Holy Cow, Quincy was just on 103.3...

[Maikeru-sama]

Even though Quincy wasn't very good, it sort of disturbs me to see the vitriol being spewed against him as time goes on on various cowboys message boards. I've seen people wish death upon him, never getting another shot at the NFL, remarks about him going back to Atlanta or whever and ending up selling crack on the street, and all sorts of stuff. And someone always mentions how he never had a shred of talent, which also isnt true. The guy is REALLY talented. At least physically, anyways. Pretty strong arm, pretty good set of wheels. Unfortunately, he makes too many mistakes with the ball. I dont know if I would want the guy starting a whole season for me, but I certainly wouldnt mind him as backup getting the occassional spot-start. I hope he gets another shot in the NFL, I just hope it ISNT with us.

Im glad I missed most of the above unfortunate comments. But I agree with most of what you said.

Quincy has talent to play in the NFL, but his mental shortcomings (paranoia, fear of competition etc etc) and substance abuse problems are the main reason the guy is not in the league anymore. He also had some issues with the amount of money he was being paid as compared with someone else on the roster.

I think if you give him the "Romo" treatment, he turns out to be a decent quarterback. He should have never been placed in the situation he was in and Jerry's comments after that draft stating "a player we may not see the likes of again for a couple of years -- if even then." and constantly hyping the guy up really hurt him as well. The above statements by Jerry were also detrimental as sources say that Jerry indeed knew about Quincy's drug problems and he even entered the league in the Substance Abuse Program.

I think Carter could have been part of the "long term" but once Parcells saw his mental weaknesses, I think it was a matter of time before he was done in Dallas. Carter is his own worst enemy and you cannot have a guy with these problems leading your team.

- Mike G.

 

[joseephuss]

You're correct, I didn't report it in March when I was told. Why not? Holy cow what would the reaction have been? I'd have been denegrating a deity. It's 2 years later and look how you're reacting to this.

I shared the information when I got it with another poster. As I said, it's his call if he wants to verify that or not. There were 2 QBs talked about to bring in and be the guy, the other signed with another team. They then waited for Vinny. I've shared this same info several times since then. This thread isn't the first time.

I asked you to simply put 2 and 2 together and I presented to you plenty of circumstantial evidence to back it up. For example...

Bill's 3 year rule.
Henson being Jerry's guy.
Vinny being Bill's guy.
Them not wanting to get rid of Romo.
The restrictions of the CBA precluding Jerry from notifying Bill of a failed drug test.
Bill & Jerry both maintaining it had nothing to do with that positive test.

You don't need to believe me. Does it pass the smell test? That's all I ask you to consider. Forget my "source" for a minute and look at those factors alone.

You're trying to tell me there was a conspiracy to eliminate him based on a failed marijuana test. How on earth can you buy that? That doesn't pass the smell test. In every other case of a drug suspension on this team the player has come back to contribute. Why not this one guy, the starting QB for crying out loud? Why is he different? Over weed? The starting QB. The most important position on the field. He was good enough, but the weed did him in?

Come on man, how naive are you? Irvin came back from a suspension for coke, but this guy gets waived for weed?

Yeah, it has nothing whatsoever to do with his talent level, or his grasp of the game, or Bill's 3 year rule. Bill loved the guy, but he couldn't have weed on his team.

Lawrence Taylor, Lawrence Taylor, Lawrence Taylor...

But his waiver isn't about his talent level?

You do realize that it was either him or Romo that would have been released in 2004 right? From where I sit they made the right choice.

Like I said before, believe whatever you want, but sell it to someone who the synapses don't fire for. The team did in fact report that he was being waived because of his "performance." So don't tell me that "fact" was never reported on this forum or anywhere else. I guess you didn't witness that or you think the management of your team are a bunch of liars.

How convenient, and how incredibly sad.

That is why I made the point that he wasn't going to be suspended that season. He was only facing losing 4 game checks. He wasn't going to miss any playing time. They didn't have to wait for him to come back. That really points to the failed drug test not being the primary reason he was cut.

 

[khiladi]

How can Quincy cause this much agitation? Last time I checked, he sucked... He got cut by a team in the CFL... The CFL... and he said it was
a disgrace...

Speaking of which, Ryan Leaf has much better 'talent' to make it in the NFL than Quincy...

 

[joseephuss]

Im glad I missed most of the above unfortunate comments. But I agree with most of what you said.

Quincy has talent to play in the NFL, but his mental shortcomings (paranoia, fear of competition etc etc) and substance abuse problems are the main reason the guy is not in the league anymore. He also had some issues with the amount of money he was being paid as compared with someone else on the roster.

I think if you give him the "Romo" treatment, he turns out to be a decent quarterback. He should have never been placed in the situation he was in and Jerry's comments after that draft stating "a player we may not see the likes of again for a couple of years -- if even then." and constantly hyping the guy up really hurt him as well. The above statements by Jerry were also detrimental as sources say that Jerry indeed knew about Quincy's drug problems and he even entered the league in the Substance Abuse Program.

I think Carter could have been part of the "long term" but once Parcells saw his mental weaknesses, I think it was a matter of time before he was done in Dallas. Carter is his own worst enemy and you cannot have a guy with these problems leading your team.

- Mike G.

These kind of guys also don't make good back ups. Until he corrects these problems, no team is going to want him.

 

[k19]

...but I walked in to literally the last couple of words.

Did anyone hear it?

You could actually undrstand words comming from his mouth? Wow he's come a long way

 

[Hostile]

That is why I made the point that he wasn't going to be suspended that season. He was only facing losing 4 game checks. He wasn't going to miss any playing time. They didn't have to wait for him to come back. That really points to the failed drug test not being the primary reason he was cut.

Aw gotcha.

I wish I had paid attention to that detail then. It amplifies my stance doesn't it?

 

[the kid 05]

I think you underestimate just how good Q Carter was. He was extremely mobile and he had a big time arm.

If you have any of the 2003 games on dvd/tape, check them out.

Vinni was a disaster at QB.

wow, as much as i liked quincy he was just mobile enough to matter, not "extremely mobile" extremely mobile is left for the running back playing Quaterback in ATL

 

[Derinyar]

I still always find it funny that people defend someone who at his best topped out at below average.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Beat the over under.

Carter made his bed, he isn't coming back here. Can't imagine any circumstance where that would happen. And that is all I am concerned about.

My understanding is that teams were informed that if they signed Carter he would have to serve a 4 game suspension immediately. So he really wouldn't be much help even as a backup.

It also is my understanding that if he was out of the league a certain amount of time, he would not have to serve a suspension. I don't know how long that would be. And I am not 100% sure that this is true. I do remember there being an article on it at the time.

Carter had enough physical talent, and I have no doubt his arm was stronger than Romo's. I think if he had been able to sit for a few years and learn behind a vet QB he might have been a decent QB. The Romo plan would have been good for Carter also. The thing is, I don't think Quincy was exceptional in any aspect, and I think his decision making was going to be suspect for his entire career, not matter how long that was. Romo has a quick release, and it seems like he reads the defense well and very quickly.

Carter is a sidenote in the history of the Cowboys and hopefully someday will be remembered about as much as the "Babe's" stint as Cowboys QB.

 

[Alexander]

Carter is a sidenote in the history of the Cowboys and hopefully someday will be remembered about as much as the "Babe's" stint as Cowboys QB.

Not likely.

He will always have his adoring legions of the clueless who still carry a torch and even have signature lines lamenting that he was "The Chosen One".

 

[Yeagermeister]

Not likely.

He will always have his adoring legions of the clueless who still carry a torch and even have signature lines lamenting that he was "The Chosen One".

Yeah but chosen for what is the question

 

[burmafrd]

at least as long as Kartr and his clones live.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Quincy is over, now why isn't this thread?

 

[Alexander]

Yeah but chosen for what is the question

Mister Jones thought he was getting the next Donovan McNabb, which still annoys me because he was nothing like McNabb in college except for very early in his career.

 

[eduncan22]

Q dawg led us to the playoffs in 2003.

It's one of my favorite seasons [coming off 3 5-11 seasons without any hope] as we were not picked to do anything that year.

If we'd had a decent rb that year [did we really need to sack Emmitt after 2002?], who knows how far we could have gone.

The fact that he was sacked during the next Training Camp in 2004, should not take away from what he did in 2003.

 

[Hostile]

Q dawg led us to the playoffs in 2003.

It's one of my favorite seasons [coming off 3 5-11 seasons without any hope] as we were not picked to do anything that year.

If we'd had a decent rb that year [did we really need to sack Emmitt after 2002?], who knows how far we could have gone.

The fact that he was sacked during the next Training Camp in 2004, should not take away from what he did in 2003.

I'll take this as a no to my 2nd question, which answers my first question too.

 

[ravidubey]

I agree...he was definitely one of the lowpoints of this franchise

he can say nobody doubts his "ability" but he'd be wrong...somebody wouldnt sign him if they really thought he could play...it wasnt like he was Steve Howe

the guy just sux

David

Low points would be Steve Walsh, Reggie Collier, Ryan Leaf, Clint Stoerner, Chad Hutchinson, and Antonio Wright.

Quincy Carter was like Steve Pelleur, good enough to kill a coach. Despite his flaws, he outclassed the prior-mentioned wastes of uni's.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Low points would be Steve Walsh, Reggie Collier, Ryan Leaf, Clint Stoerner, Chad Hutchinson, and Antonio Wright.

Quincy Carter was like Steve Pelleur, good enough to kill a coach. Despite his flaws, he outclassed the prior-mentioned wastes of uni's.

I dont know man.

When the Cowboys announced Vinny Testeverde as the starter, I just didnt think the Franchise could get any lower then that.

That move "stunk" of absolute desperation .

- Mike G.

 

[Hostile]

I dont know man.

When the Cowboys announced Vinny Testeverde as the starter, I just didnt think the Franchise could get any lower then that.

That move "stunk" of absolute desperation .

- Mike G.

Not to mention Ben Gay, Metamusil, and Depends.

 

[junk]

I dont know man.

When the Cowboys announced Vinny Testeverde as the starter, I just didnt think the Franchise could get any lower then that.

That move "stunk" of absolute desperation .

- Mike G.

Still managed to put up stats eerily similar to Carter.

Where is the Vinny love?

Personally, I think they both sucked.