How good was the Arkansas OLine?

[dre1614]

These numbers reflect the Bowl game, which I did not include because it's not reflective of previous seasons or a week to week season.

I charted the regular season only. Still, the numbers are valid. I'm sorry if you don't like what they say. It is what it is. I'm simply stating what I've found.

sigh you must not have read it.

10 ypc in the 1st half of each game.
7.4 ypc in the 2nd half and ot in each game.

You said he gets his yards vs tired defenses. Well that would mean his ypc would be higher in the second half, not the first.

Defense's aren't gassed in the 1st half, yet Felix averaged 10 ypc there.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is what you said
"Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87"

dont get stupid with me.

Nothing like a little revisionest history to try and turn the tide yeah?

Here is exactly what I said, all of it.

I'll tell you what's interesting to me.

If you study Jones, his APC goes down every year from the 1st half to the 2nd half, pretty steady.

In 05, he averaged 7.8 YPC 1st half. In the 2nd half 5.07.

In 06, he averaged 8.96 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 6.07.

In 07, he averaged 10.2 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 7.8. (1 big game in the second half of 07. 166 yards on 13 carries. Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87.
Still very respectable numbers, even with the decline but there is a definate drop of in the second half of the season. Kinda makes me wonder about all these guys who say he's a carry the load back.

The schedule for Arkansas was not all that great either. Not saying the SEC is ever easy but there schedule was a lot easier early rather then late.

Troy
Bama
Kentucky
North Texas
Chattanooga
Auburn
Miss.
FlInt.
SC
Tenn
Ole Miss
LSU

The trend is still valid

 

[dre1614]

Nothing like a little revisionest history to try and turn the tide yeah?

Here is exactly what I said, all of it.

I'll tell you what's interesting to me.

If you study Jones, his APC goes down every year from the 1st half to the 2nd half, pretty steady.

In 05, he averaged 7.8 YPC 1st half. In the 2nd half 5.07.

In 06, he averaged 8.96 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 6.07.

In 07, he averaged 10.2 YPC in the 1st half. In the 2nd half 7.8. (1 big game in the second half of 07. 166 yards on 13 carries. Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87.
Still very respectable numbers, even with the decline but there is a definate drop of in the second half of the season. Kinda makes me wonder about all these guys who say he's a carry the load back.

The schedule for Arkansas was not all that great either. Not saying the SEC is ever easy but there schedule was a lot easier early rather then late.

Troy
Bama
Kentucky
North Texas
Chattanooga
Auburn
Miss.
FlInt.
SC
Tenn
Ole Miss
LSU

The trend is still valid

I know what you said. those numbers are nice... anyways
You said you didn't take out any game, and I just quoted you saying " Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87"

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[ABQCOWBOY]

sigh you must not have read it.

10 ypc in the 1st half of each game.
7.4 ypc in the 2nd half and ot in each game.

You said he gets his yards vs tired defenses. Well that would mean his ypc would be higher in the second half, not the first.

Defense's aren't gassed in the 1st half, yet Felix averaged 10 ypc there.

No, I did not say that. I said he is running against tired defenses most of the time, which is true. Chart the runs from McFadden and then the runs from Jones. McFadden has already softened the defenses up prior to Jones getting carries in any significant quantities. Further, you will find that a great many of the long runs or TDs come when McFadden has had significant carries and then Jones comes in to spell him. I'm not saying this is bad. It's smart of Arkansas to do this but the fact remains, McFadden does soften the defense up prior to Jones coming in.

I'm sorry man, that's what the stats show.

 

[theogt]

No, I did not say that. I said he is running against tired defenses most of the time, which is true. Chart the runs from McFadden and then the runs from Jones. McFadden has already softened the defenses up prior to Jones getting carries in any significant quantities. Further, you will find that a great many of the long runs or TDs come when McFadden has had significant carries and then Jones comes in to spell him. I'm not saying this is bad. It's smart of Arkansas to do this but the fact remains, McFadden does soften the defense up prior to Jones coming in.

I'm sorry man, that's what the stats show.

You're having a hard time interpreting the stats. The stats show that the majority of his production came in the 1st half. His number of carries were pretty much equal in the 1st and 2nd half. Yet more of his yardage occurred in the 1st half of games.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I know what you said. those numbers are nice... anyways
You said you didn't take out any game, and I just quoted you saying " Take that game out and he has 278 yards over the last 6 games on 57 carries for YPC of 4.87"

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OK, now you sound like my 14 year old daughter. It is clear to see what I said and the fact remains that the stats, with or without that game, still show a trend. I don't have to take any game out. These stats speak for themselves.

Back peddle if you want. The play by play is there for anybody to read. All you have to do is check it out for yourself.

 

[theogt]

OK, now you sound like my 14 year old daughter. It is clear to see what I said and the fact remains that the stats, with or without that game, still show a trend. I don't have to take any game out. These stats speak for themselves.

Back peddle if you want. The play by play is there for anybody to read. All you have to do is check it out for yourself.

Uh...actually they don't. See my post here.

What you're doing is coming to a conclusion, looking up stats to back up the conclusion and then not looking any further to confirm whether the statistics meaningfully contribute to your conclusion.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You're having a hard time interpreting the stats. The stats show that the majority of his production came in the 1st half. His number of carries were pretty much equal in the 1st and 2nd half. Yet more of his yardage occurred in the 1st half of games.

No, your focusing on the wrong thing. You have to look at this in comparison to how many carries McFadden had already made and when Jones actually made his carries. Look at the play by play of each game and you will see more clearly what I'm saying.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Uh...actually they don't.

See my post here.

If you say so, however, your wrong IMO.

 

[dre1614]

whatever......... i'm done
if i keep going your going to ban me prolly.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

whatever......... i'm done
if i keep going your going to ban me prolly.

Yeah, OK guy. You keep telling yourself that.

:laugh2:

 

[theogt]

No, your focusing on the wrong thing. You have to look at this in comparison to how many carries McFadden had already made and when Jones actually made his carries. Look at the play by play of each game and you will see more clearly what I'm saying.

No, you won't. What you'll see is that he has better production in the 1st half than the 2nd half. You said that he gets his production against tired defenses in the 2nd half. There's no question that that is incorrect. Simply showing that he had better 1st half production completely negates that statement.

If you say so, however, your wrong IMO.

I explained a likely scenario as to why the stats are what they are. It's not an opinion. You have shown a trend, but not made any attempt to EXPLAIN how that trend is caused by what you think it's caused by.

 

[dre1614]

Yeah, OK guy. You keep telling yourself that.

:laugh2:

oh ill keep going if you don't ban me.

I just took your advice and looked at his first game vs Troy. First play of the game Felix 40 yard run, sure looked like McFadden softened the D up for him.

 

[theogt]

oh ill keep going if you don't ban me.

I just took your advice and looked at his first game vs Troy. First play of the game Felix 40 yard run, sure looked like McFadden softened the D up for him.

Just looked up the Alabama game. First game I looked at. Arkansas' first play of the game was a Felix Jones run for 26 yards. I guess they got tired just looking at McFadden.

 

[theogt]

Auburn game -- only Arkansas' 6th play of the game -- Felix Jones for 28 yards.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, you won't. What you'll see is that he has better production in the 1st half than the 2nd half. You said that he gets his production against tired defenses in the 2nd half. There's no question that that is incorrect. Simply showing that he had better 1st half production completely negates that statement.

I explained a likely scenario as to why the stats are what they are. It's not an opinion. You have shown a trend, but not made any attempt to EXPLAIN how that trend is caused by what you think it's caused by.

No, I did not say that. I said he was running against tired defenses. You can explain any scenario you wish but if the premise by which you are basing your scanario around is wrong, then what does that tell you?

I said he is running against tired defenses. There is a very simple solution here. chart the plays. See what you find. I have already looked at it and I know what they indicate to me. However, if you wish to continue, all I ask is that you, yourself chart the plays and see what I am trying to say. Look at how McFadden is used and then how and when Jones gets his carries. Look at the results of those carries in relation to how McFadden is used. I think you will come to the same conclusion I did.

 

[theogt]

No, I did not say that. I said he was running against tired defenses. You can explain any scenario you wish but if the premise by which you are basing your scanario around is wrong, then what does that tell you?

I said he is running against tired defenses. There is a very simple solution here. chart the plays. See what you find. I have already looked at it and I know what they indicate to me. However, if you wish to continue, all I ask is that you, yourself chart the plays and see what I am trying to say. Look at how McFadden is used and then how and when Jones gets his carries. Look at the results of those carries in relation to how McFadden is used. I think you will come to the same conclusion I did.

He gets his best production against teams in the 1st half of games, when defenses are fresh. The statistics show this.

Really, how stubborn can you be?

You came to a conclusion, quickly looked up some stats to back up your conclusion and posted them. It's okay. Just look deeper next time.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

oh ill keep going if you don't ban me.

I just took your advice and looked at his first game vs Troy. First play of the game Felix 40 yard run, sure looked like McFadden softened the D up for him.

You I'm done with. All I get from you is "No Sir!"

:laugh2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He gets his best production against teams in the 1st half of games, when defenses are fresh. The statistics show this.

Really, how stubborn can you be?

You came to a conclusion, quickly looked up some stats to back up your conclusion and posted them. It's okay. Just look deeper next time.

I can't believe your this lazy. Your going to make go back and redo all of that just to prove what you already have seen for yourself if you are actually looking at the whole play by play and charting all the runs.

 

[theogt]

I can't believe your this lazy. Your going to make go back and redo all of that just to prove what you already have seen for yourself if you are actually looking at the whole play by play and charting all the runs.

I looked at the play by play.

And the statistics as a whole.

He gets better production in the 1st half of games. There's really no way to argue otherwise.