Heard on The Break two words that just do not belong in the same sentence: Reliable and McFadden

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I didn't get the contentedness.

In the same vein, I didn't get the disdain that "Dunbar just can't stay on the field," when that's been McFadden's leading calling-card for so long, and after a season in which, in reality, Dunbar actually was the healthier of the two, 13 games to 3.

To me, the big reason Alfred Morris is still on this roster is that he is what McFadden isn't... Mr. Reliable. He answers the bell every time. He's a doubles hitter, not a home run hitter, but he's going to come in and give you a couple of series every game he's called upon, and he'll get some number of 5 and 10 yard drive-sustainers.

As said in another thread, yes Morris' spot on the roster is vulnerable, but the reality is, he's almost certainly not a cut until McFadden makes it through training camp and/or until someone else just plain takes his role away from him.

Broaddus says he's vulnerable to a Dunbar-ish, or better, a Sproles-ish player being acquired. I will agree with that during final cut week. Not until then. Again... for the reason indicated in the topic header.
 
McFadden was healthy all of 2015, and was a healthy scratch for many games in 2016.

Plus, at this stage, McFadden is a much more valuable weapon than Morris because he's a great blocker and can also catch passes - two things Morris struggles with.
 
McFadden was healthy all of 2015, and was a healthy scratch for many games in 2016.

Might want to review that. He didn't get back to the practice field until late in the season, and they didn't feel good about bringing him back to active status until just 3 weeks remained.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2016/11/22/mcfadden-practice-return-“even-if-they-wanted-me-play-defense-i-would”


As for the rest, I freely acknowledge all of that... and more or less did.

But this is just to point out that it's not quite so hunky-dorry as some have made the situation out to be. He's gotten better, but he still falls far short of anything remotely "reliable."
 
Might want to review that. He didn't get back to the practice field until late in the season, and they didn't feel good about bringing him back to active status until just 3 weeks remained.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2016/11/22/mcfadden-practice-return-“even-if-they-wanted-me-play-defense-i-would”


As for the rest, I freely acknowledge all of that... and more or less did.

But this is just to point out that it's not quite so hunky-dorry as some have made the situation out to be. He's gotten better, but he still falls far short of anything remotely "reliable."

He was cleared to play and they waited because they also liked the rookie. They ultimately elected to keep him so had to activate him and cut the rookie. We lost the rookie when he was claimed off waivers.

Rue that if you like but DMC is a more than capable backup.
 
He was cleared to return to practice, but like anyone else coming off such a long time out, they took the time they were allowed to get him back up to game condition (as they should).

I'm one of those that he doesn't get credit from for those 3 weeks as-if he was game ready, though, because he wasn't.

BUT EVEN IF your one of those from whom HE DOES get credit, the point remains, it's STILL a season that he was mostly unavailable.

That's not just a feeling or an opinion, that's the unfortunate fact.

I like McFadden a lot. And for all the reasons everyone keeps saying... more than capable, yes. BUT he's not a more-than-RELIABLE back-up, and I think I've been detecting that most people have lost appreciation for that point... too willing to overlook what, in fact, is a very big deal.
 
Might want to review that. He didn't get back to the practice field until late in the season, and they didn't feel good about bringing him back to active status until just 3 weeks remained.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2016/11/22/mcfadden-practice-return-“even-if-they-wanted-me-play-defense-i-would”


As for the rest, I freely acknowledge all of that... and more or less did.

But this is just to point out that it's not quite so hunky-dorry as some have made the situation out to be. He's gotten better, but he still falls far short of anything remotely "reliable."

He was cleared to play way before they activated him. He was healthy in the early part of October.
 
He was cleared to return to practice, but like anyone else coming off such a long time out, they took the time they were allowed to get him back up to game condition (as they should).

I'm one of those that he doesn't get credit from for those 3 weeks as-if he was game ready, though, because he wasn't.

BUT EVEN IF your one of those from whom HE DOES get credit, the point remains, it's STILL a season that he was mostly unavailable.

That's not just a feeling or an opinion, that's the unfortunate fact.

I like McFadden a lot. And for all the reasons everyone keeps saying... more than capable, yes. BUT he's not a more-than-RELIABLE back-up, and I think I've been detecting that most people have lost appreciation for that point... too willing to overlook what, in fact, is a very big deal.

If he was cleared then he was cleared. He hurt his elbow and was able to do cardio. Further, he was getting frustrated by the team dragging its feet because of the roster crunch and carped to the media.

And he got hurt diving for a iphone. It's not like he tore his knee up.
 
It's cool if you just don't like McFadden.

And it's cool to say he has a history of injuries. But it's just not accurate to claim that when it comes to his time in Dallas.

He's been healthy, and capable of playing except for the first 4-5 games of last season

Plus he just offers way more as a player than Morris does.
 
He was cleared to play and they waited because they also liked the rookie. They ultimately elected to keep him so had to activate him and cut the rookie. We lost the rookie when he was claimed off waivers.

Rue that if you like but DMC is a more than capable backup.

He's capable, which is why he's here. Morris is here because McFadden also has an extensive injury history, including the fluke diving-for-his-cellphone one he suffered last preseason.

We're much better off if McFadden stays healthy and is Elliott's primary backup, but we're also better off with Morris if McFadden can't stay healthy. I'm a little surprised we did not use a late-round pick on a back to compete with Morris and only picked up a specialty back. .... Of course, I also won't be surprised if our intent is to keep Rod Smith as the third back because he can also play fullback and be a major contributor on special teams. Considering that Morris is the backup backup plan, I would have no problem with this even though it might mean the running game is nonexistent if we lose Elliott and McFadden.
 
Fuzzy, I don't think I misrepresented anything in what I said. I acknowledged you're free to give him that credit for those 3 weeks, but you're still left with what you're left with.

And.... here's the other part to that... he doesn't get credit as-if we know he would have been healthy and not have tore his knee up in those games he missed, because we can't.

All we KNOW is that he was hurt... for whatever reason... and he was out... and that's the bottom line.

SOOOOOO... no, Alfred Morris is still here, and I contend, that's mainly because he is reliable and McFadden isn't.
 
It's cool if you just don't like McFadden.

And it's cool to say he has a history of injuries. But it's just not accurate to claim that when it comes to his time in Dallas.

He's been healthy, and capable of playing except for the first 4-5 games of last season

Plus he just offers way more as a player than Morris does.

Now c'mon. You know better. "Just not accurate" is my line, not yours, in this case.

And it's cool if I don't like McFadden... except that I DO... and so, why is it that just because a person attempts to balance out the assessment, in bringing up that not-so-pleasant point (in McFadden's case, his reliability), you PRESUME the other guy "just don't like" the player?

Be fair to what I've said, please.
 
Bottom line is that just because he wasn't on the field doesn't mean he wasn't physically capable of being out there.

The coaches held him out because they liked Jackson, Morris, and Dunbar behind Zeke.

Here are two articles. Both state that McFadden was cleared and ready to practice/play, but the team decided not to activate him.

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...placing-rb-darren-mcfadden-in-difficult-spot/

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cowboys-corner-blog/article109048582.html

One of those articles was published in September : aka, at the beginning of the season.

Now, if you're choose to believe those reports are false, and that he wasn't physically ready, then go ahead.

But all reports and quotes straight from personnel in the Cowboys organization say that he was ready.

So again, McFadden HAS been "reliable" in Dallas, he just wasn't needed for most of last year.
 
jwooten15 said:

"Here are two articles. Both state that McFadden was cleared and ready to practice/play, but the team decided not to activate him.... One of those articles was published in September... report and quotes straight from personnel in the Cowboys organization say that he was ready."

Now c'mon. You had to know I was going to ACTUALLY READ those links, didn't you?

USA Today (Sep 4)
"To get to 53, the Cowboys placed Darren McFadden on Reserve/NFI, despite the fact the player has indicted he’s healthy and ready to go."

Right. So, I guess technically, McFadden himself is "personnel in the Cowboys organization," but that's a little misleading, if not a lot misleading... McFadden himself has some self-interest in pronouncing himself healthy, and his words are not what we need to hear on the topic... personnel in the organization who we'd actually have confidence in would be, of course, coaches or trainers... heck, even if you could come up with a reporter saying "sources inside the organization have told me blah blah blah," that's at least something in the vein of what you said was there.

Star-Telegram (Oct 18)
"For his part, McFadden sounded as though he’s ready to go. “Elbow is feeling great,” McFadden said. “Just sitting back and waiting for my time to get back on the field. It’s pretty much up to the coaches. I’m ready to go, so it’s just based off their decision.” McFadden said his range of motion is “as good as it’s going to get” and that he has “great strength” in his elbow."

Right. And ditto what I just said. No one in the Cowboys organization beyond McFadden himself said he was ready. No one. Neither article says one thing about McFadden being "cleared and ready to practice/play." Not one thing.

To the contrary...

September 6 per Rob Phillips (dallascowboys.com)
FRISCO, Texas – Darren McFadden began the offseason program looking to build on last year’s team-leading 1,089-yard rushing performance.

Instead, he’ll begin the 2016 season on the Reserve/Non-Football Injury list, still not cleared to practice coming off June elbow surgery that sidelined him for all of training camp and preseason.

“Disappointed” is an understatement, according to the veteran running back.

“I don’t think disappointed is the word for it,” he said. “I was definitely hoping to be back out there for the start, but it’s one of those things (where) I’ve got to sit back and get ready all the way.”

McFadden has been working on getting strength and full range of motion back in the elbow.

“The trainers, they know more so than me as far as being able to go out there and protect myself the way I need to be,” he said...

Speaks for itself.


October 18 per Rob Phillips (dallascowboys.com)

...McFadden was placed on Reserve/NFI at the start of the season, which meant he was required to miss the first six weeks. Head coach Jason Garrett said Monday the team hasn’t made a determination yet on his status regarding a return to practice; once he does, though, the team has three weeks to decide whether to activate him to the 53-man roster or place him on injured reserve.

McFadden said he has a small hitch in his surgically-repaired elbow but doesn’t think it will affect him when he does return.

Doesn't tell us much, but it does at least tell us that no decisions had been made to that point in time regarding when he would be cleared to return to practice. And, it tells us that there was some lingering effect that still was causing some degree of concern--at least enough he thought enough to mention it.

Other than that, having googled several more articles from those months, I find zero zilch nada that clues us in to what his status was where the team was concerned. No quotes from Garrett or anyone else. What should we take from that silence? Not sure. Was there some NFL rule they didn't want to break or some other motive for them not giving any confirmation that he was healthy enough in October, or even September, as you appear to want to establish as fact? Enlighten me if you know of some reason, but I'm not aware of any. Wouldn't seem to have invited any lawsuit, wouldn't seem to have invited any action from the Commissioner's office. Could seemingly have just straight-up said, "He was hurt to begin the year, he's healthy now, and we'll activate him later when we think it's in the team's best interests to do that."

Sooooo...

You said, "Bottom line is that just because he wasn't on the field doesn't mean he wasn't physically capable of being out there." I have to acknowledge that there's validity to that. It's plausible. But so is the opposite... we just don't know if coaches and trainers actually thought he was physically capable of being out there ahead of the time he was actually... actually... cleared to return.

Back to the point of his reliability, which is why we're even having this discussion...

Regardless of whether he was ready to come back in mid-September, mid-October, or not until he actually got back in mid-November... I continue to think that what is most telling is that Morris is still on the roster... a player who practically everyone acknowledges doesn't really add anything to this roster with Zeke and McFadden in front of him. "Worried" is too strong a term, but if they weren't "concerned" about McFadden's reliability, Morris would have been replaced already with some asset that DOES add something to the roster.
 
Really hope that Darius Jackson gets cut in TC by the Browns and we scoop him back up.
There will probably be better backs than Jackson in the last round of cuts.

Jahad Thomas is a UDFA to keep an eye on.
 
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Morris stayed around last season because of the guaranteed money he got in his contract. He didn't show me anything last season and I wouldn't be surprised if the Turk takes his playbook before final cuts this year. He's done. He has no burst, he has no vision, he can't catch, can't block and he doesn't play STs. You have to ask yourself why he didn't even dress at the end of the season.
 

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