How good was the Arkansas OLine?

[dre1614]

I'll tell you what's interesting to me.

If you study Jones, his APC goes down every year from the 1st half to the 2nd half, pretty steady.

In 05, he averaged 7.8 YPC 1st half. In the 2nd half 5.07.

In 06, he averaged 8.96 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 6.07.

In 07, he averaged 10.2 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 7.8. (1 big game in the second half of 07. 166 yards on 13 carries. Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87.

Still very respectable numbers, even with the decline but there is a definate drop of in the second half of the season. Kinda makes me wonder about all these guys who say he's a carry the load back.

The schedule for Arkansas was not all that great either. Not saying the SEC is every easy but there schedule was a lot easier early rather then late.

Troy
Bama
Kentucky
North Texas
Chattanooga
Auburn
Miss.
FlInt.
SC
Tenn
Ole Miss
LSU

You could look at it the other way also. Some say McFadden was the one who pounded the D and Felix ran on tired defenses, those stats prove other wise.

 

[dre1614]

nm you meant 1st half of the season, not 1st half of a game.

 

[theogt]

I'll tell you what's interesting to me.

If you study Jones, his APC goes down every year from the 1st half to the 2nd half, pretty steady.

In 05, he averaged 7.8 YPC 1st half. In the 2nd half 5.07.

In 06, he averaged 8.96 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 6.07.

In 07, he averaged 10.2 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 7.8. (1 big game in the second half of 07. 166 yards on 13 carries. Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87.

At least for '07 he had an injury in the 2nd half that limited him for the last several games.

 

[dre1614]

I'll tell you what's interesting to me.

If you study Jones, his APC goes down every year from the 1st half to the 2nd half, pretty steady.

In 05, he averaged 7.8 YPC 1st half. In the 2nd half 5.07.

In 06, he averaged 8.96 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 6.07.

In 07, he averaged 10.2 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 7.8. (1 big game in the second half of 07. 166 yards on 13 carries. Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87.

Still very respectable numbers, even with the decline but there is a definate drop of in the second half of the season. Kinda makes me wonder about all these guys who say he's a carry the load back.

The schedule for Arkansas was not all that great either. Not saying the SEC is ever easy but there schedule was a lot easier early rather then late.

Troy
Bama
Kentucky
North Texas
Chattanooga
Auburn
Miss.
FlInt.
SC
Tenn
Ole Miss
LSU

you cant take a game out to help your argument. What if i take out Mendenhall's game vs USC? see

 

[Bungarian]

you cant take a game out to help your argument. What if i take out Mendenhall's game vs USC? see

Agreed

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You could look at it the other way also. Some say McFadden was the one who pounded the D and Felix ran on tired defenses, those stats prove other wise.

I don't see how. McFadden carried the ball more in the 1st half of the season then Jones (147 to 66) and he carried it more the Jones did in the second half of the season (157 to 57). 5.59 1st half to 6.4 YPC 2nd half for McFadden. You would figure that after 147 carries in the first 6 games, McFadden would have slowed down but his numbers actually increased. He was more effective. He got stronger as the year went on. McFadden carried the ball 304 times in the season and was still able to increase production.

Here are all the carries Jones had in the 1st half of each ball game this year.

6 Carries
1 Carry
6 Carries
No play by play posted but he only had 7 carries the entire ball game so....
3 Carries
3 Carries
7 Carries
8 Carries
6 Carries
3 Carries
0 Carries
3 Carries


Even if we say that all 7 carries in the North Texas game came in the 1st half (which is very unlikely) he still only had a total of 53 carries in the 1st half of all his games in 07. That means that 70 came in the second half. To me, this clearly indicates that not only did McFadden wear down the defenses in the 1st half of the season, he also wore them down in the 1st half of games. No question in my mind, Jones was running against tired defenses most of the time.

 

[dre1614]

and even if he does wear down a tad, he has the frame to add at least 10 pounds of muscle according to some scouts.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/felix-jones?id=931

"Positives: Has a lean frame, but shows good muscle development and bubble, well-defined thighs and calves, large hands, wide back and room to carry at least another 10 pounds of bulk with no loss of quickness."

 

[dre1614]

I don't see how. McFadden carried the ball more in the 1st half of the season then Jones (147 to 66) and he carried it more the Jones did in the second half of the season (157 to 57). 5.59 to 6.4 YPC for McFadden. You would figure that after 147 carries in the first 6 games, McFadden would have slowed down but his numbers actually increased. He was more effective. He got stronger as the year went on. McFadden carried the ball 304 times in the season and was still able to increase production.

Here are all the carries Jones had in the 1st half of each ball game this year.

6 Carries
1 Carry
6 Carries
No play by play posted but he only had 7 carries the entire ball game so....
3 Carries
3 Carries
7 Carries
8 Carries
6 Carries
3 Carries
0 Carries
3 Carries


Even if we say that all 7 carries in the North Texas game came in the 1st half (which is very unlikely) he still only had a total of 53 carries in the 1st half of all his games in 07. That means that 70 came in the second half. To me, this clearly indicates that not only did McFadden wear down the defenses in the 1st half of the season, he also wore them down in the 1st half of games. No question in my mind, Jones was running against tired defenses most of the time.

well then why did Felix have a ridiculous 10 YPC average in the first half of games? Defenses weren't tired then...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

you cant take a game out to help your argument. What if i take out Mendenhall's game vs USC? see

I don't care if you take the game out or not, the trend is valid with or without the one game. Try again.

 

[theogt]

Even if we say that all 7 carries in the North Texas game came in the 1st half (which is very unlikely) he still only had a total of 53 carries in the 1st half of all his games in 07. That means that 70 came in the second half. To me, this clearly indicates that not only did McFadden wear down the defenses in the 1st half of the season, he also wore them down in the 1st half of games. No question in my mind, Jones was running against tired defenses most of the time.

In '07 Felix had 68 carries in the 1st half of games and 65 carries in the 2nd half of games.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

and even if he does wear down a tad, he has the frame to add at least 10 pounds of muscle according to some scouts.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/felix-jones?id=931

"Positives: Has a lean frame, but shows good muscle development and bubble, well-defined thighs and calves, large hands, wide back and room to carry at least another 10 pounds of bulk with no loss of quickness."

I can show you scouts who do not believe he can be a carry the mail back as well. That's here nor there. The numbers seem to tell a different story.

 

[dre1614]

I don't care if you take the game out or not, the trend is valid with or without the one game. Try again.

don't give me that try again ****. You clearly are biased, because you took out a game of Felix to help your argument.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

don't give me that try again ****. You clearly are biased, because you took out a game of Felix to help your argument.

:laugh2:

I didn't take out the game. I included all the numbers. I simply stated that without that game, his numbers are a very different stat in the second half.

Try again.

 

[dre1614]

:laugh2:

I didn't take out the game. I included all the numbers. I simply stated that without that game, his numbers are a very different stat in the second half.

Try again.

so tell me why did you take out that game?

try again

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In '07 Felix had 68 carries in the 1st half of games and 65 carries in the 2nd half of games.

I looked at every game on the play by play.

Here's the link i used.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=170928

 

[dre1614]

I looked at every game on the play by play.

Here's the link i used.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=170928

http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/player/31/85027/rushing/situational.html
try again

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

so tell me why did you take out that game?

try again

Don't get stupid. I'm an even guy but your pushing it. I didn't take out any game. Do the numbers yourself. I posted the link.

 

[dre1614]

Don't get stupid. I'm an even guy but your pushing it. I didn't take out any game. Do the numbers yourself. I posted the link.

This is what you said
"Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87"

dont get stupid with me.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/player/31/85027/rushing/situational.html
try again

These numbers reflect the Bowl game, which I did not include because it's not reflective of previous seasons or a week to week season.

I charted the regular season only. Still, the numbers are valid. I'm sorry if you don't like what they say. It is what it is. I'm simply stating what I've found.

 

[theogt]

I don't care if you take the game out or not, the trend is valid with or without the one game. Try again.

It's not much of a trend, really.

In '07 fall off is due specifically to an injury.

In '06 he saw a significant increase in carries in the 2nd half of the season vs. the 1st half of the season, so it only stands to reason that his average will regress to the mean.

In '05 his average was pretty similar in both halves of the season (7 vs. 5) and given such a small sample size (some games with only 3 or 4 carries) it's not really enough of a sample size to really draw in conclusion.