How Elite Has Tony Romo Been?

[Dave_in-NC]

I love Tony Romo and will really miss him when he retires. I have always thought that he was a bordeline elite quarterback who just happens to have some of the worst luck of any quarterback in NFL history. He in many ways is the anti-Eli Manning. It just seems when the big moment presents itself something bad always happens and many times it is something completly out of his hands.

Take for example the bogus overturned spot of the Witten catch in the Seattle playoff game in 2007 where a first down there lets us run down the clock and we probably score a TD instead of the FG atempt, How about Patrick Crayton dropping his only pass of the season after Romo does a great job of escaping the pass rush and throwing a perfect pass against the Giants. Or Crayton stopping his route on what would have been a game winning TD pass with 7 seconds left in the 2008 playoff game against the New York Giants. How about Dez's fingertip landing just out of bounds in what would have been a great come from behind win against the Giants in 2012. Or Miles Austin running a bad route and then losing the ball in the lights when a completion there gives us the division in 2011. How about this year when Tony Romo throws the perfect pass and Dez Bryant makes a great catch only to have Gene Steretore and Dean Blandino take it away in a terribly unfair manner.

There are many others I can cite like in the 51-48 Denver loss when Tyron Smith gets pushed back into Romo and trips him just as he releases the ball. I could go on and on. It just seems like something bad always happens to him.

Nice, you just saved e a ton of work.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

So in all the games he has played in ...... you are claiming he messed up in 6 of them.

Wow ........ 6 ........ guy must be a bum.

I know I can't wait to start the QB search again. We are so good at it, at my age I might be dead before e find one.

 

[Crown Royal]

I can list at least a half a dozen games, crucial games that he singlehandedly lost.
But I won't. Why bother....

Let this thread go where it wants. Glorifying the numbers.

A little but of Jeter in Romo would go a lonnnnnnnnnnnggggg way here.....

Yeah...wow....that really makes him unique as a QB.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

So in all the games he has played in ...... you are claiming he messed up in 6 of them.

Wow ........ 6 ........ guy must be a bum.

I said crucial games. Ie. Must win and or win and you are in or playoff games. But you go ahead and make it a general statement. All good .

And any one can list dozens of plays he's made out of nothing. What's your point?

The point is. Yours is irrelevant to mine.

I am letting this go.
I will wait for the win. Can't dwell on the negatives, as well as, I can't hype the bs.
It's borderline revisionist history. Grapevine changing story.

 

[DanTanna]

Thanks Jerry!

 

[DFWJC]

I said crucial games. Ie. Must win and or win and you are in or playoff games. But you go ahead and make it a general statement. All good .






The point is. Yours is irrelevant to mine.

I am letting this go.
I will wait for the win. Can't dwell on the negatives, as well as, I can't hype the bs.
It's borderline revisionist history. Grapevine changing story.

Good grief man, if you would just shut up wen the topic of Romo comes up you would command so much more respect.
You lose so much when you go down this nearly brain-dead path of thinking.
Come on Red! rise above it.

 

[Rockport]

We're going to do this again?
No supporting cast - having to do it all. Asked to do too much.

Great, great, great stats.

When he is needed the most. Not so great.

I hope he wins us a Super Bowl so these threads mean something.

Right now, meaning of this thread = not so much.

You are showing your ignorance again. Thanks as we now all know to take with a grain of salt anything you say.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You are showing your ignorance again. Thanks as we now all know to take with a grain of salt anything you say.

Good grief man, if you would just shut up wen the topic of Romo comes up you would command so much more respect.
You lose so much when you go down this nearly brain-dead path of thinking.
Come on Red! rise above it.

Amusing. Ignorance, brain dead thinking...

There is absolutely no truth to what posted? You guys act like there is zero truth to it. Ok cool.

If this guy retires without Super Bowl... It will be on him. Excuses are for .....


Seriously, Have a great day! No animosity or hard feelings to any posters that are so extreme on Romo. One way or another. I fall in the middle at least. Some just deflect blame on everything else.

 

[DFWJC]

22 starters not counting special teams.
What about TEAM in "team sports" is not understandable?
...same old story.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

22 starters not counting special teams.
What about TEAM in "team sports" is not understandable?
...same old story.

Works both ways though.

 

[DFWJC]

Works both ways though.

Absolutely.
A game-winning drive is a team effort as well. As is a defensive stop, etc.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Absolutely.
A game-winning drive is a team effort as well. As is a defensive stop, etc.

That's the part that most seem to miss.

 

[tyke1doe]

I was wondering if we could get through an offseason without debating Tony Romo.

I think what's very telling about Romo's performance is that after previous seasons, you'd have dozens of threads discussing Romo. If my memory serves me correctly, this is the first one this offseason so, for the most part, Cowboys fans are happy with his performance/play.

 

[tyke1doe]

I've always been on the "Tony is a great QB without a supporting cast" side of the Romo argument. I will readily admit that it was always a theory, and there was always that little bit (3-5%) doubt that said maybe, just maybe, I'm wrong and he really is just an ok QB. And then I started thinking, even if we're right about him being without a supporting cast, with his back and age we'll never know.

And then 2014 happens - we decide YES, we WILL run the ball, AND stick with it. We WILL play better on defense, and our WRs WILL know their routes (seriously - how long has it been before 2014 where you went games without seeing the WR run the completely incorrect route?). And Romo goes on to dominate the league.


Some stats he is great, some he is alright. I don't know if career wise Romo is a top 3 QB, but I am certain he is a top 7 and some seasons he is top 5. In 2014 he was the absolute best QB. He is in my mind the best QB of this generation who has never had the truly dominant team around him and has suffered for it (I almost said he shares this with Rivers, but the San Diego team was fantastic for several years). The best thing is that I think most fans now agree with this. One or two years ago he caught flak, but I think in speaking to most people, the idea that he is a Loser or "Unclutch" has mostly evaporated.

There's a thin line between a team that is truly dominant and a team that isn't. And what tends to be the difference is whether that team catches lightning in a bottle and wins. The Giants of 2007 were a dominating defense throughout the regular season. Then they caught lightning in a bottle and won it all. Now we look at them as a "dominant" defense. But if they hadn't won the Super Bowl, they would have been simply another run-of-the-mill defense.

Same with the Cardinals Super Bowl team. They got beaten by the Steelers, but they weren't that special. Had they won, we likely would be making the same argument for how great that team was.

And the Ravens defense that won Super Bowl 47 weren't all that special. It was the same unit that continuously came up short. But they beat the 49ers, and they've reached mythical stature.

Look, I believe Romo is one of the greatest quarterbacks playing today. But, I believe, many Cowboys fans must over emphasize his greatness because he has no hardware on his fingers. Romo isn't the only quarterback who hasn't had a great team around him. And some of those quarterbacks have gotten to the Super Bowl and won it.

I don't see the need to keep beating this "he doesn't have a team around him" because that argument can cut both ways, i.e., if he can't get it done without the perfect team around him, what will make him special when he does?

 

[DandyDon1722]

I said crucial games. Ie. Must win and or win and you are in or playoff games. But you go ahead and make it a general statement. All good .

The point is. Yours is irrelevant to mine.

I am letting this go.
I will wait for the win. Can't dwell on the negatives, as well as, I can't hype the bs.
It's borderline revisionist history. Grapevine changing story.

You mean like the crucial games to get to the crucial games? Those games? I'm not sure which is which.

Anyhow you're right - best to let it go.

 

[Crown Royal]

There's a thin line between a team that is truly dominant and a team that isn't. And what tends to be the difference is whether that team catches lightning in a bottle and wins. The Giants of 2007 were a dominating defense throughout the regular season. Then they caught lightning in a bottle and won it all. Now we look at them as a "dominant" defense. But if they hadn't won the Super Bowl, they would have been simply another run-of-the-mill defense.

Same with the Cardinals Super Bowl team. They got beaten by the Steelers, but they weren't that special. Had they won, we likely would be making the same argument for how great that team was.

And the Ravens defense that won Super Bowl 47 weren't all that special. It was the same unit that continuously came up short. But they beat the 49ers, and they've reached mythical stature.

Look, I believe Romo is one of the greatest quarterbacks playing today. But, I believe, many Cowboys fans must over emphasize his greatness because he has no hardware on his fingers. Romo isn't the only quarterback who hasn't had a great team around him. And some of those quarterbacks have gotten to the Super Bowl and won it.

I don't see the need to keep beating this "he doesn't have a team around him" because that argument can cut both ways, i.e., if he can't get it done without the perfect team around him, what will make him special when he does?

I think that's a fair statement, but when I say doesn't have it around him, I mean to say that it looks like they were more putrid than previously though. Take a look at 2008-2012 and the offense around him looks now to be a product of him and him alone. Mile Austin is less than a shell of what we thought he would be, no OL from those teams are still really in the league, nor any RB, etc. Really he was keeping it all together with almost nothing. Unfortunately the defense also declined from 2010 to 2013 substantially. The offense has been on an uptick and now we see the defense start to do something and things look a ton better.

I guess for me, Romo gets it done regardless of what is around him. The wins, though, need to be an effort of everyone, and that hadn't been the case for too long.

 

[tyke1doe]

I think that's a fair statement, but when I say doesn't have it around him, I mean to say that it looks like they were more putrid than previously though. Take a look at 2008-2012 and the offense around him looks now to be a product of him and him alone. Mile Austin is less than a shell of what we thought he would be, no OL from those teams are still really in the league, nor any RB, etc. Really he was keeping it all together with almost nothing. Unfortunately the defense also declined from 2010 to 2013 substantially. The offense has been on an uptick and now we see the defense start to do something and things look a ton better.

I guess for me, Romo gets it done regardless of what is around him. The wins, though, need to be an effort of everyone, and that hadn't been the case for too long.

Good point. I never really considered where the other guys are that played with him and whether they're even still in the league. Choice, Barber, Austin, Crayton, Felix - all are either out of the league or are barely on their rosters. Bradie James isn't playing anymore. Spears is on the SEC Network. Bobby Carpenter is in some beauty salon even as we speak. And who's the scrub at corner who went to the Houston Texans who was a byword for "burn victim"? Oh, Jacques Reeves (it just came to me).

Yeah, Romo was playing with Scrub City.

 

[DFWJC]

You mean like the crucial games to get to the crucial games? Those games? I'm not sure which is which.

Anyhow you're right - best to let it go.

They're only crucial when we lose.
All others don't really matter. You should know that by now.

 

[Crown Royal]

Good point. I never really considered where the other guys are that played with him and whether they're even still in the league. Choice, Barber, Austin, Crayton, Felix - all are either out of the league or are barely on their rosters. Bradie James isn't playing anymore. Spears is on the SEC Network. Bobby Carpenter is in some beauty salon even as we speak. And who's the scrub at corner who went to the Houston Texans who was a byword for "burn victim"? Oh, Jacques Reeves (it just came to me).

Yeah, Romo was playing with Scrub City.

sMiles Austin is the one that fooled me the most. I really thought he would develop, but even when his hammy was healthy, he didn't. He was really only great at the comeback route it seems.

 

[sureletsrace]

Prediction: We will severely miss Tony Romo when he retires.

I know I will, and I'm finding myself enjoying watching him play even more now than ever, knowing he won't be around forever.

The guy truly is an elite QB. I feel sorry for those who refuse to see it and are missing out on the opportunity to watch him be great.