How do you build around 3 players making up 50% of Cap?

[Mac_MaloneV1]

If you still believe in Jethro there might be much that doesn’t make sense.

If you don’t feel we can still hold our owner and GM accountable and scrutinize our methods of running Cowboys Football and lack of more success this era then we have reached an impasse.

I believe that the talent is good enough and the rest is just noise that really only fans care about.

 

[TwentyOne]

And neither will the Cowboys. The cap hits would be way lower.

Why do you post that to me?

I wasnt the one who raised that thesis.

Anyways:

35 mils lamb ~13%
60 mils dak ~ 22%
60 mils for the 30-minute-Man 22%


Please dont argue those numbers in Detail. Doesnt matter if dak gets 5 mils more or mica 5 less. This is just to show that 50% of the cap is not a fuzzy idea.

You could have done that yourself btw. Takes me longer to write than you to think about it in the first place.

 

[KingCorcoran]

So somehow this is Dak's fault? If your boss is an idiot and over pays you it's your fault some how.

No. It’s Jerry Jones’ fault.

 

[Diehardblues]

I believe that the talent is good enough and the rest is just noise that really only fans care about.

No wonder you support Jethro. You believe he’s built a good enough team.

Yes , we have some talent in key positions but we still have weaknesses running the ball and stopping the run which is more exposed against the better teams and in the playoffs. Not to mention our issues at QB on the bigger stages.

Dominating lesser teams racks up some awesome stats but struggling against better teams more often than not tells us we are an over hyped team.

 

[Flamma]

Yes, it is. Entirely opinion

I guess you're right. But there is a reason people use the term, overpaying. For example, it is just opinion that giving Zeke a 4 year 100M dollar contract is overpaying. Just my opinion.

 

[Steve007]

Using AAV from Spotrac, the Miami Dolphins have 4 players whose AAV is equal to 52.1% of the 2024 salary cap.

Obviously the AAV is not the same as the cap hit, its staggered, but that begs the question of why cant Dallas make the AAV cap hits of Dak, Lamb, and Micah staggered as well or is it just Miami that is allowed to do that???

The Cowboys couldn't get far in the playoffs paying their players less. There is no way they can get any deeper in the playoffs paying them more.

 

[Wangchung83]

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so nobody wins the superbowl if they have three stars they are paying? so KC didn't win the superbowl with Jones, Mahomes and Kelce? interesting...

Have to look at salaries: Maholmes has deferred his salary to get better players, also won on rookie deal before signing massive contract. Our QB has squandered years without producing with great talent around him. The best time to win is on rookie deal and get good teams(not great)around a QB when they are signed to huge deals. Just my opinion Cinci went to Super Bowl on Burrows rookie deal, Phili on Hurts rookie deal, 49ers Purdy rookie deal, garapollo was making 18 million in 2019 when they went to Super Bowl. The exceptions are Maholmes and Brady. Brady didn’t take huge hits with the patriots and the year they went big in Tampa was a similar situation to Rams with salary and being one and done.

 

[Chasing6]

The Cowboys couldn't get far in the playoffs paying their players less. There is no way they can get any deeper in the playoffs paying them more.

Gam Jethro wants to hang out at the rim.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Why do you post that to me?

I wasnt the one who raised that thesis.

Anyways:

35 mils lamb ~13%
60 mils dak ~ 22%
60 mils for the 30-minute-Man 22%


Please dont argue those numbers in Detail. Doesnt matter if dak gets 5 mils more or mica 5 less. This is just to show that 50% of the cap is not a fuzzy idea.

You could have done that yourself btw. Takes me longer to write than you to think about it in the first place.

Do you understand contracts are backloaded? The actual cap hits wont be anywhere near 50%. More likely around 25%. The numbers will go up each year but so will the salary cap.

 

[Chasing6]

GM Jethro wants to hang out at the rim.

 

[CWR]

Why do you post that to me?

I wasnt the one who raised that thesis.

Anyways:

35 mils lamb ~13%
60 mils dak ~ 22%
60 mils for the 30-minute-Man 22%


Please dont argue those numbers in Detail. Doesnt matter if dak gets 5 mils more or mica 5 less. This is just to show that 50% of the cap is not a fuzzy idea.

You could have done that yourself btw. Takes me longer to write than you to think about it in the first place.

Your off about 25 million on Parsons.

Bosa is the highest paid defensive player at 34 mpy.

Do you really have Parsons at 60?

I think your point is fair though, cause they'll still come close to 50. However, those contracts will be staggered with void years etc. They won't hit like that until later if at all and the cap will have risen. They may never actually hit at 50%.

 

[Beast_from_East]

The Cowboys couldn't get far in the playoffs paying their players less. There is no way they can get any deeper in the playoffs paying them more.

That is a good point, and I am not advocating for paying these players this much money.

I am just simply saying that it is possible to play multiple star players very huge contracts because the AAV is not the same as the cap hit.

Multiple posters have mentioned the Miami Dolphins as a prime example of a team with 3-4 players whose AAV is over 50% of the cap and even after signing all of those guys, they still have more cap room than the Cowboys currently.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

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Have to look at salaries: Maholmes has deferred his salary to get better players, also won on rookie deal before signing massive contract. Our QB has squandered years without producing with great talent around him. The best time to win is on rookie deal and get good teams(not great)around a QB when they are signed to huge deals. Just my opinion Cinci went to Super Bowl on Burrows rookie deal, Phili on Hurts rookie deal, 49ers Purdy rookie deal, garapollo was making 18 million in 2019 when they went to Super Bowl. The exceptions are Maholmes and Brady. Brady didn’t take huge hits with the patriots and the year they went big in Tampa was a similar situation to Rams with salary and being one and done.

Dak is not as good as Mahomes. NEITHER IS ANYBODY ELSE!!! That does not mean QBs don't get paid their market value

The Dallas Cowboys are not as good as the best team out there....does not mean Dallas doesn't make more money than anybody else out there. Dallas makes what the market provides them...regardless of whether Dallas is the best or the worse!

 

[MyFairLady]

Do you understand contracts are backloaded? The actual cap hits wont be anywhere near 50%. More likely around 25%. The numbers will go up each year but so will the salary cap.

Hmmm would not want to pay the interest on your credit card bill.

 

[kskboys]

Where in the OP is that?

This is what we are looking at if we resign Lamb, Prescott and Parsons.

Even our dysfunctional ownership has mentioned this in our 1st week at Training Camp.

I’m not sure any Franchise has ever attempted such a task?

We couldn’t build around them on Rookie contracts , how do you if they are about half of your Cap. I’m all ears people!!


The question was how do you build around 3 players taking up a large AAV hit. Which is nonsensical as the cap isn't structured around AAV.

Re-signing these guys won't change the front office operations. Re-signing or letting one walk, they will just build through the draft.

The first few years of Parsons and Lambs deals the cap hit can be in the low teens.
The 3rd year is when it can creep close to the AAV, and the 4th+ is when it goes over.
Usually by the 3rd or 4th year the cap savings exceed the dead cap.

There always will be dead cap at some point with 2nd term deals as players very rarely play through those without being cut or extended.

So, you don't think building a team has to do w/ super bowl contention? Why?

 

[kskboys]

The Niners just pretty much proved and showed the rest of the NFL how you do it(Purdy). Was any Owner/GM paying attention???

Teams that suck looking to draft a QB and then expecting this QB to then overcome all the weaknesses of a team does not work.

Fans that think a QB carries the entire team are clueless.

Even when you have a great team, gambling on an athlete with high potential(Trance) low floor does not work very often.

Build a solid team first, then draft an experienced QB(Parcells philosophy) with a high floor and let them drive then bus. They will continue to develop and grow.

Worked for Mahomes.

 

[kskboys]

The point is that it isn't overspending that stopped them from being active in FA.

Yes it is.

 

[kskboys]

Yea that's what he said - he's wrong.

Dallas could have extended Dak at a market-setting rate and saved $20-$30m against the cap. They could have done a number of restructures and other extensions. They choose not to do that, but they had the ability to.

So, you're completely avoiding the fact that Dak is a FA and doesn't want to sign.

 

[MyFairLady]

I believe that the talent is good enough and the rest is just noise that really only fans care about.

These guys got absolutely dog walked by Green Bay. Physically and mentally destroyed. But sure blame to coaches.

 

[kskboys]

So, in conclusion, just pay the players whatever they want? No team has won a super bowl w/ 3 players accounting for around 50% of the alloted salary cap, but pay them and be a super bowl contender anyway?

Wow. Some people live in a dreamworld.