How do you build around 3 players making up 50% of Cap?

[TwentyOne]

Your off about 25 million on Parsons.

Bosa is the highest paid defensive player at 34 mpy.

Do you really have Parsons at 60?

I think your point is fair though, cause they'll still come close to 50. However, those contracts will be staggered with void years etc. They won't hit like that until later if at all and the cap will have risen. They may never actually hit at 50%.

Yes, that number with parsons is wrong. He may get 30-35.

Still then 35+35+60 = 130.
The cap this season is set at 255. So that is more than 50% of the cap.

Wether the contract changes over the years doesnt matter to me so much. Those values are average salaries. And this is a good methode to compare them. Of course the contracts may be lower in the first year but then they need to go way up just to compensate for the average.

The cap climbs every year for around 7-8% so in essences the cap hit will lower around that factor every year. That means 50% will come down to around 45% in 2025 and so on.But that is not a good way to argue. You need to compare contracts to a fixed point or it will give you a false understanding. The fixed point to me should always be the time of signing aka the first year of a contract. So numbers compared to other contracts and against the salary cap from that year gives you an idea wether the contract is a good or a bad one.

Finally: As the OP wrote: no team has ever handed out that much of cap space to 3 players. When you look at sportstrac the maximum is around 30% for their top paid 3 players.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

So, in conclusion, just pay the players whatever they want? No team has won a super bowl w/ 3 players accounting for around 50% of the alloted salary cap, but pay them and be a super bowl contender anyway?

Wow. Some people live in a dreamworld.

Because 3 players accounting for 50% of cap DOES NOT EXIST IN THE NFL. There is nothing even remotely close.

You're inability to separate AAV from cap hit is crazy for someone saying that others live in dream world.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Yes, that number with parsons is wrong. He may get 30-35.

Still then 35+35+60 = 130.
The cap this season is set at 255. So that is more than 50% of the cap.

Wether the contract changes over the years doesnt matter to me so much. Those values are average salaries. And this is a good methode to compare them. Of course the contracts may be lower in the first year but then they need to go way up just to compensate for the average.

The cap climbs every year for around 7-8% so in essences the cap hit will lower around that factor every year. That means 50% will come down to around 45% in 2025 and so on.But that is not a good way to argue. You need to compare contracts to a fixed point or it will give you a false understanding. The fixed point to me should always be the time of signing aka the first year of a contract. So numbers compared to other contracts and against the salary cap from that year gives you an idea wether the contract is a good or a bad one.

Finally: As the OP wrote: no team has ever handed out that much of cap space to 3 players. When you look at sportstrac the maximum is around 30% for their top paid 3 players.

AAV and Cap % is not equal lol. You do not need to compare on a fixed point because the cap isn't fixed and because restructures are built in. The only time there's a problematic cap hit is the last year of the contract, and possibly a void year.

Justin Jefferson's first-year cap hit is $15.2m. Jordan Love's is $20.8m. Nick Bosa's is $20.5m. Give CD, Dak and Micah another $10m per year against the cap (which is exorbitantly high) and the total is still only about 33% of this year's cap. The reality is that Dak and CD will hit next year and Micah's won't start until 2026. By your own math, of 7%, the 2026 cap would be over $290m. Even if you are right to use AAV as a cap hit, you could be at $60m (Dak), $35m (CD) and $40m (Micah) and only be at ~47% of the cap.

Using imaginary numbers to fabricate a cap problem is wild.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I love how people also forget that Bland and Osa are both in line for close to $20m per year after this season, and Tyler Smith the year after that.

 

[TwentyOne]

AAV and Cap % is not equal lol.

Seriously i wanted to stop after that.

First this is dependend of how you want to approach the problem. I explained that.
Second your "lol". I dont think i need to explain that. Childish and defamatory. I guess you are a fixture at a-social media.
Well in your words the short answer would be (just to make sure you understand what i wrote): " Of course its not, lol, idiot!"

When i read thru your post i get the feeling that you did not understand my post at all. And to me you didnt care to try to understand.

Further you are trying hard to argue against my points, but in your argumentation you give examples that prove my points by showing exactly the problem that i avoided with my approach.

You assume that i want to create a cap problem. Which isnt my intention at all.
BTW nobody needs to create a cap problem. We have one. And will have one further down the road if we hand out those 3 contracts.

As i said: I dont think you did understand the point of my post at all.

 

[Chasing6]

So, in conclusion, just pay the players whatever they want? No team has won a super bowl w/ 3 players accounting for around 50% of the alloted salary cap, but pay them and be a super bowl contender anyway?

Wow. Some people live in a dreamworld.

But, can they hang out at the rim???

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Seriously i wanted to stop after that.

First this is dependend of how you want to approach the problem. I explained that.
Second your "lol". I dont think i need to explain that. Childish and defamatory. I guess you are a fixture at a-social media.
Well in your words the short answer would be (just to make sure you understand what i wrote): " Of course its not, lol, idiot!"

When i read thru your post i get the feeling that you did not understand my post at all. And to me you didnt care to try to understand.

Further you are trying hard to argue against my points, but in your argumentation you give examples that prove my points by showing exactly the problem that i avoided with my approach.

You assume that i want to create a cap problem. Which isnt my intention at all.
BTW nobody needs to create a cap problem. We have one. And will have one further down the road if we hand out those 3 contracts.

As i said: I dont think you did understand the point of my post at all.

You used fake numbers (not to mention the wrong idea that all 3 contracts will hit at the same to) to suggest there's a cap issue. I don't know what point you're trying to make, but that's what you're saying. There's nothing else to try to understand.

If you'd like to enlighten me as to what your point actually is, go ahead

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

These guys got absolutely dog walked by Green Bay. Physically and mentally destroyed. But sure blame to coaches.

I'm sorry where did I blame the coaches?

Regardless, why wouldn't coaches get part of the blame?

 

[jaythecowboy]

Yes, that number with parsons is wrong. He may get 30-35.

Still then 35+35+60 = 130.
The cap this season is set at 255. So that is more than 50% of the cap.

Wether the contract changes over the years doesnt matter to me so much. Those values are average salaries. And this is a good methode to compare them. Of course the contracts may be lower in the first year but then they need to go way up just to compensate for the average.

The cap climbs every year for around 7-8% so in essences the cap hit will lower around that factor every year. That means 50% will come down to around 45% in 2025 and so on.But that is not a good way to argue. You need to compare contracts to a fixed point or it will give you a false understanding. The fixed point to me should always be the time of signing aka the first year of a contract. So numbers compared to other contracts and against the salary cap from that year gives you an idea wether the contract is a good or a bad one.

Finally: As the OP wrote: no team has ever handed out that much of cap space to 3 players. When you look at sportstrac the maximum is around 30% for their top paid 3 players.

Those Sportrac numbers are based on the cap hits not aav

 

[John813]

So, you don't think building a team has to do w/ super bowl contention? Why?

My point was with Dallas it doesn't make it worse if they re-sign all three to make a contender.

They won't trade any for picks, or at least at peak value. If they let one walk, that's a legit talent gone for a next year 3rd rounder.
If they let one walk, they won't sign someone in FA to make up for that talent void.
They'll try through the draft to replace.

It'll be the same method if they do re-sign all three.

I don't think this team will be a serious SB contender no matter what they do as long as they ignore free agency. they would need an one hit playoff wonder Joe Flacco run to actually have a shot

 

[Beast_from_East]

So, in conclusion, just pay the players whatever they want? No team has won a super bowl w/ 3 players accounting for around 50% of the alloted salary cap, but pay them and be a super bowl contender anyway?

Wow. Some people live in a dreamworld.

I think the point that is being made is that you can sign 3-4 players to top end market setting contracts and it will not account for 50% of the cap in any one year because the AAV is not the same as the actual cap hit.

Now I want to make it crystal clear that I am not advocating doing this with Dak, Lamb, and Parsons, but what Jerry said about you cant pay all three guys because it would eat 50% of your crap was total BS.

Multiple posters, including myself, have shown how the Miami Dolphins have signed 4 guys whose AAV is exactly 52% of this year's cap, but if you look at Spotrac the actual cap hits is less than half of this (about 24.8%)

The point is that if Dak signs for $60 and Lamb for $30, the cap hit is not $90/$255..........so, you can (not that you should), give Dak $60, Lamb $30, Parsons $35, and it would only actually be around 25% or less real cap hit.

 

[kskboys]

I think the point that is being made is that you can sign 3-4 players to top end market setting contracts and it will not account for 50% of the cap in any one year because the AAV is not the same as the actual cap hit.

Now I want to make it crystal clear that I am not advocating doing this with Dak, Lamb, and Parsons, but what Jerry said about you cant pay all three guys because it would eat 50% of your crap was total BS.

Multiple posters, including myself, have shown how the Miami Dolphins have signed 4 guys whose AAV is exactly 52% of this year's cap, but if you look at Spotrac the actual cap hits is less than half of this (about 24.8%)

The point is that if Dak signs for $60 and Lamb for $30, the cap hit is not $90/$255..........so, you can (not that you should), give Dak $60, Lamb $30, Parsons $35, and it would only actually be around 25% or less real cap hit.

Unless Dak insists on one of his short term screw the team contracts again.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Unless Dak insists on one of his short term screw the team contracts again.

Jerry Jones does not have to sign Dak Prescott to a contract for any amount of compensation. If anyone considers Dak a loser they have to consider Jerry Jones a bigger one. He’s paying Dak. What a fool.

 

[Chasing6]

Dak may insist on testing FA regardless of what GM Jethro has to offer.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Dak may insist on testing FA regardless of what GM Jethro has to offer.

Of course he will. He’d be a fool not to. Jerry Jones will not find a better quarterback than Dak Prescott in what is left of his lifetime. Or my lifetime. I’ve come to terms with it. The Cowboys are just another team. One of 32.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

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Have to look at salaries: Maholmes has deferred his salary to get better players, also won on rookie deal before signing massive contract. Our QB has squandered years without producing with great talent around him. The best time to win is on rookie deal and get good teams(not great)around a QB when they are signed to huge deals. Just my opinion Cinci went to Super Bowl on Burrows rookie deal, Phili on Hurts rookie deal, 49ers Purdy rookie deal, garapollo was making 18 million in 2019 when they went to Super Bowl. The exceptions are Maholmes and Brady. Brady didn’t take huge hits with the patriots and the year they went big in Tampa was a similar situation to Rams with salary and being one and done.

there is a difference between cap management and salaries. you have to understand the differenec. KC won after handing out a big contract to Mahomes. and if the best time to win is on a rookie deal, then after that you are done? so lets just dump the player and go get a rookie? so KC should have just dumped Mahomes? and Cinci should just Dump Burrows.
good teams manage the cap well. crappy GMs like Jerry don't.

and Rams won...end of story..one and done? I would be happy with a one and done.
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[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes, that number with parsons is wrong. He may get 30-35.

Still then 35+35+60 = 130.
The cap this season is set at 255. So that is more than 50% of the cap.

Wether the contract changes over the years doesnt matter to me so much. Those values are average salaries. And this is a good methode to compare them. Of course the contracts may be lower in the first year but then they need to go way up just to compensate for the average.

The cap climbs every year for around 7-8% so in essences the cap hit will lower around that factor every year. That means 50% will come down to around 45% in 2025 and so on.But that is not a good way to argue. You need to compare contracts to a fixed point or it will give you a false understanding. The fixed point to me should always be the time of signing aka the first year of a contract. So numbers compared to other contracts and against the salary cap from that year gives you an idea wether the contract is a good or a bad one.

Finally: As the OP wrote: no team has ever handed out that much of cap space to 3 players. When you look at sportstrac the maximum is around 30% for their top paid 3 players.

your mistake is you are adding up averages to come up with a total. that's not how the cap works. learn cap management first before arguing. and its not a good way to compare them. its an assinine way. for example Dak's cap hits were 17, 19, 27M the first three years of the contract....we should have been able to sign anyone we want. of course at the end of the contract you have a choice. either take a lump sum hit or extend. every team will get to that point.

 

[Loso86]

This is what we are looking at if we resign Lamb, Prescott and Parsons.

Even our dysfunctional ownership has mentioned this in our 1st week at Training Camp.

I’m not sure any Franchise has ever attempted such a task?

We couldn’t build around them on Rookie contracts , how do you if they are about half of your Cap. I’m all ears people!!

It's not 50%

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Seriously i wanted to stop after that.

First this is dependend of how you want to approach the problem. I explained that.
Second your "lol". I dont think i need to explain that. Childish and defamatory. I guess you are a fixture at a-social media.
Well in your words the short answer would be (just to make sure you understand what i wrote): " Of course its not, lol, idiot!"

When i read thru your post i get the feeling that you did not understand my post at all. And to me you didnt care to try to understand.

Further you are trying hard to argue against my points, but in your argumentation you give examples that prove my points by showing exactly the problem that i avoided with my approach.

You assume that i want to create a cap problem. Which isnt my intention at all.
BTW nobody needs to create a cap problem. We have one. And will have one further down the road if we hand out those 3 contracts.

As i said: I dont think you did understand the point of my post at all.

what do you mean how do you want to approach the problem....manage the cap. it doesn't go by averages. whomever says it goes by averages is utterly stupid.

 

[Loso86]

This is what we are looking at if we resign Lamb, Prescott and Parsons.

Even our dysfunctional ownership has mentioned this in our 1st week at Training Camp.

I’m not sure any Franchise has ever attempted such a task?

We couldn’t build around them on Rookie contracts , how do you if they are about half of your Cap. I’m all ears people!!

It's not 50%. Some of yall are overthinking this lol! Their cap hits will NOT be 60, 35 and 35 guys. It's just the average.!