Greg Hardy unlikely to face any ban

[speedkilz88]

This is the only thing I've seen on her known injuries.

“You didn’t even break a fingernail, did you?”
– Chris Fialko, Hardy’s attorney, cross-examining Holder.

“Uh, I did break a fingernail, a toenail.”
– Holder.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Now the NFL is trying to claim he was never punished! Those morons continue to dig this embarrassing hole of incompetence deeper and deeper...

It all starts at the top.

 

[jrumann59]

Didn't she say on the stand that her only injury was a broken toe nail? Which witnesses claim saw her kick his car tire that night?

I guess when we joked about Matt Johnson's injury by hang nail here injury proves its a real injury.

 

[tyke1doe]

We have not seen any proof that he did anything, have we?

There was a trial and witnesses, and there was testimony by one of the witnesses that Hardy hit Holder. Though the second trial was dismissed, it was because the defendant disappeared.

And during the trial, testimony included guns just laying all over Hardy's apartment. I don't know about you, but, generally when people have guns displayed so casually, they are of the violent type. I'm not talking about responsible gun owners. I'm talking about those who like brandishing their guns like they're magazines.

So, no, I don't have proof. Neither do you that he didn't. But his case doesn't pass the smell test, and from what I have read about this case, I don't feel it's far-fetched to believe he assaulted this woman. And even if she's a crazy crack head, what does it say about Hardy that he's dating a crazy woman high on crack?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

There was a trial and witnesses, and there was testimony by one of the witnesses that Hardy hit Holder. Though the second trial was dismissed, it was because the defendant disappeared.

And during the trial, testimony included guns just laying all over Hardy's apartment. I don't know about you, but, generally when people have guns displayed so casually, they are of the violent type. I'm not talking about responsible gun owners. I'm talking about those who like brandishing their guns like they're magazines.

So, no, I don't have proof. Neither do you that he didn't. But his case doesn't pass the smell test, and from what I have read about this case, I don't feel it's far-fetched to believe he assaulted this woman. And even if she's a crazy crack head, what does it say about Hardy that he's dating a crazy woman high on crack?

Problem is a guy his size smacks her around, she hits a tub there would be some marks on her some where. Bruises at the minimum.
She broke a toe nail.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Before you try to get high and mighty, maybe you should see for yourself. I researched as best I could to find evidence. A hospital visit, photos, whatever evidence beyond the he said, she said nonsense and couldn't find any. If you would care to give it a try, I would be open to whatever you find.

Has nothing to do with high and mighty, it's just naïve to think there was no evidence when a judge said other wise. My post even indicated that there is a possibility that he truly isn't guilty, but you clearly what to believe what suits your desire, which is him in Dallas

 

[Manwiththeplan]

There was a trial and witnesses, and there was testimony by one of the witnesses that Hardy hit Holder. Though the second trial was dismissed, it was because the defendant disappeared.

So you're saying that at this trial, there was evidence? When people looked high and low, I guess that weren't allowed access to the courtroom during the trial or weren't given the same evidence the judge was. Weird.

 

[tyke1doe]

Problem is a guy his size smacks her around, she hits a tub there would be some marks on her some where. Bruises at the minimum.
She broke a toe nail.

I don't know how hard he hit her. He may not have hit her hard. But a witness testified he heard her being slammed against a wall. She aint slamming him against a wall. It's conceivable you can slam someone against a wall and not bruise them.

 

[tyke1doe]

So you're saying that at this trial, there was evidence? When people looked high and low, I guess that weren't allowed access to the courtroom during the trial or weren't given the same evidence the judge was. Weird.

Huh?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I don't know how hard he hit her. He may not have hit her hard. But a witness testified he heard her being slammed against a wall. She aint slamming him against a wall. It's conceivable you can slam someone against a wall and not bruise them.

I live in NC so I was stuck with this on the news all the time. Her claim is he threw her against the tub, threw her against walls, threw her all over his apartment and on top of a bed covered in guns. She's really small. I have a hard time believing a 6'4" 280? grabed her, didn't leave bruises from just that(I'm sure he wouldn't have been gentle) she hits a tub with her head is her claim, walls and a bed full of metal and all she breaks is a toe nail.
Plus he made the 911 cal to get the cops to come get her. No one is that stupid.

 

[tyke1doe]

I live in NC so I was stuck with this on the news all the time. Her claim is he threw her against the tub, threw her against walls, threw her all over his apartment and on top of a bed covered in guns. She's really small. I have a hard time believing a 6'4" 280? grabed her, didn't leave bruises from just that(I'm sure he wouldn't have been gentle) she hits a tub with her head is her claim, walls and a bed full of metal and all she breaks is a toe nail.
Plus he made the 911 cal to get the cops to come get her. No one is that stupid.

Didn't the judge say he lied about the 911 call or something about the 911 call?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Didn't the judge say he lied about the 911 call or something about the 911 call?

No, Not that I'm aware of. This girl has a pretty bad history though.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

http://www.wsoctv.com/videos/news/listen-greg-hardy-911-call/vCbCh2/

That's the link to the 911 call

 

[Nightman]

I live in NC so I was stuck with this on the news all the time. Her claim is he threw her against the tub, threw her against walls, threw her all over his apartment and on top of a bed covered in guns. She's really small. I have a hard time believing a 6'4" 280? grabed her, didn't leave bruises from just that(I'm sure he wouldn't have been gentle) she hits a tub with her head is her claim, walls and a bed full of metal and all she breaks is a toe nail.
Plus he made the 911 cal to get the cops to come get her. No one is that stupid.

People are placing way too much weigh on the bench trial. Once it is appealed it is if it never happened. NC doesn't even keep transcripts and the verdict is immediately vacated. It is similar to a preliminary trial where they are trying to find if there is enough evidence to proceed. If yes, they move on to a full jury trial, if no it is dismissed.

The judge reportedly said the friend was the most credible witness, but she even said she saw nothing. She only heard the fight.
No one will ever know what exactly happened, but there is no solid evidence to call Hardy an abuser IMO. The State doesn't just drop high profile cases without good reasons.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

People are placing way too much weigh on the bench trial. Once it is appealed it is if it never happened. NC doesn't even keep transcripts and the verdict is immediately vacated. It is similar to a preliminary trial where they are trying to find if there is enough evidence to proceed. If yes, they move on to a full jury trial, if no it is dismissed.

The judge reportedly said the friend was the most credible witness, but she even said she saw nothing. She only heard the fight.
No one will ever know what exactly happened, but there is no solid evidence to call Hardy an abuser IMO. The State doesn't just drop high profile cases without good reasons.

I agree with you. The "trial" would be like being in traffic court here. Then it gets real from there.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

People are placing way too much weigh on the bench trial. Once it is appealed it is if it never happened. NC doesn't even keep transcripts and the verdict is immediately vacated. It is similar to a preliminary trial where they are trying to find if there is enough evidence to proceed. If yes, they move on to a full jury trial, if no it is dismissed.

The judge reportedly said the friend was the most credible witness, but she even said she saw nothing. She only heard the fight.
No one will ever know what exactly happened, but there is no solid evidence to call Hardy an abuser IMO.

Yea, I get that. I just think it's crazy for anyone to think there was no evidence to say Hardy abused her. I'm not even dead set against adding him (although if I was the owner I would not), just amazed at what people will tell themselves.

The State doesn't just drop high profile cases without good reasons.

The witness refusing to cooperate is a pretty good reason

 

[Nightman]

Yea, I get that. I just think it's crazy for anyone to think there was no evidence to say Hardy abused her. I'm not even dead set against adding him (although if I was the owner I would not), just amazed at what people will tell themselves.



The witness refusing to cooperate is a pretty good reason

There was evidence. Her testimony and her friend's testimony, but not much else. After the bench trial the defense found several inconsistencies with her original statements and her testimony. The prosecution could have proceeded with out her during the jury trial and simply admitted her previous testimony but they would have to swear to it's authenticity and they weren't willing to do that.

Without a full jury trial and verdict I just don't see how anyone can justifiably call him a woman beater. You may have your suspicions and you may not want to sign him, but I don't think you can make that determination about what actually happened.

 

[Hoofbite]

You can google it and find the audio of his 911 call as well. Her story is that he was psychotic and threatening to kill her but if you listen to the tape Hardy is basically begging the 911 operator to send police to get her away from the area. That tape alone would have won the trial for Hardy IMO, and it was already publicly available.

I don't think that tape alone would have won anything because there were other tapes from neighbors who called in, and their recordings paint a different picture.

 

[Kaiser]

I don't think that tape alone would have won anything because there were other tapes from neighbors who called in, and their recordings paint a different picture.

Not from what I've read. The only real "evidence" was the girl's testimony. The other people that testified said they heard a commotion, which both defense and prosecution agree happened. If you (or anyone else) has a link to the different view you are referencing, I'm all ears. But I read a lot on this (not sure why exactly) and never saw anything beyond the girl's testimony. And that obviously has contradictions in it.

 

[Kaiser]

The witness refusing to cooperate is a pretty good reason

Hardy was accused of Attempted Murder. Do you think a DA would drop a high profile case for a charge that serious if he had a lot of evidence but an uncooperative witness?

And you said there "certainly" evidence beyond her testimony. I'm still waiting for you to post a link to what that evidence was.