the roster. And I think Stanback is going to be a star.

That's sadly but completely to the point.

DMac or say DeSean Jackson/Mike Jenkins. I can imagine worse fates

While I wish CLE was losing every game it's still an additional first and should make for a quite fun draft day.

 

[khiladi]

Here's why I disagre. Right now we have a decent running game, but outside of running situations teams aren't stacking the box. With McFadden, we could have one of the top running attacks. How does this help us against the pats? We can play keep away, while actually moving the ball (see colts game last week, or NE against the colts in the 04' playoff game). Keeping an explosive offense on the bench is a good thing, cause thay can't get into a rhythem.

Not only that, the Patriots, as obvious from the game with the Colts, are slow defensively, if a RB gets in the back-field. They are getting older and older by the second. A back like McFadden, provided the OL is holding their own at the point of the attack, would, in my opinion, run all over the Patriots.

 

[jterrell]

People say we don't need a RB, but we really don't need a WR. I know Owens is getting old, but we could easily draft somebody in round 2 or 3 like Dorien Bryant who can give this unit some more speed.

Glenn and Owens are both in the 30s. Minus Glenn our WR speed is very questionable.

Crayton is a FA to be and hasn't excelled as a 2nd WR to this point.
WR's generally take 2 to 3 years to develop: see braylon edwards et al.

Barber is a young back with very minimal wear and tear from his continued sharing of carries.

You start 1 RB but 2 or 3 WRs.

That's a very different scenario in all honesty.

The Pats have the makings of a 16-0 team with running backs no one else really wanted. Maroney was a nice pickup but no more coveted than say Mike Hart and even he has been hurt most of this season. They were scoring 40 points per week with Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk.

 

[jterrell]

Not only that, the Patriots, as obvious from the game with the Colts, are slow defensively, if a RB gets in the back-field. They are getting older and older by the second. A back like McFadden, provided the OL is holding their own at the point of the attack, would, in my opinion, run all over the Patriots.

That is complete conjecture and rather contrary to actual evidence. The Pats have the 6th best rush defense in the league. They can score quite freely and put pressure on you to keep up. Pounding away at them? Good luck keeping the score close trying. The Pats are a good physical team and driving all the way down the field against them is a losing proposition.


Right now Dallas would pick 30th and 22nd. That doesn't get you close to the top of the board.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

That's sadly but completely to the point.

DMac or say DeSean Jackson/Mike Jenkins. I can imagine worse fates

While I wish CLE was losing every game it's still an additional first and should make for a quite fun draft day.

Jenkins is a Marlon Jackson clone.. I wonder if he can run in the 4.4's..

 

[trickblue]

Glenn and Owens are both in the 30s. Minus Glenn our WR speed is very questionable.

Crayton is a FA to be and hasn't excelled as a 2nd WR to this point.
WR's generally take 2 to 3 years to develop: see braylon edwards et al.

Barber is a young back with very minimal wear and tear from his continued sharing of carries.

You start 1 RB but 2 or 3 WRs.

That's a very different scenario in all honesty.

The Pats have the makings of a 16-0 team with running backs no one else really wanted. Maroney was a nice pickup but no more coveted than say Mike Hart and even he has been hurt most of this season. They were scoring 40 points per week with Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk.

Actually, I was told that Parcells coveted him and wanted to get the band back together...

Woulda been nice...

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Barry Sanders was 5'8", Brian Westbrook 5'7", Emmitt maybe 5'10". Height is a horrid indicator of RB success and most coaches do not want tall guys. It was a knock on Peterson from many scouts.

We do not need a RB, but if we want to pair someone with Barber we can get Hart or many others to get 10 carries a game and do just fine.

We need WRs and CBs. That's how you win football games nowadays.

Hart does not and has not shown the ability of any of the Rb's you mentioned. I'm not using his height as an indicatior, I'm only citing my preference for a RB that shows more ability for his size. Hart will be a bust and wanting a RB like that for the Cowboys is a horrid idea.

 

[bbgun]

Darren McFadden rushes back into Heisman Trophy mix

Thursday, November 8th 2007, 4:00 AM


Of course, South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier had to be in shock when Arkansas junior running back Darren McFadden rushed for 321 yards against the Gamecocks, tying an SEC single-game record during a 48-36 Razorback victory last week in Fayetteville.

For all we know, Spurrier may even be regretting his decision to take this SEC job three years ago after his failed experiment with the Washington Commanders.

The 6-2, 215-pound McFadden can give you that feeling of insecurity with some of his jaw-dropping, highlight-film plays. He is the best player in the country and should be the first pick in the NFL draft. But the South Carolina game notwithstanding, it is hard to tell whether he has had a Heisman-caliber season. McFadden, the preseason favorite for the award, slipped off the radar screen after the Hogs lost their first three conference games. He has rushed for 1,316 yards and 12 TDs and thrown for two more scores for a 6-3 team that has no shot of winning the SEC West, let alone the national title. But in a year in which Heisman voters are still searching for a consensus choice, his sick numbers against the Gamecocks have brought him back into the Heisman debate. "The numbers speak for themselves," said McFadden, when asked what he would say to voters. "That's the only thing I can say to them."

Arkansas coach Houston Nutt has taken it one step further: "Darren is the best player in the country. If you took what he does for a team as a player - blocking, running, catching, throwing, kick returns - there's a reason why he was flown to New York last year (when) he was second. Now, all of a sudden he's dropped out of it? There's no way. There's wrong. I don't understand that."

 

[Rack]

If we have a chance to trade up and get McFadden, you DO IT.

 

[khiladi]

That is complete conjecture and rather contrary to actual evidence. The Pats have the 6th best rush defense in the league. They can score quite freely and put pressure on you to keep up. Pounding away at them? Good luck keeping the score close trying. The Pats are a good physical team and driving all the way down the field against them is a losing proposition.

Which first-rate running back have the Patriots faced, other than Addai? the Colts pounded the Patriots in the first half, and moved the ball well. If it weren't for the fact that the Colts dropped two easy TD passes, the game would have been 14-0. Even we ran the ball well, but got away from it, or got knicked with penalties. Please re-read what I wrote:

Not only that, the Patriots, as obvious from the game with the Colts, are slow defensively, if a RB gets in the back-field. They are getting older and older by the second. A back like McFadden, provided the OL is holding their own at the point of the attack, would, in my opinion, run all over the Patriots.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well, if there is any chance Jerry can get Darren, bet your house that he will give both of his kidneys for the kid.

Any comparisons to other players in the league (like AP) are really not fair, until DMac gets into the league himself.