How bad is Jerry Jones?

[Dodger12]

Parcells being the head coach created an environment where neither coach was able to stay. Zimmer wasn't going to run that 3-4 himself. Don't be silly. Sean Payton went on to get a better job than Parcells could offer him here. You realize he wasn't actually our offensive coordinator right?

I'm in the Twilight Zone (a.k.a. Cowboys Zone).....how can any of this make sense to you? The fact that BP was the HC means to you that he ran off Payton and Zimmer? So because Payton got a better job that means BP ran him off? So when someone gets a promotion and leaves the team that's a bad sign? So in your view Wanstadt, Butch Davis and Norv were all run out of town? And why couldn't Zimmer run the 3 - 4 when he ran it several years under BP?

 

[Trajan]

I'm in the Twilight Zone (a.k.a. Cowboys Zone).....how can any of this make sense to you? The fact that BP was the HC means to you that he ran off Payton and Zimmer? So because Payton got a better job that means BP ran him off? So when someone gets a promotion and leaves the team that's a bad sign? So in your view Wanstadt, Butch Davis and Norv were all run out of town? And why couldn't Zimmer run the 3 - 4 when he ran it several years under BP?

Don't try and understand it. Look, even some of the most hard core fans are starting to crack after 17 years of failure. Rather than acknowledge that Jerry is the single most important component in the string of failure some want to blame others in the misguided attempt to provide some solace from our present reality. Facing the truth that our next successful team may well be many years away when Jerry passes on isn't always easy to deal with.

Sometimes I want to move to the happy fans side of the aisle and just ignore the reality of Jerry and try to enjoy the team. Even think about dropping a few $k on my return from Afghanistan with a party weekend some game in Dallas. Torn because I hate supporting mediocrity with my money.

 

[CF74]

Don't try and understand it. Look, even some of the most hard core fans are starting to crack after 17 years of failure. Rather than acknowledge that Jerry is the single most important component in the string of failure some want to blame others in the misguided attempt to provide some solace from our present reality. Facing the truth that our next successful team may well be many years away when Jerry passes on isn't always easy to deal with.

Sometimes I want to move to the happy fans side of the aisle and just ignore the reality of Jerry and try to enjoy the team. Even think about dropping a few $k on my return from Afghanistan with a party weekend some game in Dallas. Torn because I hate supporting mediocrity with my money.

Wait till we get Clabo or Winston..

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think it all boils down to the fact that Jerry wants to win more than anything, but doesn't exactly know how to do it.


Biggest reason we have 1 playoff win in 17 yrs.......poor drafting by the GM.

 

[birdwells1]

I think it all boils down to the fact that Jerry wants to win more than anything, but doesn't exactly know how to do it.


Biggest reason we have 1 playoff win in 17 yrs.......poor drafting by the GM.

That's not true, he wants to win and get the credit more than anything. If he just wanted to win more than anything he would have hired a real GM by now.

 

[odog422]

That's not true, he wants to win and get the credit more than anything. If he just wanted to win more than anything he would have hired a real GM by now.

THIS.

 

[Eddie]

all involved. Joe Gibbs is an owner and active with the team as is most of them.

But Gibbs doesn't make decisions on parts, maintenance, what tires to use, etc, etc. He leaves that up to the experts.

 

[ufcrules1]

It cracks me up when you guys start quoting each other.

Have no idea what you are talking about. I was just agreeing with him. Should I only quote someone when I disagree with them? lol.

 

[DenCWBY]

That's not true, he wants to win and get the credit more than anything. If he just wanted to win more than anything he would have hired a real GM by now.

That's the double edge sword JJ is facing.
Choice:
Either him and his son to bring in their own football talent with homemade coaching that they can manipulate. Take up a copy cat strategy to emmulate other winning programs to attempt to win with his stamp on it.
Or
Take a back seat bringing in football minds (HCoaches/GMs)who know how to build winning NFL football programs who would provide a higher probablity of winning playoffs games/championships while he signs the checks.
He would lose credibility as a "football mind" with this strategy and his ego will not let that happen.

Some people in here thing we're one RT away from being there and I hope there right but anyone who saw the playoff talent last year in our division such as SF, Seattle, Atl knows we need significant improvement in all phases of our game to get that that level. That also includes coaching.

 

[zrinkill]

That's not true, he wants to win and get the credit more than anything. If he just wanted to win more than anything he would have hired a real GM by now.

I have to agree with this.

 

[Idgit]

Have no idea what you are talking about. I was just agreeing with him. Should I only quote someone when I disagree with them? lol.

No! By all means, quote whomever you want to quote. That's what the board is for.

I just find it amusing to see the ban-jerry-avatar guys cavorting over whatever particular overreaction has captured their mutual attention at the time. It's like watching an echo chamber at work.

 

[Doomsday101]

But Gibbs doesn't make decisions on parts, maintenance, what tires to use, etc, etc. He leaves that up to the experts.

Gibbs is involved with a lot. Dallas as do other team work as an organization there are many people involved in getting the so called parts. NO GM is out there doing it alone. Yes Jerry has final say but that final say is based on input from those around him it is not some pie in the sky pick.

Look I think Jerry should be fired based on results he hired these people if the info he gets is poor then that is his doing. However based on the last few drafts we have picked up guys we can build for the future. This does not change past season but it is not the same as it was say 10 years ago or 15 years ago.

We had talent that is why BP made post season 2 seasons he was here and why Wade was able to win 2 NFC East titles so there was talent. Jerry is not calling the shots on the field the coaches do and the players do. If the talent was not there they would not have made it to post season.

He desereve the heat he also deserves credit, BP and Wade did not take us to post season alone

 

[TheDude]

The problem with Jerry is that he seems to try to follow the latest trends instead of having a solid plan.

When the Rams were "the greatest show on turf" he wanted to mimic their speed so he went after Joey Galloway to pair with the Rocket and installed vertical passing game.

After Philly had some success with McNabb he drafted Q.Carter as his running qb.

He wants to mimic the patriots 2 te formations so he spends a second round pick on a te, when we have and had good te to run this formation before and haven't been successful.

Now he's mentioning Balt.and NYG as the prototype that he would want to follow.

Its seems to me that JJ looks at other teams and say "boy I wish my team could be like that" and changes the course of the team to do it. He should just have a solid plan and stick with it, that the signs of a person that doesnt have the knowledge that others in his positions possess. What he sees is the outcome of these successful organizations but he should look on the inside to see how the foundation was built.

/thread

 

[hra8700]

He's not disciplined or systematic, so he's fine when he's listening to people who are (Jason Garrett), but then all of a sudden he goes "jerry jones" on you. In the last 20 years we've not had a first round pick 7 times. That's absurd. Quincy Carter, Roy Williams, the trade down fiasco this year. It's very frustrating to watch. I hate the Patriots, but I wish I was a Patriots fan sometimes.

 

[TheDude]

The reason why I blame Bill Parcells:

- Was against drafting a QB high, insisted on bringing in low tread QBs (Testaverde, Bledsoe)

Someone said Jerry wouldn't draft a QB high? He drafted Carter in the 2nd round, stop making stuff up. Aikman retired in 2000. We drafted Quincy Carter as high as we possibly could the very next year. Parcells was here two years later and Jerry was still trying to get a QB (traded a 3rd for Henson).

Parcells put us into a position rather than fix up the defense that we should completely convert our scheme to a 3-4. Something the scouts were not adept to, something Zimmer was not adept to. He drove Zimmer out. And yes he did drive Sean Payton out. He stripped him of playing call duties. And he left for greener pastures (How green? The saints... which was a garbage franchise before Payton showed up).

Speaking of which...

Cincinnati Bengal 22
Detroit Lions 21
Kansas City Chiefs 19
Buffalo Bills 17
Cleveland Browns 15
Miami Dolphins 12
Oakland Raiders 10
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 10
Tennessee Titans 9
St. Louis Rams 8
Carolina Panthers 7
Washington Commanders 7
Jacksonville Jaguars 5

Nearly half the league is in a playoff win drought.

* Jets haven't won their division in 10 years.

It's because you get a small window to put together a team. Jerry has put together a team, but hasn't been enough to get over the hump. We're in a pretty difficult division, and that plays a factor in first of getting to the playoffs, which greatly factors into your ability to win.

Bill Parcells sunk this team into trying to implement the 3-4. Resources that certainly could have been used to simply shore up what had already been a somewhat successful defense, and perhaps put together a real offense.

Bill Parcells had a 34-30 record as head coach here, and that was mainly due to Zimmers defense in 2003 and Tony Romo's amazing 2006 season.

Jerry probably should have blown this team up, but since 2006 it's pretty much always been in the hunt for the playoffs. You can blame him for that, or you could realize that he wants to win as badly as we do. He could have taken the 49ers approach of sucking for an entire decade, but I don't think you would have been pleased with that approach either.

Lookat that 2003 roster - m god,nd they went to the playoffs.

June 2004 -Testeerde signs as a backup Tha leaves QC,Henson, Romo and Testeverde a roster QB for TC

Aug 2004 QC reeased after faied drug test. If he desn't its likely Jerry releases Romo. Becauseif thee is on thing Jrry the G lves an leads theleague on is signing Pitchers and baseball players as QBs.

I'll agree tht parcells deferred too much to vets, but when you have rosters of QC, Hambrick, Antonio Bryant, et al. you are starting with a supremem disadvantage...created by JJ

 

[visionary]

No! By all means, quote whomever you want to quote. That's what the board is for.

I just find it amusing to see the ban-jerry-avatar guys cavorting over whatever particular overreaction has captured their mutual attention at the time. It's like watching an echo chamber at work.

And I find the thinly veiled homerism humorous

 

[TheDude]

This is easily the worst thread in CZ history and one they will no doubt live in infamy. There is no logical basis behind blaming Parcells for anything. All he did was come in and put together the core that got Dallas as close as its gotten to a Superbowl since 1996. It was Parcells' coaching staff that got us our franchise QB.

This hand-wringing over the switch to 3-4 is ridiculous. Parcells left with plenty of building blocks in place on defense. Problem was GM Jerry never really addressed several key areas, such as inside linebacker or safety, and his cornerbacks were either busts or couldn't stay healthy. These would have been issues whether we were playing 3-4 or 4-3.

And finally, your theory that we could have sucked in 2003 and ended up with Eli Manning is idiotic behind words. Why? First of all, many here would rather have Romo anyway. Secondly, you're attempting to forecast something that didn't happen. Who is to say Jerry doesn't trade our first rounder for a high priced veteran? Or that he decided to give Quincy another year? There is no logical basis behind this argument at all. Pure lunacy.

Yea no one seemed too concerned about the 3-4 in 2007.

 

[ufcrules1]

No! By all means, quote whomever you want to quote. That's what the board is for.

I just find it amusing to see the ban-jerry-avatar guys cavorting over whatever particular overreaction has captured their mutual attention at the time. It's like watching an echo chamber at work.

Ok, well I didn't think it was at all an overreaction. His post seemed very spot on to me. I do find all the ban Jerry avatars very amusing too. Will be wonderful one day when he is gone.

 

[Idgit]

And I find the thinly veiled homerism humorous

Good for you, visionary! Glad you find something here at CZ enjoyable. It'll be a nice break for you from the unending dissatisfaction and general unhappiness.

And, I hope, my homerism isn't all that thinly veiled. I don't try to hide it.

 

[zrinkill]

Yea no one seemed too concerned about the 3-4 in 2007.

Bull ...... I have always wanted to go back