How Can Wade Last This?

[MC KAos]

Give it to him.

i agree, hire shanahan and let him have full control of the coaching staff, at the very least on the offensive side of the ball

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

After seeing all the things Jerry Jones has put this team through in the 15 years since Jimmy left, I find myself not caring much about what he or his team does.

It's not my problem; it's his and history says he will not solve it.

I expect more of the same. It's like watching in slow motion as a huge freeway crash involving hundreds of cars slowly unfolds. It is a big long disaster.

That roar we've been hearing in the background the last decade is millions of NFL fans laughing at Jerry Jones and ridiculing him and his team and it is getting louder every year. Where has the respect gone?

If you continue to do the things you have always done then dont expect anything to change....


“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.
Albert Einstein

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you continue to do the things you have always done then dont expect anything to change....


“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.
Albert Einstein

I don't see why people keep quoting Einstein in regards to that. He was one heck of a theoretical physicist and his ideas on a lot of other things were not so much.

For example he was pro communist in developed countries which is is emerically a failure. Undeveloped is another matter.

At the end of the day he wasn't a psychologist and seeing that he at best would be considered idiosyncratic i just don't see why people take his comments on it as meaningful. For example repetetive actions is typically OCD not insane. Expecting consistent actions from the insane is another thing as well.

Furthermore, you can tell his theoretical background as well as any experimental scientist will tell you, its inordinately difficult to get a controlled experiment ie set up the same exact conditions again.

 

[Rack]

I don't see why people keep quoting Einstein in regards to that. He was one heck of a theoretical physicist and his ideas on a lot of other things were not so much.

For example he was pro communist in developed countries which is is emerically a failure. Undeveloped is another matter.

At the end of the day he wasn't a psychologist and seeing that he at best would be considered idiosyncratic i just don't see why people take his comments on it as meaningful. For example repetetive actions is typically OCD not insane. Expecting consistent actions from the insane is another thing as well.

Furthermore, you can tell his theoretical background as well as any experimental scientist will tell you, its inordinately difficult to get a controlled experiment ie set up the same exact conditions again.

The fact that it came from einstein doesn't really make any difference. IT's the quote itself that means something. And it does make sense.


Hell, Mike Tyson is mental, but he said one of the smartest/best quotes I've ever heard..

"Everyone has a plan, till they get punched in the mouth".


Just cuz it came from a psycho doesn't make the quote any less valid.



Hitler once said "The bigger the lie, the easier it is to believe" (or something like that). Hitler was a genocidal (sp?) murderer but it doesn't mean that quote doesn't have some truth to it.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Fact: Bruce Read and Brian Stewart were complete failures. Everyone knew that both of these guys were probably gone after the Season, regardless if Wade Phillips was Head Coach or not.

Fact: Jason Garrett was hired by the General Manager, Jerry Jones, not Wade Phillips and was in place before Wade Phillips was named Head Coach.

So how does the above equate to Wade Phillips being fired? Especially given how adamant Jerry Jones was about keeping Wade Phillips before and after the Philadelphia Disaster.

One reporter even stated that they had never seen Jerry Jones so head strong and determined with regards to retaining Wade Phillips.

People need to come to grips with the fact that Wade Phillips will be back next Season.

 

[Shinywalrus]

The fact that it came from einstein doesn't really make any difference. IT's the quote itself that means something. And it does make sense.

Hell, Mike Tyson is mental, but he said one of the smartest/best quotes I've ever heard..

"Everyone has a plan, till they get punched in the mouth".

Just cuz it came from a psycho doesn't make the quote any less valid.

Hitler once said "The bigger the lie, the easier it is to believe" (or something like that). Hitler was a genocidal (sp?) murderer but it doesn't mean that quote doesn't have some truth to it.

Yeah, the problem is that Einstein's quote would have been reflective of the one major arena in which his scientific conclusions were proven to be utterly wrong, which is, with respect to the potential for spontaneously random (neither deterministic nor stochastically predictable) events and movements, or the idea that particles may have no true location until they are observed. The very idea is the essence of the quote.

Anyway, the digression aside, a bad season with a coach doesn't mean that you're "doing the same thing and expecting a different result" - there are so many other variables, from the players on the team, to the momentum established by certain events in a series of games, to the randomness of individual players' performances and the effect that can have on innumerable games, to the off-the-field incidents that coaches have little control over, to any number of millions of different things. This is why, of course, teams with the VERY SAME coaches can perform vastly differently from year to year, and why responsible GMs don't fire people willy-nilly.

Maybe Wade needs to go, but let's not pretend that we can be certain that a coaching staff with Wade or Jason isn't capable of taking this team deep into the playoffs just because they didn't this year. It doesn't work that way.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Yeah, the problem is that Einstein's quote would have been reflective of the one major arena in which his scientific conclusions were proven to be utterly wrong, which is, with respect to the potential for spontaneously random (neither deterministic nor stochastically predictable) events and movements, or the idea that particles may have no true location until they are observed. The very idea is the essence of the quote.

Anyway, the digression aside, a bad season with a coach doesn't mean that you're "doing the same thing and expecting a different result" - there are so many other variables, from the players on the team, to the momentum established by certain events in a series of games, to the randomness of individual players' performances and the effect that can have on innumerable games, to the off-the-field incidents that coaches have little control over, to any number of millions of different things. This is why, of course, teams with the VERY SAME coaches can perform vastly differently from year to year, and why responsible GMs don't fire people willy-nilly.

Maybe Wade needs to go, but let's not pretend that we can be certain that a coaching staff with Wade or Jason isn't capable of taking this team deep into the playoffs just because they didn't this year. It doesn't work that way.

Are we sure that quote was about quantum physics? I thought Einstein's famously wrong quote about QP was "God does not roll dice."

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Okay, did some checking and this is one of those quotes that is credited to multiple sources. Seems Benjamin Franklin may have said it. See the last entry at this wikipedia page:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Insanity

Just for the record, the quote itself is useful. I don't think it matters much who said it and for what reason.

 

[Bach]

What happened to Garrett getting the Rams job? I thought that was a done deal.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Fact: One reporter even stated that they had never seen Jerry Jones so head strong and determined with regards to retaining Wade Phillips.

So, my hypothesis is correct. Senility in its subtle form, marked by constant tinkering with those around him and having a bigger heart than his brain.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

One reporter even stated that they had never seen Jerry Jones so head strong and determined with regards to retaining Wade Phillips.

That is hilarious. So Jerry is more convincing than ever??
Doesnt mean he will do what he says....

You know that.

People need to come to grips with the fact that Wade Phillips will be back next Season.

You dont know that.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Wade Phillips will be the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys in 2009.

Jerry Jones has never ever given a Coach such a vote of confidence with so much enthuisiasm and went back on his word. He was very emphatic about it after the massive meltdown in Philadelphia.

Jerry Jones even stated on Norm Hitzges Show that he doesn't like firing coaches after just a couple of years and even cited Chan Gailey as a past mistake, even though some thought it was a great decision.

Jason Garrett was hired by the General Manager, Jerry Jones. Jason Garrett accepting another position has squat to do with Wade Phillips' status as Head Coach.

Brian Stewart and Bruce Read were going to be canned and most people knew that was going to happen.

There is more evidence that supports the theory that Wade Phillips will be Head Coach in 2009 than there is that he will be fired.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Wade Phillips will be the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys in 2009.

Jerry Jones has never ever given a Coach such a vote of confidence with so much enthuisiasm and went back on his word. He was very emphatic about it after the massive meltdown in Philadelphia.

Jerry Jones even stated on Norm Hitzges Show that he doesn't like firing coaches after just a couple of years and even cited Chan Gailey as a past mistake, even though some thought it was a great decision.

Jason Garrett was hired by the General Manager, Jerry Jones. Jason Garrett accepting another position has squat to do with Wade Phillips' status as Head Coach.

Brian Stewart and Bruce Read were going to be canned and most people knew that was going to happen.

There is more evidence that supports the theory that Wade Phillips will be Head Coach in 2009 than there is that he will be fired.

Yea, I think we are all starting to realize that Wade is going to be HC no matter what in 09.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Stewart gone. His name is already off the DC.com website.

Reggie Herring likely gone to Oklahoma State.

Jason Garrett gone to the Rams tomorrow. Probably taking John Garrett, Hudson Houck, and Wade Wilson with him.

Read already gone.

This leaves Ray Sherman, Skip Peete and Wesley Phillips on the Offensive side.

Todd Grantham, Dave Campo, Brett Maxie, and Dat Nguyen on the Defensive side.


The phones at Valley Ranch have got to be white hot tonight.

I thought I read or heard that Herring denied he was leaving. I think he was quoted as saying he hadn't been approached. Did this change?

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Yes, Wade's almost certainly coming back now that JG's staying.

JJ and WP have promised to find the balance between 'change' and 'continuity'. What would that balance look like in practice?

The head coach would stay. The controversial owner's pet OC would stay. The unquestionably unqualified DC and special teams coach would go. The non-contributing troublemakers would go (Pacman gone, Tank all but gone). The contributing troublemakers (TO) could go either way, as could the non-contributing non-troublemakers (e.g., Bobby Carpenter).

If JJ were going to go out and get Holmgren or Shanahan or Cowher we would have more than rumors at this stage. There is, however, not a shred of evidence that JJ has talked with any of these people (that I am aware of.)


(It's too early to have evidence on free agency but I expect us to behave quite moderately -- resign some of our guys, let a few others go; grab a few FAs here and there, maybe including one big name.)