Twitter: Helman: "The most Tony Romo-esque performance I've ever seen from Dak."

KJJ

You Have an Axe to Grind
Messages
61,530
Reaction score
38,880
That may be how you feel. Some of us would disagree with you. This whole hater and homer thing (no matter how it is phrased) is just silly. It's a way to insult each other without crossing the line of the rules. I'd rather just discuss the team, which is why it is my turn to bow out of this because we're not doing that.
I find it silly that calling someone a hater or homer would get under their skin. I’ve been called a hater a lot of times because of my criticism for the team. It doesn’t bother me at all. We’re not discussing the team because of you. You’re the one who took exception to me using the word hater. It didn’t bother anyone else but you.
 

SteveTheCowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,109
Reaction score
16,161
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
For one game. If we lose the next one because our offense fails to get it done late, those claims will return.

I really hate that we give the QB so much credit and blame. Dak came up big with the game on the line, but so did Tolbert, the offensive line and Dowdle (other than the fumble), along with other offensive players. You don't win if your line can't protect the QB when you have to drive for a last-minute score. You don't win if the passes are dropped (and we've seen that before). It was a good final drive by our offense, including the player at the most important position, the QB.
You have to remind...certain people...about this when we win but never when we lose.
 

SteveTheCowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,109
Reaction score
16,161
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Dak is an overachiever when you look at his skill set. Romo was an underachiever. In the end they are very close as far as ability and results.
You mean an undrafted guy with little success versus a 4th round guy with little success?

I'd say you have that backwards really.
 

WoodysGirl

U.N.I.T.Y
Staff member
Messages
79,208
Reaction score
45,383
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Gotta say... some of the takes in this thread went in a ton of diff directions I didn't expect.

If you take what Helman said at face value, it wasn't a shot at either QB.

It was simply a comparison in how both QBs can do crazy things in the game to put the team in position to even need to bounce back and win the game.

It wasn't a 1:1 games, talent, or accomplishments.

At least I thought so.
 

pentatwirl

Well-Known Member
Messages
172
Reaction score
290
tony stank to high heaven most of that game; a lot worse than dak did
BUT he also came back from a much lower point than Dak did so really the two are not comparable
Since we're taking a trip down memory lane to bygone times:

tony-stank-iron-man.gif
 

JoeKing

Diehard
Messages
36,605
Reaction score
31,911
The Cowboys had no business coming back to beat Buffalo and yet it happened. At least the Cowboys were always in contention in last nights game in Pittsburgh. It was an ugly win but not nearly so as was the comeback in Buffalo that Tony Romo orchestrated.
 

CowboyFrog

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,334
Reaction score
11,286
Gotta say... some of the takes in this thread went in a ton of diff directions I didn't expect.

If you take what Helman said at face value, it wasn't a shot at either QB.

It was simply a comparison in how both QBs can do crazy things in the game to put the team in position to even need to bounce back and win the game.

It wasn't a 1:1 games, talent, or accomplishments.

At least I thought so.
for sure but anytime you mention Dak and Romo in the same thread its gonna bring fire.
 

gimmesix

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life
Messages
39,700
Reaction score
36,786
You have to remind...certain people...about this when we win but never when we lose.
I think either way. When we lose, fans look for a scapegoat, and it's often the QB because he's playing the most important position on offense. A good example of this IMO is Romo's playoff record, which is brought up to diss him as a QB. No one takes into account that he threw a perfect ball to Dez Bryant in the fourth quarter against Green Bay that Bryant didn't control through contact with the ground. (And yes, we can argue that it was a catch, but that doesn't matter.) Maybe we lose that game anyway, but Romo led a comeback, threw the ball where it needed to be and the receiver tried too hard to make a TD and lost control of it. (Same issue to an extent with Crayton dropping a perfect pass and then not taking his route in the end zone where it was expected to go against the Giants in 2007. Instead of a comeback win, you have another loss that is counted against the QB.)

I've said before that I think won-lost records are a terrible way to judge a quarterback because it makes it seem like they are solely responsible for either. You never hear any say of a running back, "He has 10,000 yards for his career, but he never made it past the divisional round of the playoffs. His won-loss record is only average."

I mean, Tyron Smith is a future Hall of Famer, but you don't hear anyone say, "but look at his won-loss record ... I don't know if he's worthy."
 

ShortRound

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,985
Reaction score
83,257
Alot of good and bad in the game from all areas of the team.
I'm glad Dak hung in there and got the win for us though.

Let's see if they can keep it going.
 

OGSixshooter

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,280
Reaction score
2,709
Yeah, that's why during his last 6 seasons, he led the entire NFL in game-winning comeback drives.
Yeah, that's it. You sure nailed it
"lead the NFL" is a contextual stat.

First, he has a kicker with a galactic range...that is not the QB.

Second, Dak put himself in the position to need that drive because he killed so many all by his poor play and decision-making.

You tried to change the subject ...and you could not live with your own failure...and where it bring you?

200w.gif
 

CowboyFrog

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,334
Reaction score
11,286
Alot of good and bad in the game from all areas of the team.
I'm glad Dak hung in there and got the win for us though.

Let's see if they can keep it going.
this is all that needs to be said, great win on the road, what can you build off of it?
 

CowboyFrog

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,334
Reaction score
11,286
"lead the NFL" is a contextual stat.

First, he has a kicker with a galactic range...that is not the QB.

Second, Dak put himself in the position to need that drive because he killed so many all by his poor play and decision-making.

You tried to change the subject ...and you could not live with your own failure...and where it bring you?

200w.gif
you know he was talking about Romo....
 

OGSixshooter

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,280
Reaction score
2,709
How dare you question the greatness of Romo! lol He was a better QB than Dak but that doesn’t take a lot. Both were and are losers.
Why people get caught up on them is irrelevant. To me, it's like getting caught up on debating which is better? A s-burger or a s-sandwich? Guess what...? You're still consuming you know what lol.
 

OGSixshooter

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,280
Reaction score
2,709
Dak is an overachiever when you look at his skill set. Romo was an underachiever. In the end they are very close as far as ability and results.
They are both overachievers. Romo never had the physique, pedigree or training of an NFL QB...he was self taught sort of. That's why it took THREE YEARS to retool him. To me, Romo's greatest gift was his mind-arm connection...he processes information very quickly and he's got a natural passer rubber arm. But he lacked mental toughness and was an introspective, self-soothing pouter on the sidelines during games. Dak is not that...he's many, many things...but he's not that weak mentally. Dak lacks Romo's natural passing ability...Dak relies on his training. But once the play breaks down, so does his training. I think the reason why Dak's last pass was on the money is because he was on the run and it was fluid. If he had to make that throw from the pocket 10x, he hit hits maybe 6 times. He stuck that ball on Tolbert's facemask...it was a perfect pass with perfect velocity to it...especially for a guy who just got hurt. Romo makes that pass in his sleep 9/10 times...if he hadn't already tried to squeeze it in to Ferguson on the other end.
 

OGSixshooter

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,280
Reaction score
2,709
you know he was talking about Romo....
Oh...that's even worse if he was talking about Romo. Romo was the proverbial see-saw...he was spectacular and tragic in one breath. As Troy said, "I don't put too much stock in 4th quarter comebacks because what were you doing the other 3 quarters?"
 
Top