casmith07
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cobra;4430083 said:Someone who runs a gimmick college spread offense does not translate into the NFL.
cobra;4430083 said:Someone who runs a gimmick college spread offense does not translate into the NFL.
Deep_Freeze;4429888 said:He ran a 4.33 which is faster than RG3, so Vick actually would still hold the record.
Not surprised by RG3 at all, he was a track guy before football.
Thanks for the backup WM.Dawgs0916;4430466 said:Its true. Hos always liked Robert, so I'm not really sure where all the hate is coming from.
Anyways, I'm beyond happy for him. I asked him yesterday what he was going to run and he said: "That's in God's hands. I prayed for a 4.2 but we'll see."
trickblue;4430677 said:The difference is that one is a real QB, the other is a fantastic athlete that plays QB...
It's not a hit on Vick, just fact...
If that happened it would be a 4 team battle every yearHostile;4430452 said:I don't care about Cleveland winning. I care about Washington not getting a QB to build around.
cobra;4430083 said:Someone who runs a gimmick college spread offense does not translate into the NFL.
He doesn't have good size. He just avoided having terrible size. Strong arm and fast, yes. But it was a gimmick offense that caused his passing numbers. If you think his passing performance is elite, then you should want to draft Case Keenum because whatever you can point to as a passer production and skill set, Case can surpass Griffin.
I think Griffin deserves to be the second drafted QB. But what I can't stand is people acting like he in the same class as Luck or a better prospect than Luck because he ran a gimmick offense.
Any team drafting Griffin has to admit that he is being drafted as dual threat. There's no shame against admitting that. It's betting against history as far as success goes, but it is reasonable risk. What is silly is the attempt to argue that he is being drafted as a pure pocket passer when he never ran a pro offense.
I agree. I don't fear Griffin. He'll have some great individual performances, but over time he'll break his teams heart.
I just hope he doesn't because a Commander because I like him and would hate for him to go to such a joke of a bottom-feeding franchise. And I'd feel bad laughing at him as he loses to us and most people as is typical.
Bluestang;4429920 said:Mobility is over rated...just look at Eli Manning.
SkinsHokieFan;4430186 said:What on earth are you arguing with me about? Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it?
I feel the same way as you do, I would never take RG3 over Luck, I'd go Ricky Williams and get Luck if I am in charge.
Luck to me translates to a mobile Peyton Manning (he simply doesn't have the super gun of an arm to be John Elway)
RG3 looks and feels like Steve Young, a mobile dual threat who can run but is pass first and will take longer to hit his NFL stride. His best days as a passer won't be in year 1, 2 or 3. It'll be well beyond that.
Luck's issue, which I hate for him, is he is going to head to the 1989 version of the Dallas Cowboys, a team that is about to gut itself and have nothing but young players, changing systems completely, a rookie head coach, rookie GM, and unable to do much in FA this coming season. And they won't have a Hersel Walker trade to help them
RG3's issue will be how he adjusts to an NFL scheme. If he was white, we would be talking about how smart he is since he is a Baylor grad and has the option for law school. Sort of like how people were describing Sam Bradford as incredibly intelligent 2 years ago.
Both these kids I am excited about. Skill set wise, talent wise, moxie wise and character wise
Hey i was a homer when i said he'd be a first round pick and Heisman candidate in the first month of the season, some of the people here dismissed him as 3rd round talent, a future defensive back...must've been reading Mack Brown's recruitment files.TheCount;4430459 said:lol, and I felt like an idiot when I was saying I'd draft him with our 1st round pick a while back. Little did I know we'd be talking 2nd overall.
casmith07;4430655 said:http://www.steelers-fan.com/images/Roethlisberger.jpg
http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2011/12/drew-brees.jpg
casmith07;4429972 said:All of this stuff is misplaced, though, because Robert Griffin can actually throw the ball, too. Over 10,000 yards passing, 78 TDs to only 17 INTs in four years.
Just because dude can run doesn't mean you have to all of a sudden dump on him. He's going to be a very good QB.
jobberone;4430799 said:He may turn out to be better than Luck.
cobra;4431264 said:*cries*
Yes. He "may" turn out to be better. In the same sense that Brandon Weedon "may" turn out to be better. That is, "anything is possible."
The fact remains, given his experience and performance in an NFL, pro style offense--his experience calling plays and reading defenses--there is a reason why he is consistently called the best QB prospect since Manning/Elway/whomever. It's because when you are projecting players, you have to make educated guesses.
And with RG3, it's a question mark because he has no experience running an NFL/pro style offense, being under center, having to make multiple reads and audibles. You cannot make an educated guess with him because there is no data to rely upon. Sure, you can say he has the skill set to do it, but you have no objective evidence of it. So, you are going on pure potential.
Any GM, overwhelmed by a mere 40 time, that would take question mark/potential QB over the best QB prospect in a decade should lose their job.
trickblue;4431274 said:I think RG3 will be a great QB at the pro level, but you hit the nail on the head. He has to adjust to being under center. He's very good at reading defenses, but it's different under center. I think he has the ability to do this as he a very intelligent kid. Luck is definitely the better "prospect" at this point.