Goose: Cowboys should do what it takes to move up for McFadden...

[silverbear]

sjordan6,

The Cowboys average 127.9 yards per game without him. They aren't hurting for a running back like say Green Bay is. The Cowboys have bigger fish to fry than a RB. WR, CB, and FS. Why trade up for one guy that will cost multiple #1 picks when you can take those #1 picks and fill needs with them?

Maybe to rank in the top 3 in rushing, instead of the top 10?? 127.9 yards per game ain't crap, with that offensive line they ought to averaging 150 or more...

And if they DID average 150 a game rushing, NOBODY would be able to stop their offense... Romo would have all day in the pocket when the Boys did decide to pass... even the defense would be more efficient, because the offense would be doing a better job of controlling the time of possession... to score points, a team has to have the ball...

 

[silverbear]

Again, in the age of free agency. The draft is the life blood of the NFL. You trade them away, you mortgage your future. If you want to return to being the Cowboys of the late 90s and early 2000s then start trading draft picks. Once players start leaving via free agency and you don't have any talent ready to step in and take over. You my friend, begin your downward slide back into NFL obscurity

Oh, Jesus... with an extra first round pick this year, if the Boys were to trade a first and a third this year along with a second next year, they would be out all of two extra draft picks over the next two years... this will NOT set the Cowboys back years... particularly not if the player they get for those picks turns out to be a Pro Bowl talent...

As has been noted, the Boys have a fairly deep and solid roster at the moment, which means they are now in a position to bring in a PLAYMAKER, even if it means bundling a couple-three draft picks to get him...

Jimmy Johnson said it best, you win in the NFL with PLAYMAKERS... nobody's suggesting that Jerry turn into Danny Boy Snyder, trading away draft picks willy nilly, but the occasional judicious used of multiple draft picks in an attempt to add a star is eminently justifiable at this point...

 

[theogt]

Maybe to rank in the top 3 in rushing, instead of the top 10?? 127.9 yards per game ain't crap, with that offensive line they ought to averaging 150 or more...

And if they DID average 150 a game rushing, NOBODY would be able to stop their offense... Romo would have all day in the pocket when the Boys did decide to pass... even the defense would be more efficient, because the offense would be doing a better job of controlling the time of possession... to score points, a team has to have the ball...

Thing is, we're close to being dead last in rushing in the first half. And that has hurt us in the past and will certainly hurt against good teams in the future. The difference between 2nd and 5 and 2nd and 8 can have a significant effect over time.

 

[silverbear]

I must agree with my longtime nemesis. Deion Sanders has a better chance of wearing #21 next year than Julius.

After watching Julius this year, I'm OK with that... I've seen no signs of the runner we were all so excited about late in his rookie season... I can only conclude that Parcells killed all of his instincts, and he just can't find them again...

Too bad, such a waste... but I can't really justify keeping him around any longer...

 

[03EBZ06]

Ok, let's say we end up 15th and 32nd pick ...what package (draft picks) would you be willing to give up for McFadden?

I don't think both first round picks are enough to get into top-5 pick, even then he might be gone in top-3.

 

[Clove]

I think the point people are making (and this is without reading 10 pages) is that we are GOOD enough to package picks and get the best player in the draft, and this year it's McFadden.

If the best player was a WR, then we should go after him, and so on. If we make it to the SB, guess what, we don't have many problems on this team.

I don't see very many drafted WRs on NEs squad, I see Free agents. We can always do damage in FA as well.

 

[Rack]

I think the point people are making (and this is without reading 10 pages) is that we are GOOD enough to package picks and get the best player in the draft, and this year it's McFadden.

If the best player was a WR, then we should go after him, and so on. If we make it to the SB, guess what, we don't have many problems on this team.

I don't see very many drafted WRs on NEs squad, I see Free agents. We can always do damage in FA as well.

Exactly. And it's not just a matter of going after the BPA, RB will also be a position of need at that point. We'll have MB3 and TT on the team... that's it.


I want to keep the two headed monster RB combo, but that doesn't mean you can only do it with one good RB and one average RB. Why not an Elite RB and a good RB?

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Jones will come relatively cheap, I don't think the market for him will be too high

but we can do better than him

You may be right but then again the NFL is known for overpaying FA.

 

[CATCH17]

Exactly. And it's not just a matter of going after the BPA, RB will also be a position of need at that point. We'll have MB3 and TT on the team... that's it.


I want to keep the two headed monster RB combo, but that doesn't mean you can only do it with one good RB and one average RB. Why not an Elite RB and a good RB?

If you look around the league you could argue we would have 2 elite RB's.

Marion Barber is moving his way on up and its amazing what he has done with only 100 carries.

 

[YosemiteSam]

You can tell a lot of people throwing out ideas of what will and won't work aren't engineers by trade.

 

[03EBZ06]

You can tell a lot of people throwing out ideas of what will and won't work aren't engineers by trade.

Engineers live by SWAG...Stupid Wild Arse Guess.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I think it's a waste to pick a running back early on and even dumber to trade three picks to get it done, especially since we already have a pretty good one and the running game is not nearly as important as the passing game anymore. All things equal I still go CB/FS and WR in the first round.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Engineers live by SWAG...Stupid Wild Arse Guess.

Great engineers only appear to live by SWAG. Their strength is deducting logic from chaos!

 

[jobberone]

I think the point people are making (and this is without reading 10 pages) is that we are GOOD enough to package picks and get the best player in the draft, and this year it's McFadden.

If the best player was a WR, then we should go after him, and so on. If we make it to the SB, guess what, we don't have many problems on this team.

I don't see very many drafted WRs on NEs squad, I see Free agents. We can always do damage in FA as well.

If we get lucky enough to pick up another TO and TG then I'd agree. You ususally don't get lucky enough to get a TO or a Randy Moss just lying around. But you have a valid point. There is a chance.

There is a near zero chance of getting a game changing RB in FA. You're most likely going to get that in the draft. Even a sixth rounder can turn into another Terrell Davis.

The problem I see is even if you want to pull the string you have to have enough to get there. If McFadden stays healthy and plays well he will go in the top five for sure and likely top three. I'm not sure we have the coinage to buy him. I doubt our two number ones get into the top tier of players....the elite ones plus the QBs.

Is there a QB in the draft who has the same odds of being a gamechanger? Is anyone out there near the equal of McFadden (although I'm still not convinced he's another Bo Jackson....just very close to it).

 

[khiladi]

Barber is not an "in-between tackle" runner. The guy earns his yards by running hard, bouncing off runners and eventually he is going to wear down.

A RB like McFadden adds a whole different dimension to this offense, and would be an amazing change-up to this offense. He hits the hole once he sees it, and considering our OL, a player like McFadden could break 2 long runs every game. We don't have that with Julius, who goes down on an ankle tackle. From the observations I am hearing on this forum about Julius, there have been many oppurtunities where Julius could have broken runs for really long gains, but a simple ankle tackle would bring him down.

With a player like McFadden, play-action for this team would be ridiculous.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

IMO, it seems that everyone is looking at AP and is thinking McFadden will be the second coming. When was the last time the Cowboys took the BPA in the first round? IMO the Cowboys look for needs and maybe the BPA in that need that will fit whatever scheme they are running. Therefore, I just don't see Jerry giving up his two firsts (this year) for McFadden unless he's thinking along the lines of searching for another Emmitt Smith, Tony Dorsett, type of franchise RB....

 

[dallasfan]

And I'll talk Adrian Peterson everyday of the week and 10,000 times on Sundays and Mondays.

We have a slim chance to get McFadden, but a 0% chance to get Peterson. I don't see why everyone that like Peterson more or like Marion Barber have to knock McFadden. DMac is going to be a great player, either for us or someone else.

 

[dallasfan]

IMO, it seems that everyone is looking at AP and is thinking McFadden will be the second coming. When was the last time the Cowboys took the BPA in the first round? IMO the Cowboys look for needs and maybe the BPA in that need that will fit whatever scheme they are running. Therefore, I just don't see Jerry giving up his two firsts (this year) for McFadden unless he's thinking along the lines of searching for another Emmitt Smith, Tony Dorsett, type of franchise RB....

After this draft Jerry said something along the lines of, his biggest regret was not being more aggresive and trading up to get blue chip players, when the team was doing well. Because of that, and the fact that we were interested in trading up if Peterson fell to a certain point, tells me, if the opportunity arrives, we'll pull the trigger on a trade.

 

[dallasfan]

Just remember, the draft is a teams life blood in the age of free agency. If you trade away multiple draft picks for a single player, you ARE selling your future short.

My opinion is to just let McFadden go. If you can trade up without giving up two #1s, then it's something to look at. To trade away two #1s and a #3 would be strangling your future.

But we basically got a pick for nothing. I wouldn't trade more than our 2 #1s this year, but if that gets it done I think we should. It's not like we'll need any rookie to come in and start, barring a collapse from any players.

 

[dallasfan]

Thats what I've been preaching. To me, if we could Draft Malcolm Jenkins with the Browns pick, Malcolm Kelly with the Cowboys #1 and either draft Mike Hart in the second around or sign Turner from the Chargers we would have hit paydirt.

EDIT: Though, I don't think you will get Turner to sign with the Cowboys having Barber on the roster. I'm sure he will want to go somewhere were he will be the featured back.

Why would we draft Mike Hart, he's a watered down version of MB III