Here's The Latest T.O. Update I've Received

[CaptainAmerica]

T.O. may not have taken Economics 101 at UT-Chattanooga.

He may be about to learn a first hand lesson in "Supply and Demand".

 

[Rack]

...from a guy who works in and has contacts in the NFL. This makes a lot of sense with how quiet things have been and the recent reports by Mort and Schefter saying this T.O. situation could take a while.
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Some people never learn. This is what I've been able to dig up.

The Cowboys offered a trade to the Eagles and had a deal in place with T.O. The Eagles declined the trade.

Dallas then figured that same deal would be in place if he was released but now T.O. and Rosenhaus want more money. The David Givens deal was the one that really triggered it.T.O. now believes he can get more money on the open market than he orgininally thought.

Here's the problem: The Chiefs are only willing to offer him a one-year deal. The Dolphins are officially out. The Broncos have been backtracking ever since Elway spoke out publicly against T.O. coming there.

Now, Dallas is cooling on him as well. Parcells doesn't want to deal with this drama and now the team is turning their attention back to re-signing Keyshawn or possibliy Eric Moulds if he's released.

This ****ing guy is crazy. Jones may change his mind and give T.O. the money he wants but as of right now, no one is in the T.O. race because his contract demands went up.

I guess some people will never change.

Best news I've read all day.

 

[SouthernStar]

Unless he wants to spend another season sitting on his *** and not drawing a paycheck.

He got paid last year. In the NFL, if you're on the roster Opening Day, you get paid for the WHOLE year. He also kept that big signing bonus he got from Philly year before last.

 

[Rack]

The articles from all the major papers, nflnetwork, espn all claim that the eagles received no offers when they reported the release of TO. I know there were some rumors from other sources prior to his release, but the mainstream guys claim otherwise.

Philly's owner (or GM, I forget) said 27 teams had inquired about TO during the combine.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I started to try to explain it to you but if it is not obvious to you why he is a knucklehead then it never will be. So I will save myself the time and effort of attempting to explain this simple ethics concept. That is the problem with ethics; the concepts are truly simple but they are difficult to explain without going into a lengthy dissertation.

Ethics are case relative and complex that certainly beg more philosophical questions than necessary in this context. It is really hard to pull the "ethics" card in this case particulary due to the fact that the NFL itself is capitalism exemplified in power consumerism. The league is a product and marketing machine that entertains to be sure but also makes a lot of people really rich.

On these grounds you can forget about making an ethical case of why TO should desire "less" money as opposed to more money for
a contract. The question of his attitude, argument with McNabb and circumventing the system in Philly through insubordination could warrant the NFL "ethics" card as defined by the league and players having been violated to be sure. The NFL community as a whole should address ethical standards in such matters with clear cut boundries and consequences.

However, some players find it difficult to reconcile how if they underperform they can be cut from a given team and have their contract terminated arbitrarily. However, if they sign a contract
and exceed expectations then there can be no negotiation for more money for better performance. I think this is why incentives could be helpful even in light of a time-sensitive fair market price. This allows the team the latitude to cut or reward the player based on play and the player a way to be rewarded for outstanding play as they are prime to be cut for poor play otherwise.

 

[JackMagist]

T.O. may not have taken Economics 101 at UT-Chattanooga.

He may be about to learn a first hand lesson in "Supply and Demand".

He also needs to learn that damaged goods sell for less than the going rate...and HE is (brain) damaged.

 

[speedkilz88]

Philly's owner (or GM, I forget) said 27 teams had inquired about TO during the combine.

Inquired doesn't mean draft picks were offered and all the major mainstream media claim that no offers were made.

 

[Rack]

Inquired doesn't mean draft picks were offered and all the major mainstream media claim that no offers were made.

The KC GM said they made an offer. Why would he lie?


You're wrong. Get over it.

 

[silverbear]

Inquired doesn't mean draft picks were offered and all the major mainstream media claim that no offers were made.

OK, we get it-- you don't believe CaptainAmerica...

Now, could you kindly give it a rest, and let those of us who ARE interested in even wild rumors think about what the guy had to say??

Has it occurred to you that the Iggles' front office might be passing out disinformation, lest their fan base get pissed that TO was released when they could have gotten a draft pick for him?? Further, has it occurred to you that maybe the mediots don't know *** they're talking about?? Certainly, we have seen many, many occasions over the years where those yokels were all saying the same things, and they were all wrong...

 

[JackMagist]

He got paid last year. In the NFL, if you're on the roster Opening Day, you get paid for the WHOLE year. He also kept that big signing bonus he got from Philly year before last.

Actually he lost one fourth of his base salary last year. He was suspended without pay for 4 games for conduct detrimental to the team. The suspension supersedes the guaranteed full year salary.

BTW the guaranteed salary can only be collected ONE time in a player’s career and he has to elect to collect it. If a player elects to collect a full year's salary for any given year (for whatever reason) that will be the ONLY time that the full season will ever be guaranteed to him. That is unless this was changed under the new CBA which I have not seen where it was one of the changes
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[silverbear]

The KC GM said they made an offer. Why would he lie?


You're wrong. Get over it.

C'mon, Rack, anybody with a lick of common sense knows that if mediots like Mort and Clayton say X, and some GM says Y, then X is the truth...

 

[Ashwynn]

Music to my ears.

 

[TRUTH87]

doesnt mean anything. Dallas looks like is the one whos offering more. TO is still a big possibility. IMO.

 

[danny0812]

KC made an offer through the media and have not been contacted by Owens or anyone connected to Owens. I live in the Chiefs market and can say 100% sure they have not made any offer directly to TO. Also have read in a dallas morning news report that Jerry is on vacation with his family and TO has not made any visits and has none scheduled as of yet. TO or no TO i just wish we would start making some kind of moves and keep up with the Commanders. wheres our saftey? wheres our o-line help? adam v.? Never thought jerry would just sit there and let all the good ones get away. And i also cant blame TO for asking for more money. If im best at what i do for a living i want more money than the flunkie who just signed before me. Hell Bryant got a pretty sweet deal and noone even mentioned that parcells had to ship his *** outta dallas for being a locker room cancer. Give TO the money and let him run amuck on the NFC east. And as far as TO going to Miami? Do you really think he would get along better with Daunte? That would be another situation like him and donovan. Just my 2 cents.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Ethics are case relative and complex that certainly beg more philosophical questions than necessary in this context. It is really hard to pull the "ethics" card in this case particulary due to the fact that the NFL itself is capitalism exemplified in power consumerism. The league is a product and marketing machine that entertains to be sure but also makes a lot of people really rich.

On these grounds you can forget about making an ethical case of why TO should desire "less" money as opposed to more money for
a contract. The question of his attitude, argument with McNabb and circumventing the system in Philly through insubordination could warrant the NFL "ethics" card as defined by the league and players having been violated to be sure. The NFL community as a whole should address ethical standards in such matters with clear cut boundries and consequences.

However, some players find it difficult to reconcile how if they underperform they can be cut from a given team and have their contract terminated arbitrarily. However, if they sign a contract
and exceed expectations then there can be no negotiation for more money for better performance. I think this is why incentives could be helpful even in light of a time-sensitive fair market price. This allows the team the latitude to cut or reward the player based on play and the player a way to be rewarded for outstanding play as they are prime to be cut for poor play otherwise.

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Bold is not better

 

[big dog cowboy]

The KC GM said they made an offer. Why would he lie?


You're wrong. Get over it.

Actually you are correct. Carl Peterson (Chef GM) was on TV and said a one year offer was on the table. Explained the offer a little and based on what he said TO will not be going to KC IMHO.

 

[Rogerthat12]

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Bold is not better

Unnecessary is better? :bang2::bang2:

 

[slick325]

I ask this question though. If Dallas had a trade in place and sent it to Philly why don't they send a similar request to GB for Walker?

 

[Rack]

I ask this question though. If Dallas had a trade in place and sent it to Philly why don't they send a similar request to GB for Walker?

Dallas offered nothing more then a low round pick to the Eagles for TO, cuz they knew they'd release him anyway.


Dallas can't make that offer to GB for Walker cuz they are not going to release him.


I'd give up a second for Walker though, in a heartbeat. Young, big, fast, productive... ACL injuries (his wasn't severe) aren't a big deal anymore. Not unless they are severe.

 

[JackMagist]

Ethics are case relative and complex that certainly beg more philosophical questions than necessary in this context. It is really hard to pull the "ethics" card in this case particulary due to the fact that the NFL itself is capitalism exemplified in power consumerism. The league is a product and marketing machine that entertains to be sure but also makes a lot of people really rich.

On these grounds you can forget about making an ethical case of why TO should desire "less" money as opposed to more money for
a contract. The question of his attitude, argument with McNabb and circumventing the system in Philly through insubordination could warrant the NFL "ethics" card as defined by the league and players having been violated to be sure. The NFL community as a whole should address ethical standards in such matters with clear cut boundries and consequences.

However, some players find it difficult to reconcile how if they underperform they can be cut from a given team and have their contract terminated arbitrarily. However, if they sign a contract
and exceed expectations then there can be no negotiation for more money for better performance. I think this is why incentives could be helpful even in light of a time-sensitive fair market price. This allows the team the latitude to cut or reward the player based on play and the player a way to be rewarded for outstanding play as they are prime to be cut for poor play otherwise.

While I agree that the NFL is not an institution that is particularly conducive to ethical behavior I would contend that there are generally accepted norms that players (agents et al) are expected to operate within. I think it is safe to say that Owens has operated well outside of these norms (standards if you will) otherwise we would likely not be having this discussion.

I contend that it is necessary that even within the cutthroat world of professional sports there has to be standards of ethical behavior. And these standards must be adhered to in order to prevent the collapse of the entire institution. It is therefore incumbent upon the institution (both labor and management) to uphold a degree integrity by not allowing a single player (even a very talented one like Owens) to undermine those standards. They can do this by simply not offering him a contract and send a message to the rest of the players that they can push only so far.

We can only hope that the league (through the individual teams) will see it this way. We should hope this for the good of the future of the league.