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Vinny was a class act and worked his tail off. He gave all he had. For that cowboy fans should thank him. The fact that he was not a good QB should not count as much as the effort he put forth. Q did not do as good despite being on a better team with a weaker schedule. ANd he was not mature, or stable enough to keep around. and that was that.
 

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I'm still amazed at the emotion that Quincy Carter's time on the Cowboys stirs up.

I'm also amazed at the rewriting of the 2003 season that gives Quincy Carter all the credit. And I liked Quincy and was hopeful that he could become a solid starter.

The 2003 season was about a very good defensive effort, a somewhat efficient offense that held the ball in terms of time of possession, and a weak schedule. Quincy had his moments that year, including the Giants game, but overall we could not compete with elite teams. In fact the elite teams pretty well crushed us.

Whether Quincy could ever been a good starter, we'll probably never know, and that's Quincy's fault.
 

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burmafrd;1136742 said:
Vinny was a class act and worked his tail off. He gave all he had. For that cowboy fans should thank him. The fact that he was not a good QB should not count as much as the effort he put forth. Q did not do as good despite being on a better team with a weaker schedule. ANd he was not mature, or stable enough to keep around. and that was that.

To Quincy's credit, Parcells said that he worked very hard during that 2003 season. They talked about how he did lots of film study and in the following off season got in better shape. He had his problems, but he did work his tail off.
 

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joseephuss;1136753 said:
To Quincy's credit, Parcells said that he worked very hard during that 2003 season. They talked about how he did lots of film study and in the following off season got in better shape. He had his problems, but he did work his tail off.
On that I agree wholeheartedly.
 

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dboyz;1136744 said:
I'm still amazed at the emotion that Quincy Carter's time on the Cowboys stirs up.

I'm also amazed at the rewriting of the 2003 season that gives Quincy Carter all the credit. And I liked Quincy and was hopeful that he could become a solid starter.

The 2003 season was about a very good defensive effort, a somewhat efficient offense that held the ball in terms of time of possession, and a weak schedule. Quincy had his moments that year, including the Giants game, but overall we could not compete with elite teams. In fact the elite teams pretty well crushed us.

Whether Quincy could ever been a good starter, we'll probably never know, and that's Quincy's fault.

Dallas was only crushed in two games that season. It occurred in back to back games starting at home on Thanksgiving to Miami and then at Philly. And Miami was not an elite team. Jay Feidler just played out of his mind. He obviously does not normally play at that level.

Dallas was in every other game that season and that was mostly due to the defensive effort. Even in the two shutout losses at Tampa and at New England, the defense kept the games close. If the offense could have done anything they may have pulled out victories. Too many turnovers lost those games also put the defense in bad positions, but the scores were only 16-0 and 12-0.
 

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So, in your opinion, why was he released by the Cowboys, Jets, and the CFL team he signed with?

Why is he currently unemployed?

The Jets must have been right, cause they are 8-16 since he left and we are 19-20, so I guess we were right too,since Vinny,Henson and now Bledsoe can't get us to the playoffs since Quincy left. HMMMM. Look at all the talent that the defense has now, but they struggle. The 2003 defense was tops, right,except against the Dolphins with Fiedler on Thanksgiving or against Carolina in the playoffs. The D coordinator said that his mistake was doubling down on the outside receivers, caused Carter picked them apart underneath to the tune of 254 yards passing and 2 tds. For a guy who can't play, he somehow gets it done,despite no rb.
 

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peplaw06;1136035 said:
QC pulls out that game:laugh1:

You conveniently forget that the Giants were up by three with what 10 seconds left... they kicked off out of bounds, QC threw one deep out, and Billy Cundiff kicked the FG to get us into OT where he kicked another.

In fact Cundiff kicked 5 FGs. If anyone was MVP of that game, it was split between the Giants kicker and Cundiff. Sorry Hos ;)

Before Cundiff can get into field goal range, there's got to be enough offense to get us there. The offense sure didn't come thru Hambrick. How can you discount 321 yards passing?
 

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kartr;1136779 said:
The Jets must have been right, cause they are 8-16 since he left and we are 19-20, so I guess we were right too,since Vinny,Henson and now Bledsoe can't get us to the playoffs since Quincy left. HMMMM. Look at all the talent that the defense has now, but they struggle. The 2003 defense was tops, right,except against the Dolphins with Fiedler on Thanksgiving or against Carolina in the playoffs. The D coordinator said that his mistake was doubling down on the outside receivers, caused Carter picked them apart underneath to the tune of 254 yards passing and 2 tds. For a guy who can't play, he somehow gets it done,despite no rb.

But he doesn't get it done because he is not playing.
 

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Sorry, but, this little gem must never be left out of a Crankcase post...
;) Oh, so true....




To the tune of "Casey at the Bat"

The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Dallas offense that day,
The score stood seventeen to fourteen with two minutes left to play,
And when Johnson dropped an errant pass, and Glenn dropped one, too,
Quincy's fans cried "Conspiracy!", while his critics could do naught but boo,

The crowd steadily dwindled, but those who remained,
Prayed for a miracle, a freak thunderstorm with rain,
They thought, "If only Troy or Roger were here to take control,"
They had no faith in the offense with Quincy running the show,

But Troy was in Foxboro, watching the Pats play in the snow,
Roger was running his business and watching his money grow,
So upon the remaining crowd, the pall of despair descended,
For there seemed little chance of scoring so long as the other team defended,

But Jones broke a long run, and the crowd gave a sigh,
Then Keyshawn snagged an out, though it was thrown a little high,
And when the offense huddled, and the refs had spotted the ball,
The Cowboys were past the fifty, to the amazement of all,

Then from the remaining partisans, there rose tumultous cheers,
It rumbled through Texas Stadium, and roared in Quincy's ears,
It made his spirit soar, and it made his heart pound,
He took his place among the other greats that had also heard this sound,

Now his faced looked calm, and as he bent to take the snap,
He saw the cornerbacks playing tight, and tackles playing the gap,
He saw the linebackers playing man under, and the safeties in cover two,
He saw Glenn in the slot, and he knew what he had to do,

Quincy gave a hard count, and the center snapped on three,
A quick playaction to Jones, and Glenn was running free,
Quincy wound his mighty arm and let the football fly,
It sailed over Glenn's head, about five feet too high,

"Kill him! Kill Terry Glenn," cried Quincy's loyal fan base,
And they likely would have killed him but for the look on Quincy's face,
With a quick pat to his own chest and a friendly slap to Glenn's head,
Quincy took the blame even though his critics were seeing red,

With a deprecating smile of humility, Quincy's visage beamed,
And his fans knew he was not at fault, but had taken one for the team,
And as he stepped back under center, with Keyshawn to his right,
His fans remained certain that there would be a victory party that night,

The center hiked the ball, and Quincy dropped back,
Keyshawn split the seam, and exploded through the crack,
He was streaking down the field, the corner was far behind,
But Quincy dumped it in the flat to Anderson, the only receiver he could find,

"Coslet!" screeched Quincy's loyal fans, too angered to clearly see,
That Mo was in the booth because Coslet was fired in Oh-Three,
But Quincy raised his hands for quiet, and his fans applauded his aplomb,
They knew that on third and nine, Quincy would finally launch a bomb,

Quincy lined up in the shotgun, with Glenn and Johnson split wide,
Witten was lined up on Quincy's left, and Jones was at his side,
The ball was snapped on a silent count as soon as the ref blew his whistle,
Glenn and Johnson streaked downfield, and Quincy launched a missile,

Oh, somewhere in the state of Texas, there must be a happy crowd,
Somewhere fans are cheering, somewhere they are proud,
Somewhere a team has a victory, and well-earned accolades are accepted,
But that somewhere isn't Dallas, because Quincy's pass was intercepted.

 

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Unbelievable

Let’s simplify this….

Roger Staubach = Fleet Admiral William Frederick Halsey, Jr. (Navy Guy:D )

Troy Aikman = General George Smith Patton, Jr.

Quincy Carter = PVT. Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.
 

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http://i89.***BLOCKED***/albums/k215/eduncan22/QuincyCarter2.jpg

The greatest line from the Star Wars series: "You Were the Chosen One"! I can hear the despair in Obi Wan's voice to this day.
 

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dboyz;1136744 said:
I'm still amazed at the emotion that Quincy Carter's time on the Cowboys stirs up.

I'm also amazed at the rewriting of the 2003 season that gives Quincy Carter all the credit. And I liked Quincy and was hopeful that he could become a solid starter.

The 2003 season was about a very good defensive effort, a somewhat efficient offense that held the ball in terms of time of possession, and a weak schedule. Quincy had his moments that year, including the Giants game, but overall we could not compete with elite teams. In fact the elite teams pretty well crushed us.

Whether Quincy could ever been a good starter, we'll probably never know, and that's Quincy's fault.


Not too many teams on that 2003 schedule were "weak"
 

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kartr;1136779 said:
The Jets must have been right, cause they are 8-16 since he left and we are 19-20, so I guess we were right too,since Vinny,Henson and now Bledsoe can't get us to the playoffs since Quincy left.HMMMM. Look at all the talent that the defense has now, but they struggle. The 2003 defense was tops, right,except against the Dolphins with Fiedler on Thanksgiving or against Carolina in the playoffs. The D coordinator said that his mistake was doubling down on the outside receivers, caused Carter picked them apart underneath to the tune of 254 yards passing and 2 tds. For a guy who can't play, he somehow gets it done,despite no rb.
I would love, and I do mean love, for you to walk up to a Cowboys defensive player from 2003, or any NY Jets player from 2004 and say to them that the only reason they were in the playoffs those years was Quincy Carter.

Hell, I would pay your plane fare to wherever it had to happen if someone would film it. If it was Roy Williams you would say that to I would fly there to be with you to film it for everyone.

Translation, take your clueless act somewhere else and sell it to someone who doesn't have enough brain power to pass a urine test.

The idea that the Jets are floundering because they cut Quincy Carter is surpassed in ridiculousness only by the idea that this team is suffering without him. You're suffering without him. The team is doing just fine.

For your education, when a team has a bad record they play an easier schedule the following season. In 2002 we stunk. Blame Campo, blame Jerry, blame Hutch. I don't care who you blame. It meant in 2003 we had an easy schedule and we welcomed a Hall of fame Head Coach. Lo and behold that meant in 2003 we won enough games to qualify for the playoffs. I will explain why we won enough games in a minute.

It also meant that in 2004 we were going to play a much tougher schedule, and we did. In 2004 the team forgot how to play defense without Darren Woodson and we couldn't rely on the defense to win games for us like they did in 2003.

Want proof? Oh I'm more than happy to take you to school krankcase. In 2003 our offense scored a meager 289 points. Not much better in 2004 under Vinny with 293. In other words, stasis on offense.

However on defense there was a huge swing. In 2003 we allowed only 260 points. In 2004 we allowed 405 points. Do the math. Tell you anything? If it doesn't go to your mirror and repeat the word duh over and over.

Oh and for your gee whiz collection since you love to say Q is better than Bledsoe, explain to me why the offense in 2005 scored 325 points. Q was better, but we scored less? Q was better, but Bledsoe had better stats? How does that work? Try not to get dizzy from the spin control.

Okay now let me address the absolutely ludicrous contention of yours that the 2004 Jets were playoff contenders because of Q and are floundering because he was waived. In 2003 the Jets were the worst team in the AFC East. That meant they had the easiest schedule for that division in 2004. You're trying to tell me that a player who has the following stats line is the reason that team made the playoffs?

Year...2004
Games played...7
Passes attempted...58
Passes completed...35
TDs...3
INTs...1

You think that accounted for 10 wins do you? Impressive accomplishment for 7 games. No, let's look at what he really did in the games he started at QB. There are links so you can see the evidence for yourself.

Game 1, a 20-17 loss in overtime to the Ravens (9-7), he was 13 of 22 for 175 yards with no TDs.

Game 2, a 10-7 win against the Browns (4-12), he was 11 of 20 for 116 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT.

Game 3, a 13-3 win against the Cardinals (6-10) where he was replaced by Brooks Bollinger, he was 8 of 12 for 133 yards with 1 TD.

So you want me to believe that 141 yards passing per game, and 2 TDs passing over 3 games carried the Jets to the playoffs?

Remember that the Jets started 2004, 5-0 with Penington winning every game. That's the snow job you're trying to sell me? Hell, Q lost to the only team over .500 that he faced.

For crying out loud, he took over for Pennington in the 8th game of the season against Buffalo. The Jets were 6-1 at the time. Pennington got hurt and the Jets ended up losing. To Drew Bledsoe of all people. The guy you say Carter is better than because he beat him in a game once. Oh yeah, the other loss was to Kyle Boller, another QB you think is worse. Just using your own logic, or lack thereof, against you, so don't pout.

No, you want to know why the Jets made the playoffs in 2004? Because Chad Pennington was on fire early and so was Curtis Martin, 1697 yards rushing with 12 TDs plus 245 yards receiving and 2 more TDs. It had very little to do with a guy who got replaced by Brooks Bollinger in his 3rd start for that team. Very little.

The main reason for the Jets crash in 2005? Glad you asked. How about Pennington only getting 3 games and Martin being hurt as well?

No charge for the football lesson. I can't help you with grasping this.
 

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EveryoneElse;1137156 said:
Just wow.

CFL. He got cut from the C-F-L. Thats all anyone needs to know.

Q was only cut because it was determined that it would be an unfair advantage with him on the team.

It is a well known fact that the NFL banned QC because he is the ultimate superior athlete.
 

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I always felt that Q was a terrific game manager. Even in his limited stint on the Jets, he managed I believe a 3-1 record as a starter (only loss was to the Ravens, and after a wierd ending where Herm Edwards staff didn't get a play into him at the goalline on 3rd and goal at the 2... ended up an OT loss) and kept the team in the playoff hunt pending Pennington's return.

Q had alot of potential... the drug test HAD to be the deal breaker there. Bill had plans for Quincy and probably had his patented heart to heart about "you just keep being prepared, and do what you're supposed to do from here on out" and Q couldn't do it. If you listened to BP's press conferences from that year, you'd know what I meant. "He's doing what he's supposed to be doing.", etc.

Bottom line: No way Bill wanted to cut Q, but frankly Jerry Jones's Dallas Cowboys cannot have a "druggie QB". A druggie rb, ok... lb, ok... wr... no prob. But not at the arguably most elite postion in pro sports.

This is the truth, no matter what anyone believes.
 

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"Game 3, a 13-3 win against the Cardinals (6-10) where he was replaced by Brooks Bollinger, he was 8 of 12 for 133 yards with 1 TD."

I guess this will be my first post, and it's about Quincy Carter no less. Go figure.

Let me just get this out of the way, I was a Q fan... I thought the guy had potential, but it's his own fault that he didn't live up to it. And I certainly don't but into the hyperbolic arguments that he was the worst QB "evah".

But to say he was "replaced by Brooks Bollinger" is completely disengenous on your part... Carter was actually knocked out of that game for awhile, only to come back into it.

There are plenty of other arguments to make, but to bring that up, is well... silly.
 

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Trendnet;1137301 said:
"Game 3, a 13-3 win against the Cardinals (6-10) where he was replaced by Brooks Bollinger, he was 8 of 12 for 133 yards with 1 TD."

I guess this will be my first post, and it's about Quincy Carter no less. Go figure.

Let me just get this out of the way, I was a Q fan... I thought the guy had potential, but it's his own fault that he didn't live up to it. And I certainly don't but into the hyperbolic arguments that he was the worst QB "evah".

But to say he was "replaced by Brooks Bollinger" is completely disengenous on your part... Carter was actually knocked out of that game for awhile, only to come back into it.

There are plenty of other arguments to make, but to bring that up, is well... silly.
:welcome: to the board!!!!!!!
 

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we really need a .gif file that has a guy come to the screen and then hold up a sign that says "don't P.O. Hos..."
 

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Troy Aikman= Admiral Raymond Spruance, USN
Spruance was the cool calm commander who did not make mistakes- just like Aikman. Halsey made too many at critical times. (More like Bledsoe)
Roger Staubach = Patton. Firey and never quits. Only real difference was that Georgie liked to cuss. But both were very religious.
 
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