How good was the Arkansas OLine?

[dre1614]

I can't believe your this lazy. Your going to make go back and redo all of that just to prove what you already have seen for yourself if you are actually looking at the whole play by play and charting all the runs.

defenses don't get tired in the first half, unless they only have 11 total players on D.

 

[theogt]

Felix Jones had more carries, more yardage, and more TDs in the 1st half of games than the 2nd half of games.

Yet, someone is actually trying to argue that he was more productive or was as productive as he was because he ran against tired defenses.

Strange, really.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I looked at the play by play.

And the statistics as a whole.

He gets better production in the 1st half of games.

I asked you to chart the plays. I asked you to look at what McFadden has done. I asked you to look at when his runs come, in relation to how many times McFadden has already carried and when in the fist half does he get his carries. Are the majority in the 2nd quarter or are the majority in the 1st? Do they typically come after McFadden has already carried the ball on an average of 3 times more or are they equal in this respect? Don't just cherry pick a couple of runs. Do a good job of it and then see what conclusion you come to. I already know what's there. You can't prove anything to me because I've already looked at it.

Your saying that his longest runs are happening in the 1st half. IE, he's more productive. I'm saying he's running against tired defenses regadless of the half.

 

[theogt]

I asked you to chart the plays. I asked you to look at what McFadden has done. I asked you to look at when his runs come, in relation to how many times McFadden has already carried and when in the fist half does he get his carries. Are the majority in the 2nd quarter or are the majority in the 1st? Do they typically come after McFadden has already carried the ball on an average of 3 times more or are they equal in this respect? Don't just cherry pick a couple of runs. Do a good job of it and then see what conclusion you come to. I already know what's there. You can't prove anything to me because I've already looked at it.

You're making the assertion that goes against the fact that he ran for more plays, more yards, and more TDs in the 1st half.

Can you show that what you're saying is true, in contradiction of the facts?

Or are you just making this up?

Your saying that his longest runs are happening in the 1st half. IE, he's more productive. I'm saying he's running against tired defenses regadless of the half.

Did you honestly type this? Okay, I give up. You're just making **** up now.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Felix Jones had more carries, more yardage, and more TDs in the 1st half of games than the 2nd half of games.

Yet, someone is actually trying to argue that he was more productive or was as productive as he was because he ran against tired defenses.

Strange, really.

Not really strange. Your hung up on how many yards he's getting in the first half vs the second and I'm trying to tell you that McFadden is wearing these defenses down before Jones is doing the bulk of his damage. To me it's real clear whats going on here Theo.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You're making the assertion that goes against the fact that he ran for more plays, more yards, and more TDs in the 1st half.

Can you show that what you're saying is true, in contradiction of the facts?

Or are you just making this up?

Did you honestly type this? Okay, I give up. You're just making **** up now.

Does it stand to reason that a back who can not carry the load full time will be stronger in the 1st half then in the 2nd?

It's a yes or no question. Should be real easy for you.

 

[theogt]

Not really strange. Your hung up on how many yards he's getting in the first half vs the second and I'm trying to tell you that McFadden is wearing these defenses down before Jones is doing the bulk of his damage. To me it's real clear whats going on here Theo.

In 3 games, we've pointed out that he had 20+ yard carries in the 1st drive of the game. That's the FIRST DRIVE. If McFadden wears down defenses in the 1st drive, he has quite magical powers.

Magical.

 

[dre1614]

Not really strange. Your hung up on how many yards he's getting in the first half vs the second and I'm trying to tell you that McFadden is wearing these defenses down before Jones is doing the bulk of his damage. To me it's real clear whats going on here Theo.

how often do defenses get tired in the first half? not often

 

[theogt]

Does it stand to reason that a back who can not carry the load full time will be stronger in the 1st half then in the 2nd?

It's a yes or no question. Should be real easy for you.

It's great that you're now recognizing that your "tired defenses in the 2nd half" argument was of no merit. It's only the 2nd time you've changed your argument in this thread.

1. Felix wore down over the season. Proven wrong.

2. Felix ran against "tired defenses in the 2nd half." Proven wrong.

3. Felix can't carry the ball full load because he only had 7 YPC in the 2nd half of games. LULZ.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Felix Jones had more carries, more yardage, and more TDs in the 1st half of games than the 2nd half of games.

No wonder McFadden was so good...

Felix was wearing down defenses for him.

Carry on...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In 3 games, we've pointed out that he had 20+ yard carries in the 1st drive of the game. That's the FIRST DRIVE. If McFadden wears down defenses in the 1st drive, he has quite magical powers.

Magical.

God you are one lazy ........ OK. I will do it for you. After all, that is what you were hoping for.

Felix Jones on the 1st play of the game against TROY!, broke one for 40 yards.

Darren McFadden rush for 12 yards to the Troy 26 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at TSU 26 Darren McFadden rush for 5 yards to the Troy 21.
3rd and 5 at TSU 21 Darren McFadden rush for 4 yards to the Troy 17.


Darren McFadden rush for 3 yards to the Troy 37. 0 3
2nd and 7 at TSU 37 Felix Jones rush for a loss of 2 yards to the Troy 39.


2nd and 13 at TSU 26 Darren McFadden rush for 4 yards to the Troy 22.
3rd and 9 at TSU 22 Casey Dick pass complete to Darren McFadden for 12 yards to the Troy 10 for a 1ST down.
1st and Goal at TSU 10 Felix Jones rush for no gain to the Troy 10.


Darren McFadden rush for 1 yard to the Ark 34. 0 6
2nd and 9 at ARK 34 Darren McFadden rush for 8 yards to the Ark 42.

1st and 10 at ARK 45 Felix Jones rush for 2 yards to the Ark 47.

1st and 10 at TSU 37 Darren McFadden rush for 25 yards to the Troy 12 for a 1ST down.

End of 1st quarter. One carry on the very first play of the game for 40 yards followed up with 3 more carries for a total of 2 yards. McFadden, 6 carries for 53 yards.

2nd Quarter:

1st and 10 at TSU 12 Darren McFadden rush for 12 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. 0 12
1st and 10 at ARK 38 Darren McFadden rush for 6 yards to the Ark 44. 14 20
2nd and 4 at ARK 44 Darren McFadden rush for 3 yards to the Ark 47.


1st and 10 at ARK 11 Felix Jones rush for no gain to the Ark 11. 14 20
2nd and 10 at ARK 11 Felix Jones rush for 27 yards to the Ark 38 for a 1ST down.



1st and 10 at TSU 31 Darren McFadden rush for 6 yards to the Troy 25.

2nd and 4 at TSU 25 Darren McFadden rush for 8 yards to the Troy 17 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at TSU 17 Darren McFadden rush for 3 yards to the Troy 14.
the Troy 11.


End of half.

1st two series of the 2nd half start with runs from McFadden. 21 yards and 1 TD.

The 3rd series, they bring in Jones and he no gain and 27 yards. That's it for Jones. No more touches in the 1st half.

McFadden has three more carries for 17 yards.

Yeah, he had on good run to start the game off with and then nothing. He had another run for 27 after a heavy does of McFadden and then nothing.


Don't tell me about how is not paying attention to what the information being presented is telling us.

You pick three games and they all pretty much look like this. I can go do them all for you but why? Your only trying to BS the board because your caught and you know it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's great that you're now recognizing that your "tired defenses in the 2nd half" argument was of no merit. It's only the 2nd time you've changed your argument in this thread.

1. Felix wore down over the season. Proven wrong.

2. Felix ran against "tired defenses in the 2nd half." Proven wrong.

3. Felix can't carry the ball full load because he only had 7 YPC in the 2nd half of games. LULZ.

Honestly, I'm trying to show you respect as a fellow poster but if this is about being right for you, then don't try to discuss this with me. I'm interested in having good factual conversations. I'm not interested in spending 3 hours watching you post BS to try and win an arguement that you have no clue on.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's great that you're now recognizing that your "tired defenses in the 2nd half" argument was of no merit. It's only the 2nd time you've changed your argument in this thread.

1. Felix wore down over the season. Proven wrong.

2. Felix ran against "tired defenses in the 2nd half." Proven wrong.

3. Felix can't carry the ball full load because he only had 7 YPC in the 2nd half of games. LULZ.

What are the other two games, of the TWELVE that your hanging your hat on? Lets get them broken down to so that I can be done with this idiotic mess.

 

[theogt]

God you are one lazy ........ OK. I will do it for you. After all, that is what you were hoping for.

Felix Jones on the 1st play of the game against TROY!, broke one for 40 yards.

Darren McFadden rush for 12 yards to the Troy 26 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at TSU 26 Darren McFadden rush for 5 yards to the Troy 21.
3rd and 5 at TSU 21 Darren McFadden rush for 4 yards to the Troy 17.


Darren McFadden rush for 3 yards to the Troy 37. 0 3
2nd and 7 at TSU 37 Felix Jones rush for a loss of 2 yards to the Troy 39.


2nd and 13 at TSU 26 Darren McFadden rush for 4 yards to the Troy 22.
3rd and 9 at TSU 22 Casey Dick pass complete to Darren McFadden for 12 yards to the Troy 10 for a 1ST down.
1st and Goal at TSU 10 Felix Jones rush for no gain to the Troy 10.


Darren McFadden rush for 1 yard to the Ark 34. 0 6
2nd and 9 at ARK 34 Darren McFadden rush for 8 yards to the Ark 42.

1st and 10 at ARK 45 Felix Jones rush for 2 yards to the Ark 47.

1st and 10 at TSU 37 Darren McFadden rush for 25 yards to the Troy 12 for a 1ST down.

End of 1st quarter. One carry on the very first play of the game for 40 yards followed up with 3 more carries for a total of 2 yards. McFadden, 6 carries for 53 yards.

2nd Quarter:

1st and 10 at TSU 12 Darren McFadden rush for 12 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. 0 12
1st and 10 at ARK 38 Darren McFadden rush for 6 yards to the Ark 44. 14 20
2nd and 4 at ARK 44 Darren McFadden rush for 3 yards to the Ark 47.


1st and 10 at ARK 11 Felix Jones rush for no gain to the Ark 11. 14 20
2nd and 10 at ARK 11 Felix Jones rush for 27 yards to the Ark 38 for a 1ST down.



1st and 10 at TSU 31 Darren McFadden rush for 6 yards to the Troy 25.

2nd and 4 at TSU 25 Darren McFadden rush for 8 yards to the Troy 17 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at TSU 17 Darren McFadden rush for 3 yards to the Troy 14.
the Troy 11.


End of half.

1st two series of the 2nd half start with runs from McFadden. 21 yards and 1 TD.

The 3rd series, they bring in Jones and he no gain and 27 yards. That's it for Jones. No more touches in the 1st half.

McFadden has three more carries for 17 yards.

Yeah, he had on good run to start the game off with and then nothing. He had another run for 27 after a heavy does of McFadden and then nothing.


Don't tell me about how is not paying attention to what the information being presented is telling us.

You pick three games and they all pretty much look like this. I can go do them all for you but why? Your only trying to BS the board because your caught and you know it.

You do realize you haven't shown a damn thing, right?

Do you actually think these things prove your point?

You showed that on a few drives he had little or no gain. That in no way shows that he ran against and racked up his yardage against tired defenses.

Some people just can't look at information and analyze it very well.

 

[theogt]

Honestly, I'm trying to show you respect as a fellow poster but if this is about being right for you, then don't try to discuss this with me. I'm interested in having good factual conversations. I'm not interested in spending 3 hours watching you post BS to try and win an arguement that you have no clue on.

What are the other two games, of the TWELVE that your hanging your hat on? Lets get them broken down to so that I can be done with this idiotic mess.

The idiotic mess is pointing to the stuff you just posted as proof of your statements. It's amazing that anyone would actually be so dim as to actually think your post actually proved anything.

More yardage. More carries. More TDs.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

This thread is pretty funny!

 

[theogt]

Felix Jones ran against tired defenses -- IN THE FIRST HALF!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You do realize you haven't shown a damn thing, right?

Do you actually think these things prove your point?

You showed that on a few drives he had little or no gain. That in no way shows that he ran against and racked up his yardage against tired defenses.

Some people just can't look at information and analyze it very well.

Well I showed two things.

I showed that your 40 yard early game theory where Jones was so productive early is a steaming pile of BS.

The other thing I showed was that you don't have the good sense or manners to admit when your wrong.

Lets go, give me the two other games so that I can start on those too.

 

[theogt]

Well I showed two things.

I showed that your 40 yard early game theory where Jones was so productive early is a steaming pile of BS.

No, you didn't. You took a couple random games and showed that he had a few carries of little or no yardage. SURPRISE! EVERY BACK HAS CARRIES WITH LITTLE OR NO YARDAGE!

The other thing I showed was that you don't have the good sense or manners to admit when your wrong.

Lets go, give me the two other games so that I can start on those too.

I'll admit I'm wrong when you actually show that I'm wrong. You can't even show a single stat that comes close to suggesting your conclusion.

More carries. More yardage. More TDs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The idiotic mess is pointing to the stuff you just posted as proof of your statements. It's amazing that anyone would actually be so dim as to actually think your post actually proved anything.More yardage. More carries. More TDs.

I think it's great that your a Big enough man to make the decisions on what is Dime for everybody on the board who is reading this.

Oh, here's and idea. Why don't you just let them decide for themselves what is true and what is not. As I said, the link is there for anybody to acutally look at these games and decide what the truth is or is not.

Why don't we do that intead? Much more democratic that way.