History repeating itself?

[Doomsday101]

Jimmy won at OSU ... Jimmy won national titles at Miami. The ginger has gone 8-8 for 3 seasons.

Jimmy best finish at OSU was 3rd place, he took over a Maimi program that went to the National Championship the year before he took over. Jimmy is a very good coach but he is not god, he has had his down times as well. Jason has been a full time HC 3 years, while I would not compare the 2 men in terms of ability I would say it is a bit unfair to overlook the years Jimmy's teams struggled or the fact he could not beat Barry Switzer. People love to make fun of Barry but he got the better of Jimmy quite often.

 

[waving monkey]

I guess anything is possible but after 3 1/2 years as a HC and a lifetime around football, he is still making stupid game / clock decisions that any Pop Warner coach would know better that cost the team at least 2 games a season. So far he he has not grown at all in that aspect. Who knows, maybe Jerry will include "Game Clock Management for Dummies" in his training literature this year?

Wasn't it Zack Martin that said" there's a lot going on there".
Yea I have been else then happy about many of his game time decisions.
Still I would assume since he is a smart man by renown that will change.
Red is being given OJT and thats frustrating for fans.
IMO he will grow.

 

[cml750]

Wasn't it Zack Martin that said" there's a lot going on there".
Yea I have been else then happy about many of his game time decisions.
Still I would assume since he is a smart man by renown that will change.
Red is being given OJT and thats frustrating for fans.
IMO he will grow.

I hope he does grow but IMHO after 3 1/2 years, it is time to put up or shut up.

 

[Califan007]

Yes they have. The last time was 83 but we've come close since the last in 07. It is more likely we will be in the 28-29+range. I'm probably a bit too optimistic with the D giving up 20ppg as well; although I did say 20+. I can't remember if we gave up 25 or 26ppg last year. Either is bad BTW. Even 22-23 will make us a handful. Losing Lee wasn't helpful.

I'm surprised the 2007 team didn't go 30+ ppg (I forgot about that squad when I asked)...they must have missed the mark by very little.

 

[ShiningStar]

Wasn't it Zack Martin that said" there's a lot going on there".
Yea I have been else then happy about many of his game time decisions.
Still I would assume since he is a smart man by renown that will change.
Red is being given OJT and thats frustrating for fans.
IMO he will grow.

wasnt Zack saying that to fred about playing center? not Garrett whos playing HC?

 

[jnday]

We are the Cowboys and this is the zone, here we don't do positive. We only look at the negative aspects of our team and ignore any negatives of our rivals. At the zone doom and gloom = reality and any positive viewpoints are only the ravings of laced kool-aid drinking Pollyannas.

If we have a middle of the pack defense I think we will be 10-6 this year. D-Law is the key and if he plays good we will be 8-8 or 9-7. However, if he has a season that would give him ROTY shine we will be 10-6 with a lucky bounce away from 11-5.

This is one of the most positive fan boards that I have found. There is no shortage of sunshine around here. A large percentage of posters on this board will give the team the benefit of the doubt even when the team doesn't deserve it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This is one of the most positive fan boards that I have found.

There are others?

 

[Doomsday101]

This is one of the most positive fan boards that I have found. There is no shortage of sunshine around here. A large percentage of posters on this board will give the team the benefit of the doubt even when the team doesn't deserve it.

There are both postive and negitive aspects to the team. I can see ways Dallas will be able to win the east and reasons why they won't.

 

[jnday]

That's a shocker.

The offense scored the 5th most points in the league although it had some problems. My guess is they improve which appears more likely than not although its not a given.

I think they will remain a very good offense for the most part. I just don't think there will be a big improvement.

 

[jnday]

Jimmy best finish at OSU was 3rd place, he took over a Maimi program that went to the National Championship the year before he took over. Jimmy is a very good coach but he is not god, he has had his down times as well. Jason has been a full time HC 3 years, while I would not compare the 2 men in terms of ability I would say it is a bit unfair to overlook the years Jimmy's teams struggled or the fact he could not beat Barry Switzer. People love to make fun of Barry but he got the better of Jimmy quite often.

Barry did a good job in Dallas. He had enough common sense to know that he shouldn't change anything and for the most part he didn't. He gets blamed for the stiff loss to the 49ers, but he sure didn't coach the early mistakes and turnovers that put Dallas behind in that game.

 

[Little Jr]

Well then how do you grade Marinelli

I think he's a great dline coach and overall great d coord.

 

[Doomsday101]

Barry did a good job in Dallas. He had enough common sense to know that he shouldn't change anything and for the most part he didn't. He gets blamed for the stiff loss to the 49ers, but he sure didn't coach the early mistakes and turnovers that put Dallas behind in that game.

Jimmy did not change much, Shula came in and coached offense, it sucked so he fired him and hired Turner so it was not Jimmy offense. Defense he did the same he delegated to Wannstead and Davis to run the defense. I like Jimmy don't get me wrong but Jimmy really was more about how to get players to play to their ability than any X's and O's. For the most part Barry was the same, it was not his wishbone at OU it was Bud Wilkerson wishbone that Barry stayed with but again as goofy as Barry could be at times he got players to play hard for him.

 

[KJJ]

Anyone else seeing some similarities in how this team is put together and the 91 Cowboys?

QB...check

Running game...check

OL becoming a strength...check

Explosive receivers...check

A young and fast defense with something to prove...check

If we get that wave on the DL working I can easily see 11-5 and a couple of playoff games.

Some of you never stop dreaming. There's no similarities what so ever in how the 91 Cowboys were put together and this team. The 91 Cowboys were an up and coming team that had gone from 1-15 in 89 to 7-9 in 90 to 11-5 and a playoff team in 91. That team had a proven HC in Jimmy Johnson not some puppet who was learning on the job. Jimmy had the Cowboys heading in the right direction in his 3rd season unlike Garrett who has the team continuing to spin it's wheels heading into his 4th year. The 91 Cowboys had a 25 year old Troy Aikman who was entering his prime not a 34 year old QB who's coming off back surgery and who's best days are behind him. The 91 team had a 22 year old Emmitt Smith who was just scratching the surface on a HOF career. Demarco Murray is no Emmitt Smith and with Dez and Tyron's extensions on the way Murray will likely be gone after the 2014 season. The 91 team had an OL that was developing into what would arguably be the greatest OL in NFL history.

The 91 defense was loaded with young talent and had great depth with a front 7 that would blow away what the Cowboys currently have and Charles Haley hadn't even arrived yet. The current Cowboys are coming off the worst defensive season in franchise history and just lost their 3 best defensive players this offseason including what was their Charles Haley. Their top free agent signing is coming off an ACL and is a downgrade over the player they had at the position. Call me negative all you want I'm just telling it straight the 2014 Cowboys aren't remotely similar to the 91 team. The 91 team was an up and coming team while the 2014 team appears to be a declining team. Many were picking the 91 Cowboys to make the playoffs while hardly anyone is picking the 2014 team to make the playoffs.

 

[ShiningStar]

We are the Cowboys and this is the zone, here we don't do positive. We only look at the negative aspects of our team and ignore any negatives of our rivals. At the zone doom and gloom = reality and any positive viewpoints are only the ravings of laced kool-aid drinking Pollyannas.

If we have a middle of the pack defense I think we will be 10-6 this year. D-Law is the key and if he plays good we will be 8-8 or 9-7. However, if he has a season that would give him ROTY shine we will be 10-6 with a lucky bounce away from 11-5.

this poster still cracks me up.

still has the mentality my opinion is fact, others are wrong. I dont like the wya you people posts, so im leaving to get the opinions i want to hear.

Cracks me up everytime.

 

[KJJ]

In before the Jimmy and JG comparisons begin.

There isn't any comparisons.

 

[Doomsday101]

There isn't any comparisons.

True comparing a guy who has been full time HC for 3 years does not compare to a guy who has been a HC for 20 years.

 

[KJJ]

True comparing a guy who has been full time HC for 3 years does not compare to a guy who has been a HC for 20 years.

Jimmy had only been an "NFL" HC for 3 years heading into the 91 season and inherited a team far worse than the team Garrett inherited. The team Jimmy inherited was so bad he had to blow it up and start from scratch with a rookie QB.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jimmy had only been an "NFL" HC for 3 years heading into the 91 season and inherited a team far worse than the team Garrett inherited. The team Jimmy inherited was so bad he had to blow it up and start from scratch with a rookie QB.

and Jason year 1 record was not as bad as Jimmy. Dallas and Jason have cut loose guys who they felt were a determent to their team and simple fact Jimmy had been a HC for years before coming to Dallas. I also do not recall Jason getting a sweetheart deal with a Walker type trade where we not only got Minn draft picks plus our own we also could keep players we got from Vikes or cut them loose in exchange for a draft pick. Hell Mike Lynn did a lot to help rebuild the 90's Cowboys.

I like Jimmy a lot and he has earned the respect from winning but it has not always been peaches and cream for him as a young HC.

 

[CyberB0b]

Jimmy had only been an "NFL" HC for 3 years heading into the 91 season and inherited a team far worse than the team Garrett inherited. The team Jimmy inherited was so bad he had to blow it up and start from scratch with a rookie QB.

Yes, but Jimmy, like most successful head coaches, had been coaching for well over a decade (24 years, to be exact) before getting his shot as an NFL head coach.

 

[foofighters]

Anyone else seeing some similarities in how this team is put together and the 91 Cowboys?

QB...check

Running game...check

OL becoming a strength...check

Explosive receivers...check

A young and fast defense with something to prove...check

If we get that wave on the DL working I can easily see 11-5 and a couple of playoff games.

You've just disrespected that 90's team. Our current team isn't even in the same ballpark as that team. In fact, we probably never see a Cowboys team like that again.