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Alexander

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burmafrd;1136039 said:
Look at Vinny's numbers vs Q. And remember that we were trailing a lot in 2004 and that always hurts. In 2003 we had a weak schedule and a good D. SOmething we did not have in 2004. Frankly, over all, Vinny could have been seen to do a better job then Q did. Had we been able to beat NO and the Giants, we would have made the playoffs and both games were very close.

They are actually very much in favor of Testeverde.

But again, the team dynamic was not the same. Throwing to Keyshawn Johnson and Quincy Morgan for much of a season is not the same as having Terry Glenn and Joey Galloway for an entire season.

Put Carter on that 2004 team and watch the carnage.
 

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Alexander;1136053 said:
They are actually very much in favor of Testeverde.

But again, the team dynamic was not the same. Throwing to Keyshawn Johnson and Quincy Morgan for much of a season is not the same as having Terry Glenn and Joey Galloway for an entire season.

Put Carter on that 2004 team and watch the carnage.

It really was two different situtations. The Cowboys had a strong running game the second half of 2004. Much stronger than the first half of 2004 or all of 2003. Julius was a threat and Witten in his second season stepped up his game. Yet Vinny played worse in the second half of 2004. Neither QB was good for Dallas and neither are currently in the NFL.
 

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Alexander;1136046 said:
You mean that terrible horrible worst QB ever Vincenzo Testeverde was not leading us to those two outputs?

No. I doubt he could have from New York.
 

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Hostile;1135904 said:
II'm not stating an opinion here. I'm relaying to you exactly what was told to me. How is that "my opinion?"
I stand corrected then... you are stating probable MISINFORMATION and presenting it as known, verified FACT. Apologies. ;)

As for the 3 year rule.... ROTFLMAO \. Tuna and Landry wouldn't apply that rule to a guy coached by Jerruh and Campo for his first two season.

Regardless of the petty and irrelevant debate on the matter... it's simply amazing how the mention of the word Quincy Carter gets people all agitated still :)
 

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peplaw06;1136035 said:
QC pulls out that game:laugh1:

You conveniently forget that the Giants were up by three with what 10 seconds left... they kicked off out of bounds, QC threw one deep out, and Billy Cundiff kicked the FG to get us into OT where he kicked another.

In fact Cundiff kicked 5 FGs. If anyone was MVP of that game, it was split between the Giants kicker and Cundiff. Sorry Hos ;)

Hey, Billy kicked 7 FGs in that game. Don't cheat the kid. :D
 

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chinch;1136065 said:
I stand corrected then... you are stating probable MISINFORMATION and presenting it as known, verified FACT. Apologies. ;)

As for the 3 year rule.... ROTFLMAO \. Tuna and Landry wouldn't apply that rule to a guy coached by Jerruh and Campo for his first two season.

Regardless of the petty and irrelevant debate on the matter... it's simply amazing how the mention of the word Quincy Carter gets people all agitated still :)

Because a lot of us would love to put that behind us, there was nothing good about that part of this franchise history. It was like watching a car stuck in the mud just spinning it's tires. He gone and Dallas has moved on
 

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Doomsday101;1136069 said:
Because a lot of us would love to put that behind us, there was nothing good about that part of this franchise history. It was like watching a car stuck in the mud just spinning it's tires. He gone and Dallas has moved on
I know... alot of fans haven't moved on though...

Hopefully Romo will take us past this negativity and offer some promise at the QB position missing for almost a decade now.
 

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Doomsday101;1136069 said:
Because a lot of us would love to put that behind us, there was nothing good about that part of this franchise history. It was like watching a car stuck in the mud just spinning it's tires. He gone and Dallas has moved on

With Vinny as the QB it was more like a horse and buggy stuck in the mud.
 

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chinch;1136078 said:
I know... alot of fans haven't moved on though...

Hopefully Romo will take us past this negativity and offer some promise at the QB position missing for almost a decade now.

I agree. I hope Romo is the guy we can all rally around something we have not seen since Aikman was here.
 

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joseephuss;1136066 said:
Hey, Billy kicked 7 FGs in that game. Don't cheat the kid. :D

Whoops, sorry.... even moreso then.

I knew for some reason the math wasnt working out in my head, but I wasn't catching it ;)
 

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superpunk;1136062 said:
No. I doubt he could have from New York.

You are way too dry today, obviously.

The issue here is even with the likes of Eddie George, no Terry Glenn and no running game for the large part of a season, Testeverde never got shut out.

We went through a grueling stretch where we not only got shut out, but we also had contests where we scored 31 points in FOUR games (21 came against Washington). And this was with better weapons at Carter's disposal.
 

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joseephuss;1136079 said:
With Vinny as the QB it was more like a horse and buggy stuck in the mud.

Well Vinny and for the most part Bledsoe was brought in as stop gaps. This could have been avoided had Dallas planned ahead of time when Troy was still with us.
 

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Doomsday101;1136080 said:
I agree. I hope Romo is the guy we can all rally around something we have not seen since Aikman was here.

The idea that Sean Payton wanted to start Romo even then should be a signal of how low we were.
 

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Alexander;1136086 said:
The idea that Sean Payton wanted to start Romo even then should be a signal of how low we were.

Well the page has been turned we move forward from this point and hope Romo shows he is the man to lead this team. I think he passed his 1st start with flying colors we get to see if he can put back to back games together this weekend once again in a hostile setting against a division rival
 

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chinch;1136065 said:
I stand corrected then... you are stating probable MISINFORMATION and presenting it as known, verified FACT. Apologies. ;)

As for the 3 year rule.... ROTFLMAO \. Tuna and Landry wouldn't apply that rule to a guy coached by Jerruh and Campo for his first two season.

Regardless of the petty and irrelevant debate on the matter... it's simply amazing how the mention of the word Quincy Carter gets people all agitated still :)
Amazing. No, it really is amazing. This guy is still beyond reproach by his fans. Nothing he does wrong is ever his fault. Simply amazing. Then you have the temerity to act astonished that the meer topic raises agitation. How do you people pull off such piety?

For once just be honest. The agitation exists because criticizing this player is taboo to some. Tell it like it is. Until you do, the critcism is just going to continue at agitation levels.

This guy single handidly carried the 2003 team on his back despite no talent around him. A Herculean feat. Yet no NFL team will touch him. Hey, not his fault. He's teflon. Nothing sticks to him.

Bill didn't draft Derek Ross or Jamar Martin, but the 3 year rule applied to them, not to Q because he was coached by Jerruh and Campo. Uh, so were they. Conveniently forgotten. That rule applies to everyone else, not Q. All part and parcel of the mania.

People at Valley Ranch are "misinformed" and have no idea why he was released. Forget the fact what they said actually came true. That's a coincidence. They got lucky. The truth is there was a conspiracy by Jerry to get rid of him, and it hurt Bill deeply. Did you see him at that Press Conference? A broken man. He didn't heal the wounds until Tony Romo beat the Panthers. He's back...rejoice. The spirit of Quincy lives.

My favorite aspect of this entire mania is the cluelessness of the entire NFL world of this man's absolute greatness. Hell, they even by osmosis have deluded the CFL of a potential star. He lasted 2 weeks in their training camp and 6 days in Tuna's 2nd TC. But hey, those 20 days were legendary. Chuck Norris trembles at the mere mention of this man's name and wets his pants at the sight of him.

Hell, that's why no NFL team will take a chance on him. He'd make a mockery of the entire NFL as he carries the league triumphantly to newer and better heights. Heights mere mortals cannot reach.

Cut because he simply wasn't very good and in 3 years hadn't shown that he was going to get it? Blasphemy, sheer blasphemy.

[/extreme sarcasm off]
 

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Here is why people have a hard time believing you...QC fan or not.

Nobody, besides Hostile on The Zone has ever reported this so called 'fact'.
How is it Hostile is so much in the know?

I am sorry but I don't have that much faith in you. The events that I witnessed in terms of the way he was cut and the things I have read do not point toward your 'fact' being accurate.

You can present it as fact if you want but I don't buy it.
 

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goshan;1136144 said:
Hostile
Here is why people have a hard time believing you...QC fan or not.

Nobody, besides Hostile on The Zone has ever reported this so called 'fact'.
How is it Hostile is so much in the know?

I am sorry but I don't have that much faith in you. The events that I witnessed in terms of the way he was cut and the things I have read do not point toward your 'fact' being accurate.

You can present it as fact if you want but I don't buy it.
You're correct, I didn't report it in March when I was told. Why not? Holy cow what would the reaction have been? I'd have been denegrating a deity. It's 2 years later and look how you're reacting to this.

I shared the information when I got it with another poster. As I said, it's his call if he wants to verify that or not. There were 2 QBs talked about to bring in and be the guy, the other signed with another team. They then waited for Vinny. I've shared this same info several times since then. This thread isn't the first time.

I asked you to simply put 2 and 2 together and I presented to you plenty of circumstantial evidence to back it up. For example...

Bill's 3 year rule.
Henson being Jerry's guy.
Vinny being Bill's guy.
Them not wanting to get rid of Romo.
The restrictions of the CBA precluding Jerry from notifying Bill of a failed drug test.
Bill & Jerry both maintaining it had nothing to do with that positive test.

You don't need to believe me. Does it pass the smell test? That's all I ask you to consider. Forget my "source" for a minute and look at those factors alone.

You're trying to tell me there was a conspiracy to eliminate him based on a failed marijuana test. How on earth can you buy that? That doesn't pass the smell test. In every other case of a drug suspension on this team the player has come back to contribute. Why not this one guy, the starting QB for crying out loud? Why is he different? Over weed? The starting QB. The most important position on the field. He was good enough, but the weed did him in?

Come on man, how naive are you? Irvin came back from a suspension for coke, but this guy gets waived for weed?

Yeah, it has nothing whatsoever to do with his talent level, or his grasp of the game, or Bill's 3 year rule. Bill loved the guy, but he couldn't have weed on his team.

Lawrence Taylor, Lawrence Taylor, Lawrence Taylor...

But his waiver isn't about his talent level?

You do realize that it was either him or Romo that would have been released in 2004 right? From where I sit they made the right choice.

Like I said before, believe whatever you want, but sell it to someone who the synapses don't fire for. The team did in fact report that he was being waived because of his "performance." So don't tell me that "fact" was never reported on this forum or anywhere else. I guess you didn't witness that or you think the management of your team are a bunch of liars.

How convenient, and how incredibly sad.
 

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Q was cut because he showed himself to be unreliable. Simple as that.
 
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