Greg Ellis Trade?

[Eskimo]

So keeping a disgruntled Ellis makes the pass rush?

He isn't a pass rusher who does it off his athleticism. It's all effort.

If he is giving less than his best, which he has said he would unless he is paid, it won't matter.

So you are saying we should give in and pay him because we are scared of what becomes of our pass rush?

I suspect Ellis would still play hard because he knows he has to keep up his value for next offseason when he could be released.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Ellis for Ed Reed?

Where can I sign up for that trade at?

 

[dbair1967]

Takeo Spikes and Keith Brooking both have Pro Bowls to their credit, which Ellis doesn't.

Spikes is a great player, no question

Brooking is one of the most overrated players in football IMO...alot of his tackles he makes way down field, and he is awful in coverage

David

 

[dbair1967]

Here is 12 in no specific order

Osi Umenyiora
Simeon Rice
Michael Strahan
John Abraham
Dwight Freeny
Julius Peppers
Jason Taylor
Robert Mathis
Adewale Ogunleye
Aaron Schobel
Jared Allen
Derrick Burgess (if he can continue like last year)

and virtually everyone of them plays the pass rushing RDE side a vast majority of the time...alot of those guys are mediocre to average vs the run, and Ellis is very good vs the run

David

 

[dbair1967]

We trade Ellis and our average pass-rush tanks this year.

you got that right

we have Ware and Ellis...nobody else on this team comes close to sniffing a QB on a regular basis, and Mr Zimmer has already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he isnt worth a damn at creating a pass rush or coaching up mediocre to average guys

if we're trading Ellis, we better be getting a pressure player in the front 7 in return...or its hello 14 second pass attempts again for opponents (ala Philly 2004)

David

 

[dbair1967]

So keeping a disgruntled Ellis makes the pass rush?

He isn't a pass rusher who does it off his athleticism. It's all effort.

If he is giving less than his best, which he has said he would unless he is paid, it won't matter.

So you are saying we should give in and pay him because we are scared of what becomes of our pass rush?

I dont know that we should "give in and pay him" as you say, but getting rid of him when you only have one other guy capable of rushing the QB is plain stupid...especially when your coordinator cant get a defense to find the opposing QB with a rand mcnally

David

 

[silverbear]

seriously, teams now know if we're entertaining Ellis in a trade, that we're planning on releasing him

Show me one quote from anybody on the Cowboys saying they're looking into trading Ellis...

Just one, summer...

 

[BigDFan5]

and virtually everyone of them plays the pass rushing RDE side a vast majority of the time...alot of those guys are mediocre to average vs the run, and Ellis is very good vs the run

David

so which guy ranks below ellis?

 

[silverbear]

Now is the time to trade Ellis. It doesn't mean we'll be releasing him, it just means we want the headache out of Dallas and want something for him.

Not meaning to insult you personally, Tony, but this whole thing has gotten WAY beyond stupid...

So, you guys think the Cowboys should trade Ellis, do you?? And all because he's squawking about his contract right now??

I ask you, did the Cowboys trade Charles Haley when he was makin' a royal PITA of himself?? The moral here is you don't just ship off PRODUCTIVE players, just because they're the squeaking wheels that need greasing...

If we can't get a trade, he'll shutup and play.

The only way the Cowboys would even CONSIDER a trade is if they got a knock-your-socks off offer...

Hopefully, if we are entertaining trade options, there are some good player names floating around.

Again, do you have ANYTHING from ANYBODY in the front office, saying they're looking into trading Ellis... does anybody in here??

I ask because I sure haven't seen anything to that effect... as a result, I rather doubt that the Cowboys ARE "entertaining trade options"...

 

[silverbear]

Why do we keep talking about an Ellis trade? Jerry and Bill have both said he is not going anywhere. His salary is relatively cheap for player of his caliber and Ellis has already said that he will not hold out. Unless he turns into a jerk or distraction, all this trade talk is wishful thinking in my view.

Profoundly stupid wishful thinking, IMO... Greg Ellis is too good to just send packing, because he's griping about his contract...

Greg's remaining in Dallas was assured when they paid him that half-mil signing bonus... they knew he was a malcontent at that point, and still paid him...

 

[silverbear]

And he speculated CB.

Well, since it's probably our deepest position on defense, I guess that makes perfect sense.

LOL... this time, your sarcasm cracked me up... I thought the exact same thing when I first clicked on this thread...

 

[silverbear]

if it has to happen, pay attention to the OL for a change, bill!!!!

Exactly right...

 

[silverbear]

bye bye ellis.

Never happen... at least, not until next offseason...

 

[silverbear]

Pat Kirwan said it......I sure they will play the show over tonight. And what you said doesn't make sense. Elliss IS forcing a guarantee or a trade. How can we keep it the same after this? What do we just ignore it?

Yup, that's EXACTLY what we do... bottom line, Ellis has no leverage, short of a holdout, and he's already said he wouldn't do that... so let him run off at the mouth, and run him out on the field each Sunday...

You guys act like this is the first time a Cowboys player has ever made a PITA of himself...

BTW, I don't think you'd lie about what you heard, BigD... I believe you heard what you claimed, but I rather doubt that Kirwan was doing anything more than speculating...

 

[silverbear]

If they offered Volek for Ellis, we'd be stupid not to take it.

Yeah, I can see the Titans offering Volek up...

ROTFLMAO...

 

[silverbear]

So keeping a disgruntled Ellis makes the pass rush?

He isn't a pass rusher who does it off his athleticism. It's all effort.

If he is giving less than his best, which he has said he would unless he is paid

Gee, I must have clean missed the article where he said that he'd dog it if he didn't get a new deal... could you offer me a link to those comments??

Or did you make that up??

 

[BigDFan5]

Gee, I must have clean missed the article where he said that he'd dog it if he didn't get a new deal... could you offer me a link to those comments??

Or did you make that up??

Might be in reference to this

"The ball is in their court because I'm under contract," Ellis said. "It's just not beneficial to have a guy on their team who feels like he's not being committed to. ..."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=A1BBBCD4-DC29-C244-C6B6140A76E4DD8A

 

[Alexander]

Gee, I must have clean missed the article where he said that he'd dog it if he didn't get a new deal... could you offer me a link to those comments??

Or did you make that up??

His statement was basically that he would do what's necessary, "no more, no less".

Since he has always been a player that's got what's he achieved through effort, this isn't in our best interest to have less of what has made his successes.

 

[Bluefin]

Given all the past indications of Greg Ellis' high character and leadership role, I'll admit to being surprised at the attention he's drawn over his role on the team in the 3-4.

I perfectly understand Ellis' position, but he has to know that the chance of leaving vanished as soon as the Cowboys paid his off-season roster bonus.

Continuing to play sour grapes will gain nothing and can only hurt the team and players he reportedly cares so deeply about.

Accept the new role Bill Parcells feels you can succeed in. Hell, attack it with zealousness and maybe inspire your younger teammates.

Play all out in 2006 and the future will take care of itself, be it in Dallas or another locale.

 

[AbeBeta]

You'd think that, but he has already said it: no more, no less.

I just don't think he would be effective if unhappy. I don't care how much of a pro he is.

Maybe I'm a Polyanna -- I just don't see that in Ellis.

If he really wants out, tanking it would be the only thing that could hurt his future salary. He leaves here and he in for 7-10 mill as an SB. But if he tank it and pouts, he's going to lose some serious scratch.

Of course, I never thought I'd hear him complaining like this. So all bets might be off.