Holy Holm knocks out Rousey

[CATCH17]

Rogan has an interview with Dana White after the fight on his podcast Joe Rogan Experiment.


You can find it on iTunes for free and or with a simple Google.

 

[Risen Star]

I've seen plenty where the opponent drops down and delivers a strike until the ref slides in to stop the fight.

There's a difference between a downed opponent and an unconscious opponent. If you are striking an unconscious opponent you are a complete POS who should be barred from the sport.

 

[Risen Star]

I've always been taken aback by the strikes to an unconscious fighter, but it's certainly not out of the norm.

I'm always surprised the refs don't intervene sooner.

I heard some criticism of Herb Dean for allowing it. People are chalking it up to the disbelief of what was happening since Dean is about as good as it gets in MMA officiating.

But it's on the fighters too. I couldn't count how many times I've seen a fighter recognize someone was out and pause for an unaware or out of position official to get there to stop the fight. Holm didn't do that. She knew she was out and tried to pummel her. That's all I need to know about her. I sincerely hope that comes back on her at some point and she is the one out and still getting drilled repeatedly.

 

[Risen Star]

I do not find submissions boring. However I do admit for those not into that style will not find it as exciting as a standup fight.

Well, Ronda is a ground fighter. Holly is a striker. Ronda could sell more PPVs grappling with air than Holly could fighting anyone in the division other than Rousey. So it's not just the style of fighter. I think it's more how destructive that fighter is and also their natural charisma to attract eyeballs.

Ronda has it. McGregor has it. Holly couldn't buy it if her life depended on it. She will be an awful draw as a champion when she's not fighting Rousey. I would bet the UFC wouldn't even attempt to put her at the top of the card. She'll be co-maining.

 

[viman96]

Depends on the boxer and the grappler. The grappler has to get the boxer to the ground and keep the boxer there.

If you have a boxer who is accurate with his/her punches and great with his/her foot work, it's going to be difficult getting him/her to the ground and not getting hit by some accurate bombs in the process.

Guys/Gals fighting MMA are not world-class boxers, most of them anyway.

A world-class boxer can knock you to the ground with an accurate punch before you get a chance to complete a double-leg takedown.

That's why I laughed at some who think Rousey could beat Floyd Mayweather. She's be out cold before she could maneuver into a position to take him down.

It will always come down to the individual fighter. You could have the best boxer in the ring and lose against a legit MMA fighter or vice versa.

 

[viman96]

Well, Ronda is a ground fighter. Holly is a striker. Ronda could sell more PPVs grappling with air than Holly could fighting anyone in the division other than Rousey. So it's not just the style of fighter. I think it's more how destructive that fighter is and also their natural charisma to attract eyeballs.

Ronda has it. McGregor has it. Holly couldn't buy it if her life depended on it. She will be an awful draw as a champion when she's not fighting Rousey. I would bet the UFC wouldn't even attempt to put her at the top of the card. She'll be co-maining.

Agreed. However Ronda's last two fights she has tried to prove her standup is good enough for any opponent. She found out the hardway that is not true.

She needs to check her ego for the rematch if she wants a chance at winning.

 

[CATCH17]

There's a difference between a downed opponent and an unconscious opponent. If you are striking an unconscious opponent you are a complete POS who should be barred from the sport.

Looks pretty standard to me.

Hate the game and not the player on this one. Any fighter would've done the same.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Rousey was in the goonies movie though.

 

[RastaRocket]

There's a difference between a downed opponent and an unconscious opponent. If you are striking an unconscious opponent you are a complete POS who should be barred from the sport.

It happens in MMA constantly, you bash them until the ref steps in. She got off immediately once the ref called it. That's what he is there for.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I didn't have dog in this fight but I don't get all the hate and adulation in Rousey losing.

She was top of the world. Kudos to her.

She got caught.t

 

[CATCH17]

I didn't have dog in this fight but I don't get all the hate and adulation in Rousey losing.

She was top of the world. Kudos to her.

She got caught.t

Because of her mouth.

She is a D-Bag.


She's the athlete that everyone wants to like going in and then she opens her mouth and you can't stand her.


Keep in mind I love overconfident athletes that talk and back it up but a lot of them are just having fun with it. There is a troll aspect to what they do.

She is just full on d-bag.

 

[Stryker44]

It happens in MMA constantly, you bash them until the ref steps in. She got off immediately once the ref called it. That's what he is there for.

Right - to fight successfully one needs to tap into their primal/killer instinct. Its hard to turn off immediately once its turned on - if it was easy there would be no need for the refs to be there.

 

[Stryker44]

Agreed. However Ronda's last two fights she has tried to prove her standup is good enough for any opponent. She found out the hardway that is not true.

She needs to check her ego for the rematch if she wants a chance at winning.

Didn't she beat the Brazilian with stand up who was the number 1 contender?

 

[CATCH17]

Didn't she beat the Brazilian with stand up who was the number 1 contender?

Yes....

Holly Holm was a World Champion Boxer and Kick Boxer though.



I've heard people describe her as the best pound for pound womens boxer of all time before the Ronda fight ever happened.

 

[viman96]

Didn't she beat the Brazilian with stand up who was the number 1 contender?

Yes. Sorry I was not very clear. Ronda's last two fights involved standup. She dominated the Brazilian. Holly being a world class boxer and kick boxer proved to be too much. Ronda's aggressive style and willingness to try to trade blows from a distance proved to be very poor decision by her and the people in her corner. No doubt they thought Ronda would be able to cut off the ring and walk through Holly's punches and kicks.

 

[tyke1doe]

There's a difference between a downed opponent and an unconscious opponent. If you are striking an unconscious opponent you are a complete POS who should be barred from the sport.

How does Holm know that Rousey is unconscious? All she sees is Rousey falling to the ground, then Holm immediately follows up with a strike - which I've seen done countless times.

Sorry, Risen, but I can't agree with you.

 

[tyke1doe]

I heard some criticism of Herb Dean for allowing it. People are chalking it up to the disbelief of what was happening since Dean is about as good as it gets in MMA officiating.

But it's on the fighters too. I couldn't count how many times I've seen a fighter recognize someone was out and pause for an unaware or out of position official to get there to stop the fight. Holm didn't do that. She knew she was out and tried to pummel her. That's all I need to know about her. I sincerely hope that comes back on her at some point and she is the one out and still getting drilled repeatedly.

And I couldn't count the number of times I've seen a fighter pounce on a downed opponent and deliver a crushing blow even though the opponent was out cold.

I think you're not accounting for the speed of the game and the speed at which the fighters see the game. It's easy to say sitting from a couch that Holm should have stopped. But she kicks Rousey, Rousey falls to the ground and Holms jumps on her. Besides, it's Rhonda Rousey. You don't take chances and let her recover if you don't think she's really unconscious. I don't blame Holm at all.

 

[tyke1doe]

It will always come down to the individual fighter. You could have the best boxer in the ring and lose against a legit MMA fighter or vice versa.

That's why I said it depends.

 

[tyke1doe]

Looks pretty standard to me.

Hate the game and not the player on this one. Any fighter would've done the same.

Especially if they were fighting the champion.

 

[Blake]

That fight would be just as lopsided on the ground. Rousey would absolutely destroy Holm in a grappling contest. You might as well bring a fan in to replace Holm.

That was about the most idiotic gameplan I've ever seen from a fighter. That was the only way an inferior talent like Holm could win that fight. She showed Holm no respect for her boxing ability and paid the price for it. Her instructions between rounds really shows how inept her trainer is.

One thing not being talked about is what a POS Holly Holm is for striking a clearly unconscious opponent until the ref pulls her off. I really hope that comes back to her later in her career and she is pummeled past the point of consciousness. Worse than the beating Anne Sophie Mathis put on her.

As for now, unless Holm is fighting Rousey nobody will give two bleeps about her. She'll be an awful draw as the champion. She has the charisma of a pile of rocks and while this fight was exciting, most of her fights are like getting your taxes done. Unless Ronda radically changes her approach and maybe even changing her trainer, she might not fare much better in the rematch. She's not a boxer. She'll never be a boxer. She isn't going to beat Holm boxing. If she turns it into an MMA fight, she'll wipe the mat with Holm. I'd say there are probably a dozen fighters in that division who could beat Holm if they can turn it into a grappling contest.

You're butthurt about her losing aren't you?..