How Elite Has Tony Romo Been?

[tyke1doe]

If he plays for a few more years and continues to put up his great numbers, he could absolutely make the HOF without a ring. If his career ended today, then he would likely not make it due to his lack of a (team accomplishment) SB ring. The SB ring thing is such nonsense when judging a player's performance. Dilfer, Hostetler, Johnson, etc. have rings and they were nothing special at all. Romo has performed well in clutch situations and the playoffs (93 rating and a 4:1 TD to Int ratio). Hopefully his TEAM will perform better and he'll get that ring.

There is no uniform criteria for inclusion into the Hall of Fame.
Some quarterbacks can do it with numbers. Some quarterbacks can do it with stats. Some can do it with Super Bowl rings.

However, of those who do it with stats, most of them - at least in the modern era - have some sort of hardware be it a Super Bowl ring, a conference championship ring, an MVP trophy, etc.

Moreover, as unfortunate as it is, Romo will be judged against his peers - Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Ben Rothlisberger, Eli Manning.

He may have the stats, but he doesn't have the hardware that the rest of those quarterbacks do.

Then, he's judge against the Cowboys greats like Staubach and Aikman.

Then he has to overcome the belief that there are too many Cowboys in the Hall already.

No. Without a ring or at the very least a league MVP, I say he doesn't make it. His reputation - right or wrong - precedes him - and not with hardware.

 

[rynochop]

I guess im ashamed to admit i wasnt aware that was Troys TD to Int ratio. And I know, i know, Emmitt and all that, but still. A lot of that had to come at the end, when i remember a lot of bad ints.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

No I love me some Romo. I wanted the team to look to him earlier in both games. Murray was productive and the team was balanced, but we also let the teams linger with this formula. I know we were protecting the D to a point. But points can protect the D too.

I agree that we should have opened it up a bit. The problem is even an injured Rogers will put point up on a defense that doesn't get close to him.
I think JG was expecting a shoot out, I know I was.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Double helping will be needed for this one.

Yay!


Give me one of those bags!!!

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Yay!


Give me one of those bags!!!

You started it get your own.

 

[tyke1doe]

Marino says hi. With that logic, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson say hello too.

Marino has multiple years leading the league in passing, has league MVPs and also led his team to the Super Bowl.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson don't have the numbers, and both quarterbacked teams with two of the best defenses in league history.

Romo doesn't have ANY hardware, not a conference championship ring, not a Super Bowl ring and not a league MVP. He hasn't led the league in passing multiple times like Marino did, and he hasn't set a record for the most passing touchdowns in a season, which Marino had until it was broken by Peyton Manning.

My argument isn't one solely about Super Bowl rings. However, if you're talking about how "elite" Romo is, that matters to people who evaluate whether a quarterback should be in the Hall of Fame. It's not just about stats. It's also about how you rank with your peers during the time you played.

Marino, Elway and Montana were considered the elite quarterbacks of their generation. They either led the league in touchdown passes (Marino), took undermanned teams to the Super Bowl (Elway) or won multiple Super Bowls (Montana).

The best quarterbacks while Romo has been playing have been Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. All of them have the same credentials as Marino, Montana and Elway.

The odd man out? Romo.

Unfortunately, stats aren't going to do it for Romo because he will be evaluated based on who he played with. He needs the ring or at least to win a league MVP. He hasn't done either.

You may not like it. But it is what it is, especially with him being the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[BigStar]

I agree that we should have opened it up a bit. The problem is even an injured Rogers will put point up on a defense that doesn't get close to him.
I think JG was expecting a shoot out, I know I was.

Definitely! It seemed we played slower, or to GB's level seeing as they were slow out of the gate and Rodgers obv effected. It seemed the team lacked the neccesary urgency to pounce on that weakness (scoring on O would've put the pressure on Rodgers immediately to perform). The team more so waited for someone to make a play, (either Murray breaking one, or someone breaking a tackle for long YAC bc they definitely were playing conservative in the passing game).

 

[Fletch]

Marino has multiple years leading the league in passing, has league MVPs and also led his team to the Super Bowl.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson don't have the numbers, and both quarterbacked teams with two of the best defenses in league history.

Romo doesn't have ANY hardware, not a conference championship ring, not a Super Bowl ring and not a league MVP. He hasn't led the league in passing multiple times like Marino did, and he hasn't set a record for the most passing touchdowns in a season, which Marino had until it was broken by Peyton Manning.

My argument isn't one solely about Super Bowl rings. However, if you're talking about how "elite" Romo is, that matters to people who evaluate whether a quarterback should be in the Hall of Fame. It's not just about stats. It's also about how you rank with your peers during the time you played.

Marino, Elway and Montana were considered the elite quarterbacks of their generation. They either led the league in touchdown passes (Marino), took undermanned teams to the Super Bowl (Elway) or won multiple Super Bowls (Montana).

The best quarterbacks while Romo has been playing have been Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. All of them have the same credentials as Marino, Montana and Elway.

The odd man out? Romo.

Unfortunately, stats aren't going to do it for Romo because he will be evaluated based on who he played with. He needs the ring or at least to win a league MVP. He hasn't done either.

You may not like it. But it is what it is, especially with him being the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.

The overall scope of Romo is skewed by the media. Romo ranks better than just about everyone of his peers statistically. There are backups in the HOF. Romo deserves to be in the Hall when it's all said and done, ring or no ring, MVP mention or not. FACT.

 

[tyke1doe]

What SB wining QB does? Maybe I don't understand what you are saying.

I don't think I said Super Bowl. I said next level. One could argue a hobbled Aaron Rodgers took his team to the next level, at the very least, to a conference championship.

Look, I'm not knocking Tony Romo as I am these incessant posts that say he's elite. He may be elite. However, when you use the term "elite" you also conjure the names of Rodgers and Brady and Manning. Though those quarterbacks also needed their teams to help, they have played in such a way that they've made players - average players at that - better, enough to make it to the next level.

All I keep hearing is that Romo needs a complete team. Well, so did Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. And nobody argues they were elite.

And my point is if your argument is that Tony Romo needs all the piece around him to fit perfectly, if he gets them and he wins, why would he all of a sudden be special? He didn't do anything out of the extraordinary. He just got additional pieces.

I think the argument works AGAINST Romo than it does for him. I'm contend in saying Romo is a very, very good quarterback, one of the best in the league. I don't think it's necessary to say, "if and when, he gets X, X, and X, he'll be a Super Bowl quarterback." That argument really doesn't help his case as being elite, IMO.

That's what I'm saying.

 

[Fletch]

If they can induct a punter, then they can damn sure induct an undrafted free agent QB that has become one of the better quarterbacks of his generation.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You started it get your own.

Just win a gosh darn, mother flowering Super Bowl. Lol

 

[tyke1doe]

The overall scope of Romo is skewed by the media. Romo ranks better than just about everyone of his peers statistically. There are backups in the HOF. Romo deserves to be in the Hall when it's all said and done, ring or no ring, MVP mention or not. FACT.

All football eras aren't equal. And expecting a starting quarterback now to get in the Hall because a backup of yesteryear got in is unrealistic.

Unfortunately, and maybe fortunately, quarterbacks are evaluated differently. And I suspect when it's time for Romo's name to be mentioned - assuming he stays the same, i.e., with no hardware - this debate will resume in earnest.

Be that as it may, based on how quarterbacks are evaluated now, I seriously doubt he gets in. And, unfortunately, the media select the Hall of Fame candidates so one has to consider Romo's media perception.

 

[Wheeltax]

Between Cutler and Newton.

Wow.

 

[DFWJC]

In the spirit of this thread, he played well enough to win if everyone else had played well enough to win. But did he or does he have that "something" to take this team to the next level if everyone isn't doing what they should? Based on the arguments being presented here, that's a resounding NO!

If anything, his game is elevated when he's needed most.
Super high rating late in games
Massive number of game-winning drives...or leading his offense to game-winning drives

I mean, on an individual level, the evidence is there . And when you are talking about an individual--which we are--that is all there is to accurately measure.
Obviously, he can't play defense, catch the ball, block or return kicks...he does what he does at his position.
And the evidence is overwhelming that he does it more than good enough to win a Super Bowl.

Just this year, in the two playoff games, he came through spectacularly at the end of both games. No sane person could argue with that.

 

[punchnjudy]

I would like to see the article that places him behind Cutler. Hard to believe anyone could be that stupid.

 

[DallasEast]

There is nothing like a Tony Romo thread to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that there are many (sometimes conflicting) perceptions about football, even though the sport itself is not really all that complicated.

 

[burmafrd]

There is nothing like a Tony Romo thread to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that there are many (sometimes conflicting) perceptions about football, even though the sport itself is not really all that complicated.

and to show how truly stupid some people are.

 

[SDCowboy]

Why do people here continue to argue with the few that still doubt Romo's greatness? It's like arguing with people that still think the world is flat.

 

[Section446]

Not very before last season.

 

[CF74]

Double helping will be needed for this one.

Just keep it in his range...