How do you build around 3 players making up 50% of Cap?

[kskboys]

Im beginning to wonder if winning a Super Bowl is the priority but rather just gravy on top if it happens .

I'm trying to comprehend why there's so much weirdness from posters in this thread. Just strange stuff.

 

[Diehardblues]

MIA isn't making super bowls. That's an example supporting the viewpoint that close to 50% of the cap on 3 players is too much.

Now that all franchises in the NFL are making money , which the NFL is only professional sports league which can boast that, winning championships isn’t necessarily driving revenue anymore.

The Chiefs aren’t even in the upper half.

The top revenue teams is more driven by their stadiums size & sponsorships which is a bigger factor for revenue than winning along with national following and popularity. That hasn’t always been the case as winning used to drive top revenues decades ago.

It’s looking like Jethro is on to something here that “ remaining interesting and relative “ is the key for continued success and stability which appears more critical than winning championships.

And perhaps why teams are willing to overpay these less than Elite QB’s and big name stars which no doubts limits their ability to build a SB team because being a playoff contender with a steady QB and stars is enough to keep fans enthralled with the product despite not having more success.

Full list and link attached:
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-nfl-team-takes-home-the-most-revenue/#google_vignette

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I wish you would quit personalizing this. On a personal level, I couldn't care less what anyone makes. Why does a player's personal finance concern you? It's weird.

Because you said this:

No, why should I stop telling fans the market is out of whack?

Lmao

You think that the market is out of whack. You have an opinion, fine, it's just wrong. The market is tangible, there isn't room for opinion on it.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Not true.

Yes, they could have extended Dak and done a number of restructures.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Sounds like that’s what he was basically saying?

Poor spending didn’t allow them to afford more in FA. That’s how I interpreted it.

Yea that's what he said - he's wrong.

Dallas could have extended Dak at a market-setting rate and saved $20-$30m against the cap. They could have done a number of restructures and other extensions. They choose not to do that, but they had the ability to.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Overpaying is not subjective.

Yes, it is. Entirely opinion

 

[Diehardblues]

Yea that's what he said - he's wrong.

Dallas could have extended Dak at a market-setting rate and saved $20-$30m against the cap. They could have done a number of restructures and other extensions. They choose not to do that, but they had the ability to.

Right , which is part of those poor decisions which didn’t allow them to be more active in FA.

If you have an opportunity to make better decisions and don’t , then the lack of making those decisions can be held accountable or scrutinized.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Right , which is part of those poor decisions which didn’t allow them to be more active in FA.

The point is that it isn't overspending that stopped them from being active in FA.

 

[Chasing6]

It wasn’t before Cap era. And I’d argue if franchises chose to use more capital on drafting and developing QB’s they could over come the lack of supply.

I’m just not sure if franchises really want to solve the problem. They seem content over paying less than Elite QB’s.

No QB controversies . It delivers franchises stability .

Some QB's that are having success in college enter the draft early and GM's are drafting them on potential. When they should be drafting QB's with a high floor.

They need stay in college and get more experience, so they are more NFL ready.

Hopefully the NLI money, keeps them in college longer, so they can get more experience and develop.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Coveting his own players is one of Jerry's horrific traits that keeps us from winning in the playoffs.

Man...you and Coogiguy03 are killing it!!!! Agree with every post!

 

[Chasing6]

Now that all franchises in the NFL are making money , which the NFL is only professional sports league which can boast that, winning championships isn’t necessarily driving revenue anymore.

The Chiefs aren’t even in the upper half.

The top revenue teams is more driven by their stadiums size & sponsorships which is a bigger factor for revenue than winning along with national following and popularity. That hasn’t always been the case as winning used to drive top revenues decades ago.

It’s looking like Jethro is on to something here that “ remaining interesting and relative “ is the key for continued success and stability which appears more critical than winning championships.

And perhaps why teams are willing to overpay these less than Elite QB’s and big name stars which no doubts limits their ability to build a SB team because being a playoff contender with a steady QB and stars is enough to keep fans enthralled with the product despite not having more success.

Full list and link attached:
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-nfl-team-takes-home-the-most-revenue/#google_vignette

The Niners just pretty much proved and showed the rest of the NFL how you do it(Purdy). Was any Owner/GM paying attention???

Teams that suck looking to draft a QB and then expecting this QB to then overcome all the weaknesses of a team does not work.

Fans that think a QB carries the entire team are clueless.

Even when you have a great team, gambling on an athlete with high potential(Trance) low floor does not work very often.

Build a solid team first, then draft an experienced QB(Parcells philosophy) with a high floor and let them drive then bus. They will continue to develop and grow.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Yes, I was just repeating what Jethro said. And how it was blasted in local media . I mentioned it in another post. Sorry if that was misleading.

My apologies, I thought you were actually being serious about AAV and cap hits being the same thing.

 

[Diehardblues]

The Niners just pretty much proved and showed the rest of the NFL how you do it(Purdy). Was any Owner/GM paying attention???

Teams that suck looking to draft a QB and then expecting this QB to then overcome all the weaknesses of a team does not work.

Fans that think a QB carries the entire team are clueless.

Even when you have a great team, gambling on an athlete with high potential(Trance) low floor does not work very often.

Build a solid team first, then draft an experienced QB(Parcells philosophy) with a high floor and let them drive then bus. They will continue to develop and grow.

But they basically fell into it. Remember they traded three 1st round picks to draft Lance.

 

[Diehardblues]

Some QB's that are having success in college enter the draft early and GM's are drafting them on potential. When they should be drafting QB's with a high floor.

They need stay in college and get more experience, so they are more NFL ready.

Hopefully the NLI money, keeps them in college longer, so they can get more experience and develop.

They only need to stay in college longer if are expected to start immediately.

For fans who are younger they may not recall an era where we sat drafted QB’s for years before starting in order to develop them.

 

[John813]

You missed the part about being a super bowl contender.

Where in the OP is that?

This is what we are looking at if we resign Lamb, Prescott and Parsons.

Even our dysfunctional ownership has mentioned this in our 1st week at Training Camp.

I’m not sure any Franchise has ever attempted such a task?

We couldn’t build around them on Rookie contracts , how do you if they are about half of your Cap. I’m all ears people!!


The question was how do you build around 3 players taking up a large AAV hit. Which is nonsensical as the cap isn't structured around AAV.

Re-signing these guys won't change the front office operations. Re-signing or letting one walk, they will just build through the draft.

The first few years of Parsons and Lambs deals the cap hit can be in the low teens.
The 3rd year is when it can creep close to the AAV, and the 4th+ is when it goes over.
Usually by the 3rd or 4th year the cap savings exceed the dead cap.

There always will be dead cap at some point with 2nd term deals as players very rarely play through those without being cut or extended.

 

[Hadenough]

That’s right. I don’t believe any franchise has ever attempted such a feat in Cap era.

Somebody has to go.

This is true but the real fly in the ointment is they cannot get any compensation for Dak. Lamb could be trade but that will severely affect Dak. So it might be Parsons who is a generational player who might bring you two #1s.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is true but the real fly in the ointment is they cannot get any compensation for Dak. Lamb could be trade but that will severely affect Dak. So it might be Parsons who is a generational player who might bring you two #1s.

Unless we can draft another WR1.

 

[Diehardblues]

The point is that it isn't overspending that stopped them from being active in FA.

Not directly but the fact they knew had these contracts coming up provided them the perception they didn’t have any Cap space.

Which was more about they didn’t act earlier as even you stated they could have then the restraints these potential contracts could bring this offseason wouldn’t have been as impactful.

It all goes back to being held accountable or scrutinized for the decisions or lack thereof.

And if their strategy is to draft and develop without being or choosing not to be in the position to be active in FA and that still isn’t enough then that can also be scrutinized.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Not directly but the fact they knew had these contracts coming up provided them the perception they didn’t have any Cap space.

Which was more about they didn’t act earlier as even you stated they could have then the restraints these potential contracts could bring this offseason wouldn’t have been as impactful.

It all goes back to being held accountable or scrutinized for the decisions or lack thereof.

And if their strategy is to draft and develop without being or choosing not to be in the position to be active in FA and that still isn’t enough then that can also be scrutinized.

This doesn't make any sense.

 

[Diehardblues]

This doesn't make any sense.

If you still believe in Jethro there might be much that doesn’t make sense.

If you don’t feel we can still hold our owner and GM accountable and scrutinize our methods of running Cowboys Football and lack of more success this era then we have reached an impasse.