How bad is Jerry Jones?

[NJ22]

After this offseason coaching fiasco and draft moves, and post draft statements...D-line position of strength, Tony/Peyton statement etc. I think the transformation is compllete and he is a White Jump suit and some black shoe polish for his hair away from being Al Davis!

 

[zrinkill]

Is this the 2,000th thread about Jerry Jones that there has been on CowboysZone?


I'm not kidding, this is a legit question.

Way more than that ......

 

[Doomsday101]

Those of us who are critical of Jerry,realize that he's not going anywhere.We know he has the right to make any move he wants to.When he does screw up though,we have a right to hammer him.It's not like this guy has made a couple of mistakes.We're talking about years and years of countless mistakes.For other people to say if you don't like it go find another team to root for,is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.The only reason some of us complain about the guy,is because we love this franchise so much,and we're tired of all the mistakes.Some of you may choose to turn a blind eye.Sorry I can't do that.I care to much.

I agree. He takes on that role then good and bad should fall on him. Again my issue always goes back to those who blast Jones no matter what yet things they like they automatically credit someone else for that. That is total BS, if you call the man out at least have the guts to give credit on the moves you like not hide behind OH that was all BP or scouts. That crud gets old fast

 

[visionary]

He took us to 13-3, for what it's worth...

if you really think jerry runs the cowboys how an NFL franchise should be run and that wade was not a puppet HC, then I envy you your blindness

 

[Doomsday101]

if you really think jerry runs the cowboys how an NFL franchise should be run and that wade was not a puppet HC, then I envy you your blindness

and claiming Wade was a puppet is one person opinion not a fact. Claiming all HC are some puppet so you can slam Jerry is rediculas there were players and coaches brought in by Wade a puppet does not do that.

Wade did not need the job and had no problem getting a job in the NFL he is highly regarding in the NFL so this made up BS from some fan who has no clue is a joke.

Give Jerry hell he deserves it but then good and bad need to be spoken not this BS of oh Jerry did not make that pick he only makes the bad ones.

 

[visionary]

and claiming Wade was a puppet is one person opinion not a fact. Claiming all HC are some puppet so you can slam Jerry is rediculas there were players and coaches brought in by Wade a puppet does not do that.

Wade did not need the job and had no problem getting a job in the NFL he is highly regarding in the NFL so this made up BS from some fan who has no clue is a joke.

Give Jerry hell he deserves it but then good and bad need to be spoken not this BS of oh Jerry did not make that pick he only makes the bad ones.

:laugh2:

looks like i touched a nerve

 

[Doomsday101]

:laugh2:

looks like i touched a nerve

Whiners do strike nevers espeically when they love to pick and choose who to give credit and who to blame.

Hey I would fire Jerry if I was the owner however I'll call the good and bad not just one or the other. If Jerry says to the media the sky is blue you critics holler like some little kid about how Jerry should not say anything.

Fact is a lot of Owners make comments and go to the combines Lurie was there to check out Geno Smith however Jerry and the Cowboys get the national spot light.

 

[JackWagon]

After this offseason coaching fiasco and draft moves, and post draft statements...D-line position of strength, Tony/Peyton statement etc. I think the transformation is compllete and he is a White Jump suit and some black shoe polish for his hair away from being Al Davis!

You are insulting al davis. No really ... davis was a coach, an owner, and the comissioner of the AFL. JJ is an oil man playing with his money.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Yes he did, I'm sorry did Jimmy hire himself? Did Jimmy fire Landry to take the job over? Did Jimmy handle one single contract? Get a clue to act as if Jones played no part is blind or just stupid.

So bang your head all you want seems that is the only use you have for your head it sure is hell not thinking

Who actually does the winning in NASCAR?

The guy who buys the car?

Or the guys who turns the wrenches and who drives it?

 

[NJ22]

Wow. You make great points. I change my statement to he is now Al Davis post 2007.

You are insulting al davis. No really ... davis was a coach, an owner, and the comissioner of the AFL. JJ is an oil man playing with his money.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who actually does the winning in NASCAR?

The guy who buys the car?

Or the guys who turns the wrenches and who drives it?

all involved. Joe Gibbs is an owner and active with the team as is most of them.

 

[DenCWBY]

I agree. He takes on that role then good and bad should fall on him. Again my issue always goes back to those who blast Jones no matter what yet things they like they automatically credit someone else for that. That is total BS, if you call the man out at least have the guts to give credit on the moves you like not hide behind OH that was all BP or scouts. That crud gets old fast

I understand your frustration to give credit where credit is due but looking at the means to the objective the credit is grossly overwelmed with all the flaws of his doing.
For instance you can pat Jerry on the back for some draft picks he has made (Ware, Lee and others) which are good picks however look what he's done with some of the talent he's brought in only to screw it up in another area of the team for present and future. TOwens, RWilliams trade, Ryan Leif and so many others, all the coaching circuses with mixed messages and so many overpaid contracts for poorly producing players leaving this team in a consistently stagnant 8-8 position. I guess I can pat him on the back for trying but I think we're beyond that.
Die hard fans who have supported this team are tired of a string of non-competitve years and the notice of many other NFL teams now surpassing us as playoff contenders because our GM ia a reactionery follower.
Again JJ makes some good personnel decisions only to alter them with much larger issues that are overlooked and unchecked by a poor general manager. The way this organization is set up (with JJ pulling all the strings), there is no accountability to results (but through himself) and he's obviously blind to that.
I'm trying to give him credit but it's so hard to do when his ego blindly stumbles over his own players and team to be The Man.
That said I do think he's one of the best owners in the league.

 

[Doomsay]

and claiming Wade was a puppet is one person opinion not a fact. Claiming all HC are some puppet so you can slam Jerry is rediculas there were players and coaches brought in by Wade a puppet does not do that.

Wade did not need the job and had no problem getting a job in the NFL he is highly regarding in the NFL so this made up BS from some fan who has no clue is a joke.

Give Jerry hell he deserves it but then good and bad need to be spoken not this BS of oh Jerry did not make that pick he only makes the bad ones.

Jerry slams himself. Nobody in the NFL respects his ability to properly run a football team. Everybody in the NFL respects his ability to make money with a crappy product, he literally is a magician, even when the team is pathetic on the field he can fill seats with opposing fans that revile the franchise from the successful times or simply his hubris. You yourself said that you'd fire him as a GM, that should be the end of the discussion.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/090905/pro_09090600.shtml

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/09/sports/football/09payton.html?_r=0

Mike Zimmer was a 4-3 coach, he was running Parcell's defense, but when Parcells left we had to bring in Phillips who could continue to implement the 3-4. This resulted in Zimmer being let go. We brought in Brian Stewart as the next defacto defensive coordinator. Stewart got fired shortly later because the defense was not performing. Eventually Phillips would be fired as well, and Garrett became head coach. Not wanting to call the 3-4 a failure, we hired Rob Ryan... two years with his complex defense, and we still weren't established as a dominate defense.

Finally Jerry said enough and we hired Kiffin and Marinelli.

You can certainly blame Jerry for the failings of Parcells and his decisions because he hired him, but most people would have said it was a rational move. The move to the 3-4, also rational given the nfl trend, and the head coach we had. Just because you make a rational move doesn't mean the results will be positive, and they haven't.

What people do though is blame him for the poor results, which I think are a bit unfair. As owner and GM his job is to make rational moves. Which I think for the most part he has made.

The move I have disliked the most, because it wasn't rational was hiring Jason Garrett in the first place. We didn't need an OJT offensive coordinator or head coach. Jason Garrett has certainly cost us some playoff berths. Of all the moves Jerry has made, I think that has been the worst and most irrational.

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong wrong. When you neglect certain positions on your team, it doesn't matter if you're running a 3-4 or a 4-3. You can't win in any scheme with some of the JAGS we were trotting out there.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Jerry slams himself. Nobody in the NFL respects his ability to properly run a football team. Everybody in the NFL respects his ability to make money with a crappy product, he literally is a magician, even when the team is pathetic on the field he can fill seats with opposing fans that revile the franchise from the successful times or simply his hubris. You yourself said that you'd fire him as a GM, that should be the end of the discussion.

This.

 

[ufcrules1]

I understand your frustration to give credit where credit is due but looking at the means to the objective the credit is grossly overwelmed with all the flaws of his doing.
For instance you can pat Jerry on the back for some draft picks he has made (Ware, Lee and others) which are good picks however look what he's done with some of the talent he's brought in only to screw it up in another area of the team for present and future. TOwens, RWilliams trade, Ryan Leif and so many others, all the coaching circuses with mixed messages and so many overpaid contracts for poorly producing players leaving this team in a consistently stagnant 8-8 position. I guess I can pat him on the back for trying but I think we're beyond that.
Die hard fans who have supported this team are tired of a string of non-competitve years and the notice of many other NFL teams now surpassing us as playoff contenders because our GM ia a reactionery follower.
Again JJ makes some good personnel decisions only to alter them with much larger issues that are overlooked and unchecked by a poor general manager. The way this organization is set up (with JJ pulling all the strings), there is no accountability to results (but through himself) and he's obviously blind to that. I'm trying to give him credit but it's so hard to do when his ego blindly stumbles over his own players and team to be The Man.
That said I do think he's one of the best owners in the league.

Excellent post. Some people here know the truth and just like playing Devil's advocate. Everyone knows the truth, the biggest problem with our team and lack of their success is contributed vastly to one man, and that is Jerry Jones.

 

[Idgit]

Excellent post. Some people here know the truth and just like playing Devil's advocate. Everyone knows the truth, the biggest problem with our team and lack of their success is contributed vastly to one man, and that is Jerry Jones.

It cracks me up when you guys start quoting each other.

 

[TwoDeep3]

all involved. Joe Gibbs is an owner and active with the team as is most of them.

Who drives...that is the guy and the pit crew who wins.

Nice dodge.

 

[Dodger12]

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/090905/pro_09090600.shtml

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/09/sports/football/09payton.html?_r=0

Mike Zimmer was a 4-3 coach, he was running Parcell's defense, but when Parcells left we had to bring in Phillips who could continue to implement the 3-4. This resulted in Zimmer being let go. We brought in Brian Stewart as the next defacto defensive coordinator. Stewart got fired shortly later because the defense was not performing. Eventually Phillips would be fired as well, and Garrett became head coach. Not wanting to call the 3-4 a failure, we hired Rob Ryan... two years with his complex defense, and we still weren't established as a dominate defense.

Finally Jerry said enough and we hired Kiffin and Marinelli.

You can certainly blame Jerry for the failings of Parcells and his decisions because he hired him, but most people would have said it was a rational move. The move to the 3-4, also rational given the nfl trend, and the head coach we had. Just because you make a rational move doesn't mean the results will be positive, and they haven't.

What people do though is blame him for the poor results, which I think are a bit unfair. As owner and GM his job is to make rational moves. Which I think for the most part he has made.

The move I have disliked the most, because it wasn't rational was hiring Jason Garrett in the first place. We didn't need an OJT offensive coordinator or head coach. Jason Garrett has certainly cost us some playoff berths. Of all the moves Jerry has made, I think that has been the worst and most irrational.

Really, what the heck are you babbling about and what's with the history lesson? You made the comment that BP ran off Zimmer and Payton and in response you provide a link that states BP gave Payton play calling duties and other which paints a glowing picture of the Payton / BP relationship.

Zimmer was smart enough to run the 4 - 3 or the 3 - 4. He made mistakes when he was here and it was time for him to move one. But you still haven't explained how he (nor Payton) was run off by Parcells.

If BP was still HC, he would have probably kept Zimmer but if you want to blame anyone for "running off" Zimmer, blame Jerry and Wade who replaced Zimmer with Stewart.

 

[Galian Beast]

Really, what the heck are you babbling about and what's with the history lesson? You made the comment that BP ran off Zimmer and Payton and in response you provide a link that states BP gave Payton play calling duties and other which paints a glowing picture of the Payton / BP relationship.

Zimmer was smart enough to run the 4 - 3 or the 3 - 4. He made mistakes when he was here and it was time for him to move one. But you still haven't explained how he (nor Payton) was run off by Parcells.

If BP was still HC, he would have probably kept Zimmer but if you want to blame anyone for "running off" Zimmer, blame Jerry and Wade who replaced Zimmer with Stewart.

I was responding to someone who said that Payton never had play calling duties. They certainly were friends, but that didn't keep him here.

Parcells being the head coach created an environment where neither coach was able to stay. Zimmer wasn't going to run that 3-4 himself. Don't be silly. Sean Payton went on to get a better job than Parcells could offer him here. You realize he wasn't actually our offensive coordinator right?