How bad is this DL?

[MichaelWinicki]

So then why aren't the Cowboys a better team than the Vikes?

Coaching.

 

[Idgit]

Now if you were to comparing coaching staffs... The Vikings have a very, very impressive coaching staff.

If it's any consolation, ours would look just as good if they played anyplace else.

I like that Viking staff, too.

 

[CATCH17]

if overpaying meant winning then great but it doesn't

I understand you think highly of your view and that is fine but the act is old all you do is complain about Garrett..... We get it you don't like him if the offense is successful you will credit Linehan and if bad it will be because of Garrett I love how you do that. in 2014 Jason had nothing to do with it but in 2015 it was all him. lol
You will complain about Jerry that too is fine, he wants to be GM so it comes with the job when you are not winning but does he get credit for taking Dak? I would think with Romo going down and Dak forced into action jerry may get some kudos for that but somehow I doubt anyone will credit him for that.

I don't think Dallas has avoided trying to better defense but they took risk on guys who many felt where guys with real talent but also with off the field issues. Their failure is on Jerry and should they come back and make this defense better and manage to stay out of trouble then will Jerry get credit for that? I highly doubt it.

I just don't like how so many of you excuse this organization and try to debate that our defense is acceptable by using stats like we don't watch the games.

Garrett does suck.

Also, I give them credit for drafting Dak but their own words are that they had no idea how he would be as good as he is. I'll take a bit of luck around here because we need it but make no mistake about Dak being as good as he is is a luck thing for us and wasn't projected by anyone in that building admittedly.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I just don't like how so many of you excuse this organization and try to debate that our defense is acceptable by using stats like we don't watch the games.

Garrett does suck.

Also, I give them credit for drafting Dak but their own words are that they had no idea how he would be as good as he is. I'll take a bit of luck around here because we need it but make no mistake about Dak being as good as he is is a luck thing for us and wasn't projected by anyone in that building admittedly.

Luck applies to a lot of organizations.

Do you think New England "knew" how good Brady was going to be by picking him in the 6th round?

 

[Plankton]

That MIN defense is fun to watch. Zimmer knows what he's doing over there, for sure.

It's funny - when Zimmer was in Dallas, he was called Zimmy Wuss by a number of people that said all he taught was "occupy and engage", and he wasn't aggressive enough.

Now, his units in Cincinnati and now in Minnesota are as aggressive as any in the league. Go figure.

 

[CATCH17]

Luck applies to a lot of organizations.

Do you think New England "knew" how good Brady was going to be by picking him in the 6th round?

Like I said.. I'll take it. We need some luck.

It's about time someone is better than we expect for the investment that gave up and what better position to potentially hit on than a QB in the 4th round.

 

[Idgit]

..I don't think Dallas has avoided trying to better defense but they took risk on guys who many felt where guys with real talent but also with off the field issues. Their failure is on Jerry and should they come back and make this defense better and manage to stay out of trouble then will Jerry get credit for that? I highly doubt it.

I agree that the gambles on defense look like Jerry moves from the outside looking in. I'm not sure they were, but they look like it. For my part, no, I won't give the team credit if the risks end up panning out, but that's because they were unnecessary risks. Had we just stayed put and added the best defensive player on the board that didn't have an asterisk by their names at #4, #34, and with the Gregory pick last year, there's a good chance the defense actually has a chance to be a capable unit here once Lawrence gets back. This season, which we want if we're going to make a run with Romo back in the lineup. As it is, we're looking at *maybe* next year for both Gregory and Smith when we need players now.

 

[Doomsday101]

I just don't like how so many of you excuse this organization and try to debate that our defense is acceptable by using stats like we don't watch the games.

Garrett does suck.

Also, I give them credit for drafting Dak but their own words are that they had no idea how he would be as good as he is. I'll take a bit of luck around here because we need it but make no mistake about Dak being as good as he is is a luck thing for us and wasn't projected by anyone in that building admittedly.

I'm not excusing anything but I will not whine like some girl and harp on it constantly. Jason sucks in your view yet when the offense has had success you will claim it was because of someone else as you did in 2014 yet in 2015 it was Garrett, I'm sorry but that is too funny to be taken seriously. We have a rookie QB playing very good ball but let me guess it has nothing to do with Garrett.

As for Dak being a luck thing? He was not our 1st choice clearly and Dallas had him rated where most felt he would go but they had also brought him in and worked him out before ever drafting him so they has some indication of the kind of person he was.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree that the gambles on defense look like Jerry moves from the outside looking in. I'm not sure they were, but they look like it. For my part, no, I won't give the team credit if the risks end up panning out, but that's because they were unnecessary risks. Had we just stayed put and added the best defensive player on the board that didn't have an asterisk by their names at #4, #34, and with the Gregory pick last year, there's a good chance the defense actually has a chance to be a capable unit here once Lawrence gets back. This season, which we want if we're going to make a run with Romo back in the lineup. As it is, we're looking at *maybe* next year for both Gregory and Smith when we need players now.

Jerry is GM any move made by this team is on him period. Stephen is not the GM nor is Marinelli or the scouts in the end the buck stops with Jerry he is the GM if he does not want a player he has the final say and if he takes advice on a player and signs off on it then it is also on him. I don't come here day in and day out to whine about Jerry and I also do not excuse Jerry I give props when called for and critical as well.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm not excusing anything but I will not whine like some girl and harp on it constantly. Jason sucks in your view yet when the offense has had success you will claim it was because of someone else as you did in 2014 yet in 2015 it was Garrett, I'm sorry but that is too funny to be taken seriously. We have a rookie QB playing very good ball but let me guess it has nothing to do with Garrett.

As for Dak being a luck thing? He was not our 1st choice clearly and Dallas had him rated where most felt he would go but they had also brought him in and worked him out before ever drafting him so they has some indication of the kind of person he was.

Hey.. You use this forum how you see fit and I will too. I like to cry, whine, and complain when I don't think my team is being put in the best position for consistent success and while yesterday was a step in the right direction with both the result and small tweaks in the offensive scheme I am still not happy about the long term future of the Cowboys 2016/2017 season.

We should be much further along than where we are at this stage and we're still learning how to use our 15 million dollar WR, beat 8 & 9 man fronts, and overcome a defense that we don't invest in.

My standard is playoff success and Super Bowls and not defending mediocrity.

 

[Sydla]

I'm not excusing anything but I will not whine like some girl and harp on it constantly. Jason sucks in your view yet when the offense has had success you will claim it was because of someone else as you did in 2014 yet in 2015 it was Garrett, I'm sorry but that is too funny to be taken seriously. We have a rookie QB playing very good ball but let me guess it has nothing to do with Garrett.

As for Dak being a luck thing? He was not our 1st choice clearly and Dallas had him rated where most felt he would go but they had also brought him in and worked him out before ever drafting him so they has some indication of the kind of person he was.

One playoff appearance in 6 years.

If you want to pat him on the back for making Prescott look good, have at it. So yeah, he might win a few battles, but he's losing the war.

 

[Idgit]

It's funny - when Zimmer was in Dallas, he was called Zimmy Wuss by a number of people that said all he taught was "occupy and engage", and he wasn't aggressive enough.

Now, his units in Cincinnati and now in Minnesota are as aggressive as any in the league. Go figure.

Wow. "Zimmy Wuss" brings back memories I'd buried. Thanks for dragging that zombified corpse back up.

It's hard to remember there was a time when Sean Payton couldn't call plays and had his duties taken away by John Fassel. That Parcels brought him to Dallas to 'rehabilitate' him. Remember all the secrecy around who was actually going to call plays in Dallas on that staff? Pretty funny stuff, in retrospect. Like a lot of things in life, what's actually going on and what looks to be going on from afar aren't always nearly the same thing.

 

[Idgit]

One playoff appearance in 6 years.

If you want to pat him on the back for making Prescott look good, have at it. So yeah, he might win a few battles, but he's losing the war.

How many play-off caliber rosters do you think we've honestly had since 2010?

 

[Sydla]

How many play-off caliber rosters do you think we've honestly had since 2010?

More than one.

There's no point in doing this. You think he's a good coach and can get this team to be a consistent playoff contender.

I don't. I think he and this staff are overrated.

 

[Doomsday101]

One playoff appearance in 6 years.

If you want to pat him on the back for making Prescott look good, have at it. So yeah, he might win a few battles, but he's losing the war.

You are right that is on Jerry he is the GM and I have never said anything otherwise. Yes I will pat him on the back for getting what looks to be a very talented young QB who I think has a bright future ahead of him and for this franchise. I will also be critical because this team has not had the type of success that we expect.

Again I don't excuse Jerry for anything but I also do not blast him for everything. I don't pull the stunt of anything positive is someone else and anything bad is Jerry. To me that is about as stupid as it gets

 

[CATCH17]

Wow. "Zimmy Wuss" brings back memories I'd buried. Thanks for dragging that zombified corpse back up.

It's hard to remember there was a time when Sean Payton couldn't call plays and had his duties taken away by John Fassel. That Parcels brought him to Dallas to 'rehabilitate' him. Remember all the secrecy around who was actually going to call plays in Dallas on that staff? Pretty funny stuff, in retrospect. Like a lot of things in life, what's actually going on and what looks to be going on from afar aren't always nearly the same thing.

Some coaches actually learn from their mistakes.

What gets me about these NFL coaches is that it takes them being fired a lot of the time before they try to adjust. Maybe it's being around other coaches and figuring out what those coaches do to be successful and then adding their spin to it.

I think Garrett has the right fundamental mindset but we need to feast off of the stuff we do well like running the ball so well that teams are willing to sell out to stop it.. Now you beat them other ways to open those running lanes back up instead of hitting a wall 25 times in hopes of popping 1 big play.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Only hope is BOTH Gregory and Lawrence too return and for Gregory to play to his potential after missing all of TC and provided the league doesn't slap a second suspension which I think will be likely given the leaks. So yeah, there is little hope

 

[camaro69]

We have got to start using high draft picks to address it at some point. I don't care what Marinelli tells ownership about his ability to make chicken salad out of chicken ****.

Would it matter. If the pick is not a 3 tech ( Hot Rod) doesn't want him any DT over 320Lb is not needed in Dallas

 

[Idgit]

More than one.

There's no point in doing this. You think he's a good coach and can get this team to be a consistent playoff contender.

I don't. I think he and this staff are overrated.

I'm not expecting to change your opinion. I just was curious to see what you thought of those 2011-2013 rosters because I didn't think they were particularly good teams. It's ok if you don't want to answer the question directly, though. He's got a roster capable of getting to the postseason this year, we probably both agree. We'll see what happens.

 

[Sydla]

I'm not expecting to change your opinion. I just was curious to see what you thought of those 2011-2013 rosters because I didn't think they were particularly good teams. It's ok if you don't want to answer the question directly, though. He's got a roster capable of getting to the postseason this year, we probably both agree. We'll see what happens.

Those 2011-2013 rosters weren't as bad as you think. They should have made the playoffs once or twice during that stretch.