Gun Guru's, need advice...

[YosemiteSam]

It's a shame on both fronts.

The the home owner had a gun, maybe he could have protected himself.

If the intruder hadn't had a gun, he couldn't have shot anyone.

Guns make people brave. They also allow people to be killed more easily.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Why?

You're kidding right? You think you should be allowed to carry a gun at work too? How about your postman carrying a gun?

I'm sorry, but you seem a bit to Gungho about guns. Balance is key in all situations, but you lean so far to the pro gun side that in my opinion you with a gun in public is a threat TO THE public.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Armed citizens, who for all we know have no conflict resolution training and took only one class, intervening in a hostile situation in public could have disastrous results.

I'm all for guns in homes but in the Public, i'm not so sure.

I believe Highschool and College Campuses are home to some of the most immature individuals in this country. In no way would I want my kid going to an institution that allows the student body to carry weapons.

 

[kapolani]

You're kidding right? You think you should be allowed to carry a gun at work too? How about your postman carrying a gun?

It was a simple question. I was just asking what his thoughts were. I have mixed feelings about allowing guns on school campuses.

I'm sorry, but you seem a bit to Gungho about guns. Balance is key in all situations, but you lean so far to the pro gun side that in my opinion you with a gun in public is a threat TO THE public.

I had a CCW permit for Washington. I rarely ever carried a weapon on me. Only when camping deep in country or hunting.

How can you assert that I'm a threat to the public without knowing anything about me?

When people come to my house - especially people with children - my guns are locked in my gun safe. The gun safe is in my basement behind a false wall hidden under my stairs.

Anytime I leave my home my checklist is as follows.

1) Lock all weapons up.
2) Set alarm.

It must be horrible to go through life like you, paranoid... It's okay. You might just need a hug...

 

[kapolani]

Armed citizens, who for all we know have no conflict resolution training and took only one class, intervening in a hostile situation in public could have disastrous results.

Agreed.

But, there are also responsible, law abiding citizens, that have extensive training.

I'm all for guns in homes but in the Public, i'm not so sure.

So what you're saying is: law abiding citizens shouldn't have the means to protect themselves. But, criminals who disregard the law can be armed?

I believe Highschool and College Campuses are home to some of the most immature individuals in this country. In no way would I want my kid going to an institution that allows the student body to carry weapons.

Agreed. That's why I have mixed feelings about this.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It was a simple question. I was just asking what his thoughts were. I have mixed feelings about allowing guns on school campuses.



I had a CCW permit for Washington. I rarely ever carried a weapon on me. Only when camping deep in country or hunting.

How can you assert that I'm a threat to the public without knowing anything about me?

When people come to my house - especially people with children - my guns are locked in my gun safe. The gun safe is in my basement behind a false wall hidden under my stairs.

Anytime I leave my home my checklist is as follows.

1) Lock all weapons up.
2) Set alarm.

It must be horrible to go through life like you, paranoid... It's okay. You might just need a hug...

I didn't read back far, I just saw something about not wanting guns on campus and I saw you ask why. I jumped to a conclusion...

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You must excuse that.

btw, I have a reason to be paranoid about idiots having guns. I've been been there several times when those same idiots decided to used them.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

So what you're saying is: law abiding citizens shouldn't have the means to protect themselves. But, criminals who disregard the law can be armed?

No, my exact words were "I'm not so sure".

In every country that has ever existed in history, criminals have always shirked the law and did as they pleased. This is a societal ill that has been around forever and isn't going away anytime soon.

However, society has deemed it necessary to pool all taxpayer resources into a pot and erect a Police Force, individuals who are highly trained and whose responsibility it is to deal with these individuals.

Look on the news, everyday you see citizens doing things that just don't make sense. I don't know if I want these same individuals intervening in conflicts in public that may arise.

 

[kapolani]

However, society has deemed it necessary to pool all taxpayer resources into a pot and erect a Police Force, individuals who are highly trained and whose responsibility it is to deal with these individuals.

I'm not sure I'd go as far as 'highly' trained. But, for the most part I agree with you.

I believe being a LEO is an honorable profession. But, they can't be everywhere at all times.

They can't have instantaneous responses to things like home invasions and people going 'postal' in public.

Look on the news, everyday you see citizens doing things that just don't make sense. I don't know if I want these same individuals intervening in conflicts in public that may arise.

You're using a broad brush to paint those strokes. Not all people are like that. Not all people believe conflict is the only course of action.

There are those that are responsible, highly trained individuals that just believe in their right to protect themselves from those who wish to do them harm.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I work for a City in North Texas, I would say my fellow public servants in the Police Force have a lot more training and experience then the average citizen, considering the fact that it is their job to serve and protect.

I was speaking to the Budget Manager a while back, and he was showing me how the Police Budget represents the biggest portion of the budget in the City.

If we are going to start depending on armed citizens, then dissolve the Police Force and give taxpayers there money back.

Gosh knows that most municipalities could use the budget reduction.

 

[kapolani]

You must excuse that.

I'm not going to lie.

Your comment briefly upset me.

I did my time in the military. I paid my dues defending the freedoms that others take for granted.

It was all right for us to use weapons when we were on foreign land fighting wars. But, when in my own country, people are telling me that I can't defend myself anymore?

Sorry man. But, that's a big Bravo Sierra to me.

btw, I have a reason to be paranoid about idiots having guns. I've been been there several times when those same idiots decided to used them.

I can understand.

 

[kapolani]

I work for a City in North Texas, I would say my fellow public servants in the Police Force have a lot more training and experience then the average citizen, considering the fact that it is their job to serve and protect.

How many rounds do they fire?

A week?

A month?

I'm not saying that they are worthless. I'm just saying shooting is not something you do once a few months to qualify. It's something that has to be done - repeatedly - constantly.

In the thick of training we fired thousands of rounds a week.

Former platoon mates are now LEO's (Marshalls, FBI, Swat) some of them are always telling me they need to train more.

If we are going to start depending on armed citizens, then dissolve the Police Force and give taxpayers there money back.

Citizens were armed when this country was formed.

 

[CliffnDallas]

"However, society has deemed it necessary to pool all taxpayer resources into a pot and erect a Police Force, individuals who are highly trained and whose responsibility it is to deal with these individuals."

Till I'm assigned my own personal cop to follow me around 24/7. I'll keep my CHL.

 

[Doomsday101]

"However, society has deemed it necessary to pool all taxpayer resources into a pot and erect a Police Force, individuals who are highly trained and whose responsibility it is to deal with these individuals."

Till I'm assigned my own personal cop to follow me around 24/7. I'll keep my CHL.

True, the police can only respond after the fact. You are on your own until then

 

[CliffnDallas]

True, the police can only respond after the fact. You are on your own until then

I think people put far to much faith in the police protecting them. The men and women of law enforcement do a dangerous and some times thankless job. But people must understand, the police have no specific duty to protect anyone.

Maikeru-sama, I would be interested to know if you are a native Texan?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yes, I am a Native Texas, just like my parents and their parents before them.

Though I don't see how that is pertinent, however.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think people put far to much faith in the police protecting them. The men and women of law enforcement do a dangerous and some times thankless job. But people must understand, the police have no specific duty to protect anyone.

Maikeru-sama, I would be interested to know if you are a native Texan?

Fact is there are more of us than there are of them and they can't be everywhere. I know when my dad owned a jewelry store here in Houston it took police 3 min to respond when the alarm system was set off.

My dad had it installed after 2 guys robbed the store. They tied my dad up while one of the guys kept hollering lets shoot him. Thankfully the other guy showed some control. They took a costumers car and drove off. After that we had a silent alarm with a panic button installed and a 2 way mirror with a shotgun next to it.

 

[kapolani]

Fact is there are more of us than there are of them and they can't be everywhere. I know when my dad owned a jewelry store here in Houston it took police 3 min to respond when the alarm system was set off.

My dad had it installed after 2 guys robbed the store. They tied my dad up while one of the guys kept hollering lets shoot him. Thankfully the other guy showed some control. They took a costumers car and drove off. After that we had a silent alarm with a panic button installed and a 2 way mirror with a shotgun next to it.

Response time from when my alarm is set off and the Sheriffs arrive is about 6 minutes. My motion sensor within the house was tripped when one of my dogs got out of their enclosure.

6 minutes is an eternity...

 

[CliffnDallas]

Yes, I am a Native Texas, just like my parents and their parents before them.

Though I don't see how that is pertinent, however.

I ment no disrespect. It's just that sometimes a persons view point can be influenced by where and how they were raised. Our friends from New York and Canada for example. (Not that there's anything wrong with that)

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think people put far to much faith in the police protecting them. The men and women of law enforcement do a dangerous and some times thankless job. But people must understand, the police have no specific duty to protect anyone.

Maikeru-sama, I would be interested to know if you are a native Texan?

A police officers duty is to and I quote. "Protect and Serve". So, you would be wrong in saying that. To protect the public is the entire reason law enforcement was created.

 

[burmafrd]

Wrong. If you look at what they are required to do by law and regulations- protect is not part of it. Respond to threats and incidents-that is what they are required to do.