How do we motivate Roy Williams? Demote him like Crayton?

[slogriff]

People (including players) put way too much meaning on who actually "starts" vs how many plays a player gets. I'd simply put in Hurd as the starter (even if it is just the first play) as a symbolic measure to hopefully let RW know that playing time isn't a given.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You motivate Roy Williams by reducing his playing time incrementally.

Does anyone really believe there would be a huge drop off in this Offense if Roy Williams' playing time was reduced drastically or incrementally?

This is a perfect opportunity for Wade Phillips to work in some of the younger players.

Unfortunately, Roy Williams just makes too much money and I believe management would not allow his time to be reduced.

If he drops crucial balls during the Playoffs, he will be hated in this city.

 

[peplaw06]

He had 5 catches for 75 yards in Philly. As much as I hate the smiles he shows on his dropped passes, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

I don't understand why his smiling is annoying anyone... He's not smiling as if he's happy like Austin. He's smiling that sarcastic, "I can't believe I just dropped that ball" smile. I don't like that he's dropping the balls, but the smiling is the least of my concerns. Maybe he needs to take those damn gloves off.

 

[tomson75]

I don't understand why his smiling is annoying anyone... He's not smiling as if he's happy like Austin. He's smiling that sarcastic, "I can't believe I just dropped that ball" smile. I don't like that he's dropping the balls, but the smiling is the least of my concerns. Maybe he needs to take those damn gloves off.

I agree....but the smiling is annoying nonetheless. It gives some people the fuel they need to create a bigger issue out of this than it already is....and it's a pretty big issue. Although a pretty big issue for this team is microscopic compared to recent years.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I don't understand why his smiling is annoying anyone... He's not smiling as if he's happy like Austin. He's smiling that sarcastic, "I can't believe I just dropped that ball" smile. I don't like that he's dropping the balls, but the smiling is the least of my concerns. Maybe he needs to take those damn gloves off.

Agreed.

However, the smiling coupled with the "excuses" he seems to make grates on people eventually.

You hear him in the locker room one minute claiming he has the best hands in the NFL and then goes out and drops passes and then smiles about it just starts to get somewhat annoying.

I think he will make some big plays during the Playoffs but unfortunately, the bad ones may nullify the good ones.

 

[THUMPER]

Ok, I think we all see that roy williams needs to step up his game, with catching the ball when the ball hits him in the hands. Enough of this Wade saying he catches big catches in practice, he hasnt done it in the game time situations.

Do you all remember when Patrick Crayton got demoted from WR position and punt returner. What happened. Crayton rededicated himself, look at himself hard, and stepped up his game. WE all saw the postive results, when Crayton made some big plays as a WR and later returned some big balls for TD's on punt returns, etc.

Ex Cowboy player All Pro Larry Brown said, the best way to motivate a player was to have more open competition, like sit roy down some and let Ogletree or Hurd get more playing time. This will either force Roy W... to step up his game and prove he is a good WR.

Look at it this way, as the number one WR, or number 2 WR which I think he is, if Roy Williams job isnt threatened, then why should he concern himself to concentrate more and work harder to make those big catches.

Your thoughts zoners?

I suggested demoting him a couple of weeks ago. Let him come in off the bench since that's the way he is playing.

I'll never forget what Kareem Abdul-Jabbar said about John Wooden one time. He said that Coach would never yell or cuss but if you didn't listen to him he would sit you down and not look at you. Kareem had several easy shots in a game but because he wasn't following Wooden's gameplan Coach benched him. He said that he spent the next few minutes looking down the bench to see if Coach would put him back in. He said that was the longest 5 minutes of his life and the most agonizing he has ever gone through in sports. Finally Coach called his name and just looked at him for a minute before smacking him on rear and sending him into the game. Needless to say, Kareem passed the ball from then on and didn't try to do it all himself.

Bench Roy and see how he responds. If he whines or pouts then we should cut him after the season as he is never going to get it. If he plays with more determination and concentration when he does get on the field then we have a player.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

True, but if you can make the point to Jerry Jones, by telling him, look at what happened to Crayton when you demoted him. Crayton stepped up big time.

So, wouldnt it make sense Jerry Jones to push Roy W that way?

Why don't you write him a letter?

 

[tomson75]

Agreed.

However, the smiling coupled with the "excuses" he seems to make grates on people eventually.

You hear him in the locker room one minute claiming he has the best hands in the NFL and then goes out and drops passes and then smiles about it just starts to get somewhat annoying.

I think he will make some big plays during the Playoffs but unfortunately, the bad ones may nullify the good ones.

This.

I've tried to understand the perceived "transition" Williams has had to go through. I've tried to give him time. I've even used him on my fantasy team.

...but when it comes down to it....there have been more excuses than catches.

I hope we can find a way to move him....good things happen when talented youth is given opportunities in leu of poor veterans' performances or injuries.

 

[Hostile]

I doubt motivation is the problem.

I agree. There is a problem, but that isn't it.

 

[THUMPER]

Here's the problem with demoting Roy Williams. Who plays in his place?

Now the hue and cry will say Ogletree. But this kid has six catches and is not ready.

How do I know. The coaches who watch the kid in practice all week think so or they would give him more time in the game.

Now finding out what Ogletree can do well, and working him in for four or five plays to put him in a position to succeed is a good idea.

But sending Williams to the bench and starting Ogletree also takes on the rookie mistakes he will surely make. Because this is a different game than one he has played in the past.

And there are things skilled professionals - the vets in the league - will do to confuse him.

Ogletree is the grapes on the vine waiting to ripen and be picked.

As Orson Welles said, "We will sell no wine before it's time."

Now to Williams.

Garrett needs to target things he does well and put him in a position to succeed. That is what coaching is all about.

Go back to the routes he runs well, then exploit those. Get his sea legs under him again.

Build his confidence.

What fans think is unimportant.

Dropped passes have nothing to do with the routes that are being called for him, it has everything to do with his lack of concentration and determination.

It really doesn't matter who starts in his place, the point is that he understands that he cannot continue to play the way he has and still hold onto his starting position. Players take not starting very seriously.

As for Ogletree being a liability... Yeah, it would be awful if he only caught one pass for 4 yards in an entire game. Oh wait

What fans think is unimportant.

You are so right!

 

[Hostile]

Here's the problem with demoting Roy Williams. Who plays in his place?

Now the hue and cry will say Ogletree. But this kid has six catches and is not ready.

How do I know. The coaches who watch the kid in practice all week think so or they would give him more time in the game.

Now finding out what Ogletree can do well, and working him in for four or five plays to put him in a position to succeed is a good idea.

But sending Williams to the bench and starting Ogletree also takes on the rookie mistakes he will surely make. Because this is a different game than one he has played in the past.

And there are things skilled professionals - the vets in the league - will do to confuse him.

Ogletree is the grapes on the vine waiting to ripen and be picked.

As Orson Welles said, "We will sell no wine before it's time."

Now to Williams.

Garrett needs to target things he does well and put him in a position to succeed. That is what coaching is all about.

Go back to the routes he runs well, then exploit those. Get his sea legs under him again.

Build his confidence.

What fans think is unimportant.

Great post that makes too much sense. Nicely done TD.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I, too, hate the fact that RW drops several balls a game. But, this offense doesn't run through him like it did through TO last year. No one (that I can remember) was calling for TO to be benched.

But, don't dismiss what RW does on the field other that catch (and drop) passes. Remember Witten's long YAC yesterday? Who was down the field trying to block for him? I've seen RW provide some key blocks this season and that's something I don't want to take off the field.

For these millionaire kids, hitting them in the wallet is what can change habits. Don't coaches have the ability to fine players for excessive penalties if it becomes a problem? What about being late for meetings? I would do the same with RW. Assess a fine for every pass that hits him in the hands and he drops. Granted it probably won't mean much to his bottom line, but it is sending a message.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Note to Roy W:

Please STOP wearing UT stuff every time you're seen on TV. You're EMBARRASSING us!!

Signed:
M. Brown

 

[TwoDeep3]

You motivate Roy Williams by reducing his playing time incrementally.

1. Does anyone really believe there would be a huge drop off in this Offense if Roy Williams' playing time was reduced drastically or incrementally?

2. This is a perfect opportunity for Wade Phillips to work in some of the younger players.

3. Unfortunately, Roy Williams just makes too much money and I believe management would not allow his time to be reduced.

4. If he drops crucial balls during the Playoffs, he will be hated in this city.

1. Depends. What do defenses think about Williams versus Hurd or Ogletree?

In that nutshell is your answer.

We as fans scream about each drop. The talking heads scream about each drop. The other teams see the drops in film and probably make jokes.

But they also see the touchdowns.

That catch in the back of the endzone yesterday was a veteran play.

He sees Romo buying time and ran to the open spot.

But there is more. He caught a pass that was thrown to a window which was very small. And the ball was coming over a leaping linebacker who was obscuring RW11's view of the ball at some point in its trajectory.

Assuming Ogletree would have caught that pass also assumes he would be head's up enough to find that soft spot in the back of the endzone and then have the concentration to find the ball after it disappeared for a second.

Not saying the kid does not have potential. But Williams made a pretty solid play. And fans do not give him credit when he does those things. They only see the drops.

2. So late in the season when the team is finding their groove with each other and preparing for the push to a championship, it is the perfect time for us to see the younger players?

Okay...I disagree, but if you feel that way, okay.

3. So, Wade Phillips knows Jerry is waiting for him to drop a shoe and Wade will be gone. His play-off results is what buys him another year.

Garrett knows his credibility in the league is directly tied to the results this team achieves in the play-offs.

Win more than one game with a solid game plan and the interviews will come for a head spot somewhere.

Lose and this guy will be a perpetual assistant and maybe lose his job here.

And in all this, you think Jerry's ego and the money Roy makes will outweigh their self serving interests in retaining their jobs or interviewing for new jobs?

Jerry has an ego the size of Jupiter.

But there isn't a coach on this team that will scuttle their chances just to stroke his ego.

Because if they don't deliver they get fired. And making the swap to a "young player" has a higher risk factor than fans consider when making emotional outbursts about grass is greener players on the bench versus starters in slumps.

4. He is already hated.

The real proof in the pudding will be if he catches fire and has a play-off game where he is the MVP and catches the game winning pass.

Then watch the boards and the people who have been starting insipid threads about Ogletree and the young guys fade like a Madras shirt.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Trade him for a 6th round pick,

I'd take a 3rd for him right now and call it square.

 

[THUMPER]

I'd take a 3rd for him right now and call it square.

Not even the Raiders are stupid enough to give up a 3rd for Roy Williams!

Maybe the Commanders now...

 

[tomson75]

Here's the problem with demoting Roy Williams. Who plays in his place?

Now the hue and cry will say Ogletree. But this kid has six catches and is not ready.

How do I know. The coaches who watch the kid in practice all week think so or they would give him more time in the game.

Now finding out what Ogletree can do well, and working him in for four or five plays to put him in a position to succeed is a good idea.

But sending Williams to the bench and starting Ogletree also takes on the rookie mistakes he will surely make. Because this is a different game than one he has played in the past.

And there are things skilled professionals - the vets in the league - will do to confuse him.

Ogletree is the grapes on the vine waiting to ripen and be picked.

As Orson Welles said, "We will sell no wine before it's time."

Now to Williams.

Garrett needs to target things he does well and put him in a position to succeed. That is what coaching is all about.

Go back to the routes he runs well, then exploit those. Get his sea legs under him again.

Build his confidence.

What fans think is unimportant.

Excellent post.

...but lets not forget that Ogletree is not our only option here. We don't lose any veteran knowledge by inserting Crayton back in at number two, and Crayton, as far as I'm concerned has proven he's a far more dependable outlet for Tony Romo. Williams isn't doing his job. I can't even fathom how anyone can argue that point. Give it to someone else until Williams can earn it back.

Garret can target the things Williams does well with him in three receiver sets.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

TD, I agree with a lot of what you said.

That is why I don't agree with those who say "bench" Roy Williams.

If you want to motivate a veteran player that brings "something" to the table but isn't playing to his potential, you do so by allowing some of the younger players to get on the field a little bit more.

As I stated, I believe Roy Williams is going to

To conclude, when you ask, "What do defenses think about Williams versus Hurd or Ogletree", that same logic could be used to ask "What did defenses think about Williams versus Austin" prior to the Kansas City Game.

As I stated a long time ago, Roy Williams is not going to be benched or have his time reduced, so people should just come to grips with this fact.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Hope we draft a burner on the first day next year.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Hope we draft a burner on the first day next year.

I hope we don't.

We already have a good enough Receiving Corps to win a Super Bowl.