Holding out hope for RW

[casmith07]

As long as Miles Austin keeps going over 1000 with 10+ TDs, Roy can be a 7-8TD guy all day long.

Stop getting wrapped around the axle about someone's contract and see the big picture: the overall receiving group.

 

[Hoofbite]

Strapping on my homer helmet, the one thing that gives me hope is this ... I agree that he has built a career based largely on physical talent. I'm not saying the guy doesn't work at all, but I clearly think he doesn't put in the kind of time to master every technical detail like you hear the great ones doing. I think Austin has lapped him about seven times in this regard.

But what gives me a glimmer of hope is that somewhere inside that "I'm the all-world Roy that tore up Odessa" is a prideful guy, money be damned. You saw some of that come out when he talked about his family members dogging him, and you saw that in his face as he stood helplessly on the sideline while the rest of the offense was sticking daggers in the Eagles.

Again, mind you that my homer hat is on right now, but I can only hope he internalizes that feeling and uses that to have an offseason of work like he's never had before.

(Disclaimer: The only reason I fail to call him lazy is because I'm not there, knowing what's going on. I don't know that he does less than the minimal that is required, but the results tell me he's not doing a whole heckuva lot more.)

Good post. I totally agree about him looking like a beaten man on the sidelines and I can only imagine how he felt after watching himself in that position as Joe Buck and Aikman continuously reamed him.

I really think that him hitting rock bottom will be the thing that sparks him the most. I think you can look at the Roy Wiliams from the past week ago and see a completely different animal than the Roy Williams from two months ago.

The guy from last week knows it is his fault where the guy from a couple months ago found reasons why it couldn't be his fault.

He's beginning to take ownership for his sub-par play and again, I think this will only help him.

 

[Hoofbite]

As long as Miles Austin keeps going over 1000 with 10+ TDs, Roy can be a 7-8TD guy all day long.

Stop getting wrapped around the axle about someone's contract and see the big picture: the overall receiving group.

I disagree.

Lost in the "he's got 7 TDs" argument is the fact that all but one of those TDs has come from inside the opposing 10 yard line.

I will repeat this fact because I believe it is quite important.

All but one. Six of the seven TDs that Roy Williams has scored this year has come from inside the opposing 10 yard line.

Seattle: 7 Yard TD
Green Bay: 9 Yard TD
Oakland: 6 Yard TD
Giants: 4 Yard TD, 5 Yard TD
Washington: 4 Yard TD

This guy has been starting all season and almost all of his scoring has come from right next to the endzone. That is not starting quality no matter how you slice it.

Right now Roy Williams is a situational player who has been receiving starting player playing time. Reducing his snaps has been something that has helped this offense a lot. I think Dallas should only bring the guy in when they get inside the redzone because that is the only place where he has shown to be anything close to capable.

Simply looking at his TDs and concluding that he is getting the job done, or is playing well enough is no different than those whose only argument for Garrett has been "we're #3 in offense". Looking at part of the story is good way to stroke your ego but it doesn't change the fact that Dallas is pretty damn average in terms of scoring.

You wanna talk about big picture, well lets start looking at it.

 

[stilltheguru]

I disagree.

Lost in the "he's got 7 TDs" argument is the fact that all but one of those TDs has come from inside the opposing 10 yard line.

I will repeat this fact because I believe it is quite important.

All but one. Six of the seven TDs that Roy Williams has scored this year has come from inside the opposing 10 yard line.

Seattle: 7 Yard TD
Green Bay: 9 Yard TD
Oakland: 6 Yard TD
Giants: 4 Yard TD, 5 Yard TD
Washington: 4 Yard TD

This guy has been starting all season and almost all of his scoring has come from right next to the endzone. That is not starting quality no matter how you slice it.

Right now Roy Williams is a situational player who has been receiving starting player playing time. Reducing his snaps has been something that has helped this offense a lot. I think Dallas should only bring the guy in when they get inside the redzone because that is the only place where he has shown to be anything close to capable.

Simply looking at his TDs and concluding that he is getting the job done, or is playing well enough is no different than those whose only argument for Garrett has been "we're #3 in offense". Looking at part of the story is good way to stroke your ego but it doesn't change the fact that Dallas is pretty damn average in terms of scoring.

You wanna talk about big picture, well lets start looking at it.

Casmith like others always just look at the stats as the whole story. They know NOTHING about the game of football. And that is the truth.

 

[802dave]

"I have to take my game to another level," Williams said. "I have to do that, and it starts this Sunday and this is pretty much a playoff game for this football team. Hopefully, I can win the confidence of my peers here and the fans and even my family. They were getting on me. My brother is getting on me hard, and my mom is getting on me. I've got to get these people off me, and the only way I can do that is play my game."

I was glad to hear that his family was getting on him; that seemed to change his tune and stopped him from complaining about only getting 3 or 4 chances a game and he can only do so much... I don't expect an immediate change this year, but he could be a changed player for next year. Stay on him Williams family!

 

[Doomsay]

I disagree.

Lost in the "he's got 7 TDs" argument is the fact that all but one of those TDs has come from inside the opposing 10 yard line.

I will repeat this fact because I believe it is quite important.

All but one. Six of the seven TDs that Roy Williams has scored this year has come from inside the opposing 10 yard line.

Seattle: 7 Yard TD
Green Bay: 9 Yard TD
Oakland: 6 Yard TD
Giants: 4 Yard TD, 5 Yard TD
Washington: 4 Yard TD

Great stat compilation here!

I didn't realize that it was that biased towards the short score. I think that part of his success here, and Tony's willingness to throw to him, is related to his size advantage, but another significant element must be the reduced route error potential in a shortened field. Tony can trust that he will be relatively in the right place, because Roy doesn't have the time or the distance to mess the pattern up. Another thought is that the high passes to Roy in the Endzone have a lower probability of getting picked off if he deflects them with his "best on the team" hands.

 

[DallasEast]

If RW shows up big in the playoffs, everyone forgets about the lackluster regular season.

This is a perpetual falsehood. Regardless of topic or interest, practically no one ever develops amnesia, whether voluntarily or involuntarily.

In any given situation, one can only guess how much complaining shall remain active in the future. It could be more prevalent, less evident or somewhere in-between, but it never fully disappears.

As long as Miles Austin keeps going over 1000 with 10+ TDs, Roy can be a 7-8TD guy all day long.

Stop getting wrapped around the axle about someone's contract and see the big picture: the overall receiving group.

Good luck. Remember this snapshot of some fans' opinions which I posted last March?

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[stilltheguru]

This is a perpetual falsehood. Regardless of topic or interest, practically no one ever develops amnesia, whether voluntarily or involuntarily.

In any given situation, one can only guess how much complaining shall remain active in the future. It could be more prevalent, less evident or somewhere in-between, but it never fully disappears.
Good luck. Remember this snapshot of some fans' opinions which I posted last March?

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Oh please. Any real fan off football would forget Roys horrible play if he has an incredible postseason. What the hell do you think people can say? "Yeah he has 500 plus yards and 7 postseason tds but look what he did in the reg season". Yea keep thinking that.

 

[DallasEast]

Oh please. Any real fan off football would forget Roys horrible play if he has an incredible postseason. What the hell do you think people can say? "Yeah he has 500 plus yards and 7 postseason tds but look what he did in the reg season". Yea keep thinking that.

'Forget' is the wrong word. Try again. Or perhaps I'm wrong. Let's see. In this case, if Roy Williams were to have a credible postseason, would you be willing to state, "Damn Jerry Jones. Kicking Terrell Owens to the curb was the second best thing you could have ever done with the team's receiving situation (with retaining Miles Austin being the first)".

Get a grip. Let just say that Williams does very well in the postseason. That means you're automatically going to "forget" everything you have posted during the past 14 or so months about the man in the contrary (of which the forum's archives are literally FILLED with examples)? Do you comprehend what the word "forget" means?

 

[Doomsay]

I don't think that anybody really cares about the huge blown opportunity cost of the Roy deal right now, it's just a question of how much we should play him and in what situations. Similar to the Colombo returning vs. Free & the Phillips vs. Marty B arguments, its the here and now that counts.

What I really liked in the Philly game was the way we sat Roy and to a lesser degree Barber. I'd like to see some other LB get a few snaps in front of Barbie who will again be torched this weekend (or again apply next to 0 pressure on Nabby), but I think that that is too much to ask for. I'd also like to see Ware rested a little more in certain situations so that he is a little fresher in passing downs - a la the New Orleans game. But the Barber and Roy relative snap reductions were a good sign of playing the players that make plays vs. keeping the highest paid vets on the field at all cost IMO.

 

[stilltheguru]

'Forget' is the wrong word. Try again. Or perhaps I'm wrong. Let's see. In this case, if Roy Williams were to have a credible postseason, would you be willing to state, "Damn Jerry Jones. Kicking Terrell Owens to the curb was the second best thing you could have ever done with the team's receiving situation (with retaining Miles Austin being the first)".

Get a grip. Let just say that Williams does very well in the postseason. That means you're automatically going to "forget" everything you have posted during the past 14 or so months about the man in the contrary (of which the forum's archives are literally FILLED with examples)? Do you comprehend what the word "forget" means?

I would EASILY say getting rid of TO was a good idea. The proof will be in the pudding. When the hell have I denied facts? People get mad cause I talk trash about Romo choking.........well he is finally showing something late in the season for the first time in his career. People get mad because I trash Roy Williams.......well he deserves it. People get mad because I defend TO...........well he is a hard working hall of famer.


Why would I not forget everything that I posted about Roy? Hell, I already said I was done hating him anyway. It's common knowledge to anybody who knows a lick of football that I was right about him from the jump. Even he knows it now.lol Now hopefully his heart will suddenly appear from the depths of his soul and he actually plays with his 6'3 frame.

Romo proved me wrong and I am glad that he did.

 

[DallasEast]

I would EASILY say getting rid of TO was a good idea. The proof will be in the pudding. When the hell have I denied facts? People get mad cause I talk trash about Romo choking.........well he is finally showing something late in the season for the first time in his career. People get mad because I trash Roy Williams.......well he deserves it. People get mad because I defend TO...........well he is a hard working hall of famer.


Why would I not forget everything that I posted about Roy? Hell, I already said I was done hating him anyway. It's common knowledge to anybody who knows a lick of football that I was right about him from the jump. Even he knows it now.lol Now hopefully his heart will suddenly appear from the depths of his soul and he actually plays with his 6'3 frame.

Romo proved me wrong and I am glad that he did.

How can you remember something you have forgotten?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If teams decided to aggressively take Miles Austin out of the game, I really like the match up between Roy Williams and a lesser corner.

However, I think the bigger issue is that Tony Romo appears to have lost confidence in Roy Williams because of their inability to get on the same page during the Season.

If Miles Austin is being doubled teamed, that will either allow Jason Witten to get open, Roy Williams to get open or open up the running game. With those 3 scenarios, I believe Roy Williams is going to be the odd man out because I think Tony Romo and the Coaching Staff trust the Running Game and Jason Witten more then Roy Williams.

I think he will make some big catches during this Playoff Run but how many times will he be targeted and how many drops will he have?

 

[stilltheguru]

How can you remember something you have forgotten?

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[tomson75]

I'm a fan of Roy Williams.

I'm very rarely not a fan of Cowboys players. Only the rare miscreant can overtake my love for this team.

I still have hope for Roy Williams.

....but I'm certainly not expecting much.

 

[DallasEast]

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Exactly.

Try not to butcher the english language simply to put down a player.

 

[newlander]

good post and thread "jchocolate": most all of us are rooting for him, but he's just in hole right now confidence wise. Hope he snaps out of it pronto because I expect double teams on Austin this Sat. That leaves RW, Crayton and Witten single covered: should be gravy IF he catches what comes his way that is

 

[theogt]

No, you said they decided before the game not to throw to Roy - there is no evidence at all that any such decision was made.

Maybe Roy wasn't open in the window in which Romo could throw it or maybe he was in the wrong spot. Maybe Romo wasn't sure if Roy was going to make the right choice on an option route and went elsewhere.

We do know Roy caught no passes. The one time Roy was targeted he was on a totally different wavelength from Romo on an important 3rd down, I think.

Actually, I didn't say anything about "before the game." I just said that someone decided he wasn't getting the ball and he didn't. He was open quite a bit. He had favorable coverage quite a bit. And he only had one pass thrown his way. The only explanation I can think of is that someone consciously chose not to get him the ball regardless of whether he was open or not. I can understand why they would choose not to throw him the ball. It just seems silly to keep him on the field (likely to keep from hurting his feelings) if you are going to make that decision.

And Tony threw that one pass attempt away. Roy was wide open, streaking into the endzone. It was an easy pitch and catch TD. Tony just threw it away. I can't remember if he was under pressure or not, though.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Actually, I didn't say anything about "before the game." I just said that someone decided he wasn't getting the ball and he didn't. He was open quite a bit. He had favorable coverage quite a bit. And he only had one pass thrown his way. The only explanation I can think of is that someone consciously chose not to get him the ball regardless of whether he was open or not.

And Tony threw that ball away. Roy was wide open, streaking into the endzone. It was an easy pitch and catch TD.

 

[Disturbed]

I am tired of every WR discussion having TO brought up (please let TO go). RW was a good college WR at Texas...better size and speed to overcome his opponents. In the NFL, he needed to learn to run better routes and improve his craft (take it to the next level).

His WR coaches have not been able to get him to run good routes, focus and adjust to defenses (he is always on a different page than Romo), and catch the ball first before trying to run. RW is not a rocket scientist, he needs special attention (lots of it) and coaching to help him....expecting him to get things on his own will guarantee failure.