Greg Hardy 9-11 Call Transcript and Moral/legal issues thread **merged**

[TheDude]

Really? I don't recall anyone on this board being up in arms about this clear and obvious miscarriage of justice when Hardy was still the property of the Carolina Panthers.

If he signs with the bucs, 99.9999% will hope he gets the 6 games.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Really? I don't recall anyone on this board being up in arms about this clear and obvious miscarriage of justice when Hardy was still the property of the Carolina Panthers. What changed?

Wasn't important to Dallas fans.

 

[Kaiser]

Interesting on the Judge according to TheFan. She is a Women's rights activist, it was an election year, and she campaigned to be the judge on his trial.

I hadn't heard that before. It would certainly "go to motive" as they say. I googled her picture because it occurred to me there could be a racial element to her decision (I'm not making that accusation). When you see her picture, regardless of her political views she just looks like a total b$tch.

 

[Kaiser]

Is that what she was saying... I could here her screaming like a crazy person.

A person in real danger would just leave shen he was on the phone.

Fuzzy just posted a good link that had a live-tweet recap of the Bench Trial. Right from the start there is an important point, the girl was trying to leave when police arrived and said she didn't want to talk to them. The cop said "Do you want to hear what they are saying about you in Hardy's apartment?"

Then - and only then - she starts talking and making accusations of abuse.

 

[ConstantReboot]

What have I marginalized? Violence against women is a real issue, and numbers out there prove that. It is very possible that Hardy is in fact the victim in this case, but not likely considering these numbers. That being said, not once have I pointed a finger at Hardy or the woman--as so many here have.
To login to this forum, all I see is posts about how the woman lied, the judge didn't listen, she's only after his money etc. Instead of a real discussion over what's happened. I've seen very little to.nothing on the woman's perspective on here. All we know is that the charges are dropped and that's it. But what I see on the forum is a very one sided perspective--the male's perspective

There are millions of women out there that are really being abused by men. However, this woman who allegedly got beat up by Hardy is not one of them. Hardy is a pro-football player. Where are her scars and bruises and why didn't she go to emergency?

Fact is this woman probably profited by telling a lie and got away with it. She knew Hardy was big money after he signed his contract - why would she follow him from the bar to his apartment?

If you want to point the finger at someone point the finger at this woman. She did no favor to those that are truly being abused by men out there. She is the culprit in this story not Hardy. Its the woman in this story that you should be grumbling about. Not Hardy.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Hardy was convicted in his bench trial; upon his appeal the DA was prepared to take it to trial only to have his star witness fail to turn up ...but I'm the one making "poorly informed judgements".

Ok, chief. Whatever you say.

Not only did she fail to turn up she did not cooperate with the DA whatsoever. It seems like they wanted her to testify and say things but she wasn't even willing to do that. The language being used was "uncooperative". If the star witness and the abused can't even explain in court what happened why should we care?

 

[speedkilz88]

She also had civil lawyers and the first two quit on her. I wonder why?

 

[dogberry]

On the third try she found Saul.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

On the third try she found Saul.

i need to watch the latest episode. I will do that now.

 

[Chuck 54]

Please....the case was clear enough to the judge that he was found GUILTY....period.
The lady in question didn't show up for part 2, so the case was dropped.

That's a far cry from pretending he's innocent and the facts are confused; the judge wasn't confused at all. There was a settlement paid, so she went away...end of story. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance, and a beloved Cowboy, Harvey Martin was an abuser.

I welcome Hardy to the team if it is finalized, and I hope he got counseling and help for his anger in the meantime, but it is what it is.

 

[dogberry]

The Association of county commissioners in Oklahoma just fired their executive director.

One of the issues is about going to trial rather than settling cases out of court for less.

Separate item, if a prosecutor went for a felony conviction, but offered to settle as a misdemeanor, even an innocent person would have to give the offer serious consideration.

 

[Hoofbite]

He was convicted. He "reached a civil settlement" (read: paid off). People who want him don't really care what happened that night.

I agree.

You either have to believe the criminal justice system is so flawed that a conviction can be handed down with no evidence at all, or just accept the fact that there is more evidence the public is allowed access too, was found guilty because of it, and that he paid his way out.

Would he have been convicted had it gone to a jury? Who knows, but he damn sure did everything he could to make sure it didn't come to it.

 

[speedkilz88]

I agree.

You either have to believe the criminal justice system is so flawed that a conviction can be handed down with no evidence at all, or just accept the fact that there is more evidence the public is allowed access too, was found guilty because of it, and that he paid his way out.

Would he have been convicted had it gone to a jury? Who knows, but he damn sure did everything he could to make sure it didn't come to it.

It's painful when people have no clue about the legal system.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Please....the case was clear enough to the judge that he was found GUILTY....period.
The lady in question didn't show up for part 2, so the case was dropped.

That's a far cry from pretending he's innocent and the facts are confused; the judge wasn't confused at all. There was a settlement paid, so she went away...end of story. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance, and a beloved Cowboy, Harvey Martin was an abuser.

I welcome Hardy to the team if it is finalized, and I hope he got counseling and help for his anger in the meantime, but it is what it is.

The case was one sided. I followed it and it seemed that the judge disregarded his testimony and based her entire judgement based on what she said. She didn't even take into account other evidence which pointed in his favor such as he made the 911 call and his friend's testimony who was there during the altercation.

When I judge doesn't take those factors into consideration there is cause for bias. Thus the reason Hardy decided to take this case on and ask for an appeal. He knew that he wasn't wrong and the verdict against him was biased.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Actually makes me feel better about the whole scenario. People sometimes jump to conclusions and don't realize that women can be the perpetrator of domestic violence and assume that its always the man's fault.

Lotta crazy beaches out there. It's ridiculous.

 

[coogrfan]

Not really a moral/legal question, but here goes: now that Hardy's a Cowboy, how are you going to handle the media scrutiny (much of which is likely to be negative) that will be coming our way?

 

[xvendettax914]

Not really a moral/legal question, but here goes: now that Hardy's a Cowboy, how are you going to handle the media scrutiny (much of which is likely to be negative) that will be coming our way?

Think cowboyszone is used to negative media scruitny by now.

 

[DallasEast]

Not really a moral/legal question, but here goes: now that Hardy's a Cowboy, how are you going to handle the media scrutiny (much of which is likely to be negative) that will be coming our way?

The same as with any other negative media scrutiny that the team has faced since inception. Answer: Pretty well.

I wonder how many current Dallas fans, who do not like Hardy, are ready to jump ship because of this signing? Or how many won't?

 

[Idgit]

Really? I don't recall anyone on this board being up in arms about this clear and obvious miscarriage of justice when Hardy was still the property of the Carolina Panthers. What changed?

You probably missed the threads, but the discussion around those 911 tapes isn't new here. It predates any real discussion of Hardy in Dallas as a FA by a fair margin.

 

[landroverking]

What's important now is how Dallas will handle him if another case comes up.