Greg Hardy unlikely to face any ban

[Stash]

I'm opposed to signing Hardy but what kind of $$$ are we talking about to secure his services? Is he really all that?

If I had to guess? 5 years $60 - $70 million

 

[The Quest for Six]

Also amazing that a known gold digger who then went on a vacation and shopping spree gets your benefit of the doubt...

because friends of Nelly said so....please!

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Yes, but for all the controversy, what she accused him of doing, for the judge to give him that original guilty verdict of a misdemeanor crime. Really odd system they have there in NC imo.

This is the most messed up place, glad I don't deal with any thing more than traffic violations.

 

[ufcrules1]

Sign him please!

 

[Kaiser]

Didn't she say on the stand that her only injury was a broken toe nail? Which witnesses claim saw her kick his car tire that night?

She said she had no injuries from Hardy "beating her up", which is the first case in recorded history where a 270 pound professional athlete "beat up" a 130 pound cocktail waitress without causing any injuries. She also testified in court that she was doing coke that night.

 

[hra8700]

That earlier verdict was vacated in the process. And the case was dropped because the only witness was a) unavailable for the jury trial and b) had testimony from the earlier trial that conflicted with what she told officers in a police report. The 911 tape of the call Hardy made at the time of the incident also conflicted fairly significantly with her version of the story.

Hardy's a giant knucklehead, and for reasons that go beyond this particuclar incident. He might well have been guilty of the domestic violence in this case, too. But the evidence on both sides is highly unreliable, and fans have run wild with the most unflattering portrayal of the NFL player, as they're wont to do.

I haven't seen anything reported that there was an actual civil settlement in this case, either, by the way. I know the DA's office hinted they believed one existed, though the DA himself declined to speculate. Anybody know anything further on that score?

The earlier trial being "vacated" just means that he appealed. When you appeal the earlier trial is "vacated." Charges during the appeal were then dropped ONLY because the victim did not report, not because of any "conflicts." Hardys 911 calls and any "inconsistency" the victim had were evaluated by the first judge, who gave a guilty verdict. The prosecutor speculated the victim reached an out of court settlement...sure it hasnt been proven...and witnesses for mob bosses dont testify because the mob boss isnt guilty...RIGHT

 

[Stash]

because friends of Nelly said so....please!

Please, check out her own facebook page where she brags to everyone about her trips to Colorado for skiing and shopping trips to NYC.

She must be getting great tips at that waitress job of hers....

I just she's just a victim waitress who coincidentally hooks up with guys who have a lot of money....

 

[Kaiser]

He's the one guy that I would rework Romo and Tyron Smith's deals to get.

Kick the door in.

Same here. I think if they get creative they can sign Dez, Murry and Hardy by reworking Tyron's deal but still leaving Romo's alone. Something like this -

Dez cap hit of 7MM (contract with an annual value of 13MM)

Murray cap hit of 5MM (contract with an AV of 7MM)

Hardy cap hit of 6 MM (contract with an AV of 12MM)

You will have some dead money in four years, but with salary cap inflation that dead money hits you for about 70% of what it does today .

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Please, check out her own facebook page where she brags to everyone about her trips to Colorado for skiing and shopping trips to NYC.

She must be getting great tips at that waitress job of hers....

I just she's just a victim waitress who coincidentally hooks up with guys who have a lot of money....

If was born the other sex I'd love to be a victim of those crimes.

 

[Kaiser]

The earlier trial being "vacated" just means that he appealed. When you appeal the earlier trial is "vacated." Charges during the appeal were then dropped ONLY because the victim did not report, not because of any "conflicts."

No it doesn't. It means the District Attorney dropped all charges because he knew he had no chance of gaining a conviction (plus it would be a waste of tax payer dollars).

Like a lot of people here, you are confusing the settlement Hardy paid for the Civil trial (which was very likely for less money than the cost of fighting a frivolous lawsuit) and the Criminal Trial that the DA dropped the charges for. The DA did so because the sole witness had contradicted herself between her police statement and her trial statements.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Same here. I think if they get creative they can sign Dez, Murry and Hardy by reworking Tyron's deal but still leaving Romo's alone. Something like this -

Dez cap hit of 7MM (contract with an annual value of 13MM)

Murray cap hit of 5MM (contract with an AV of 7MM)

Hardy cap hit of 6 MM (contract with an AV of 12MM)

You will have some dead money in four years, but with salary cap inflation that dead money hits you for about 70% of what it does today .

In four years we will be looking for a QB any ways. The time is now.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If we have a chance to get this guy and the numbers work with our cap situation, then I think we should do that.

 

[Nightman]

because friends of Nelly said so....please!

It wasn't friends of Nelly. It was her friends and people that know her.

The whole fight supposedly started because a Nelly a song came on.

 

[Idgit]

The earlier trial being "vacated" just means that he appealed. When you appeal the earlier trial is "vacated." Charges during the appeal were then dropped ONLY because the victim did not report, not because of any "conflicts." Hardys 911 calls and any "inconsistency" the victim had were evaluated by the first judge, who gave a guilty verdict. The prosecutor speculated the victim reached an out of court settlement...sure it hasnt been proven...and witnesses for mob bosses dont testify because the mob boss isnt guilty...RIGHT

That's just not true. The prosecution had every option of pursuing the jury trial, albeit without a star witness. And it was directly reported that the inconsistencies between the police report and the witness testimony in the earlier trial played a role in their decision not to do so.

And the chat transcripts of the 911 call Hardy made are publicly available. They paint a different picture of the story, entirely.

It was also reported that he had video evidence of that night that supported him, which is pretty believable given the fact that you can explicitly hear him telling his manager to keep the girl away from him (she was trying to hit him with a high heeled shoe, according to the transcript). He's clearly trying to protect himself from just this sort of situation, and filming it with a smart phone only makes sense in that circumstance.

You can discount the charges being dropped if you care to, but the fact is we don't know why she did not show up. Perhaps she was paid off. Perhaps she did not want to have inconsistencies in her testimony exploited in a jury trial and potentially open herself up to a mess of trouble that way. Perhaps she was telling the truth and took the payoff. Perhaps she's lying and took a smaller payoff. Maybe he didn't hurt her at all that night but is still a bad character signing for other reasons.

If you've seen the DA himself speculate that she took a civil settlement, I'd be interested in that link. As I said above, I'd heard his office suggest they had evidence to suspect she did, but that could be nothing more than the fact that she embarrassingly made herself unavailable to them. All I'd heard the DA himself say on that topic was that he'd declined to speculate on the matter. Of course, that doesn't stop people from concluding the payoff happened.

 

[xwalker]

The earlier trial being "vacated" just means that he appealed. When you appeal the earlier trial is "vacated." Charges during the appeal were then dropped ONLY because the victim did not report, not because of any "conflicts." Hardys 911 calls and any "inconsistency" the victim had were evaluated by the first judge, who gave a guilty verdict. The prosecutor speculated the victim reached an out of court settlement...sure it hasnt been proven...and witnesses for mob bosses dont testify because the mob boss isnt guilty...RIGHT

In that state the initial bench (by judge) trial effectively serves as the filter similar (not same) as a Grand Jury. It is more difficult to assemble a jury trial and they use the bench trial as a filter. Many jurisdictions use a Grand Jury as a filter. In both (judge or Grand Jury) the conviction//indictment rate is much higher than in the trial by jury.

The initial bench trial is so informal that they don't even use a court reporter. Hardy's lawyers hired their own court reporter so they could prevent the witnesses from recanting on their original testimony.

Hardy might be a bad guy but there is no proof of it in this incident.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Of course, that doesn't stop people from concluding the payoff happened.

In a Walmart Parking lot, somewhere in Lancaster Texas, no doubt.

 

[Kaiser]

And the chat transcripts of the 911 call Hardy made are publicly available. They paint a different picture of the story, entirely.

You can google it and find the audio of his 911 call as well. Her story is that he was psychotic and threatening to kill her but if you listen to the tape Hardy is basically begging the 911 operator to send police to get her away from the area. That tape alone would have won the trial for Hardy IMO, and it was already publicly available.

 

[xwalker]

I'm opposed to signing Hardy but what kind of $$$ are we talking about to secure his services? Is he really all that?

Better than JPP, IMO.

I think teams will be hesitant to give him huge guaranteed money but probably don't mind paying him a big salary.


I could see a big contract (80M) that would only cost a team about 10M if they cut him after 1 year.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

sign Hardy and AP...lets stack a couple new trophies up in the show case.

 

[xwalker]

You can google it and find the audio of his 911 call as well. Her story is that he was psychotic and threatening to kill her but if you listen to the tape Hardy is basically begging the 911 operator to send police to get her away from the area. That tape alone would have won the trial for Hardy IMO, and it was already publicly available.

It's scary how many people want to judge people as guilty with minimal or no evidence.

That Lynch mob or Witch Burning mentality.