How long, is long enough?

[Toruk_Makto]

i'm not going to cry about anything, i'm going to laugh in your face when he's fired after next year.

Why would you laugh at me?

I'll be just as sad as you are after another wasted year of Romo's prime.

It's like some 'fans' would rather we underachieve so they can say "I told you so" rather than have us win and need to eat some crow.

It's really weird.

 

[TTexasTT]

Huh? TTexas, do you just make this stuff up and hope nobody fact checks you?

49ers: 2004-2010 records

2010: 6-10
2009: 8-8
2008: 7-9
2007: 5-11
2006: 7-9
2005: 4-12
2004: 2-14

Are you even aware of how that team was bulit? Im not going to sit down and break it down for you. Id say that those who have been following the NFL are pretty aware of what I was talking about. Im not going to spend my Saturday teaching you, especially after you tried to use a coach who didnt even coach most of the year as an example to support your claim.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Plenty of examples -- at least one ever year going back three years:

49ers from 2010 - 2011: 6-10 to 13-3 and NFC championship in Harbaugh's 1st year
Colts from 2011 - 2012: 2-14 to 11-5 in Pagano's 1st year
Chiefs from 2012 - 2013: 2-14 to projected 16-0 (obviously won't hit 16 wins but you get the picture) in Reid's 1st year

So 3 examples over a 3 year period. A total of 60 teams won't make the playoffs in a 3 year period.

And in each of these examples you went from a team experience well below average QB play to well above average. Hint...it probably wasn't all on the coach for their sudden success.

 

[jobberone]

And how fast they're moving.


Ok if Train A is going 68 MPH from Chicago to New York, and Train B is moving at 83 MPH from Austin to Dallas, how long will it take the Cowboys to win a superbowl?

More than a little and less than a lot of time. It's on the other side of that hill.

 

[RS12]

How long, is long enough?

Three and a half years with no play off games.

 

[TTexasTT]

So 3 examples over a 3 year period. A total of 60 teams won't make the playoffs in a 3 year period.

And in each of these examples you went from a team experience well below average QB play to well above average. Hint...it probably wasn't all on the coach for their sudden success.

Dude, dont even bother. lol

 

[TTexasTT]

Three and a half years with no play off games.

Wrong. It will be 3.5 years with atleast one playoff game. I dont see him getting canned the first year he takes a team to the playoffs.

 

[XDez88BeastX]

And if we had the Chiefs schedule and didn't have another ridiculous rash of penalties on the defensive side, we'd probably be 7-1, and people would be talking Garrett for coach of the year. Context.

I think we would more than likely be hearing Marinelli touted for coach of the year more than Garrett

 

[perrykemp]

Are you even aware of how that team was bulit? Im not going to sit down and break it down for you. Id say that those who have been following the NFL are pretty aware of what I was talking about. Im not going to spend my Saturday teaching you, especially after you tried to use a coach who didnt even coach most of the year as an example to support your claim.

Please enlighten me.

Who the heck cares about they were built -- their record over an extended amount of time shows that the 49ers sucked -- not a single winning season. Does that require a PhD or a deep background in NFL coaching to understand?

Yeah, sure the accumulation of high draft picks from sucking every year finally built up and increased the quality of the roster, however, please don't act like there was any grand plan from 2004 - 2010 in San Fran.

 

[Hoov]

To the OP.

I think Garrett will be given more time and I'm ok with that. I think he has turned the roster over quite a bit and the team has not had the salary cap money to do much in free agency market so there has to be a lot of building through the draft and im ok with that too, but i think that takes a little longer. There also has been a change from 3-4 to 4-3 and some players that we thought could be counted on where not available this year for the DLine and they are really inexperienced at safety but i like that they are putting the young guys in thre and letting them learn and play.

I think there are some posters who beleive that if we had a different HC romo's play would be more consistent and he would lead this team to a championship - But i'm not one of them. I think he is a great athlete and can be a streaky QB but I think you will see the same level of play from him regardless of the play caller.

I do think Romo is good enough to get it done but need a better defense and a better running game to win consistently. With the players on this team, firing Garrett and bringing in a new HC will not make the defense or run game better IMO.

Callahan know enough about football to know how to run the ball, the current players are not getting it done when a run play is called.

Also, I watch a lot of other teams and quite frankly i see experienced coaches every sunday making much bigger game day blunders than Garrett every week. A team failing to execute is not a coaching blunder.

 

[jobberone]

Three and a half years with no play off games.

How long did it take Landry to win a playoff game? How could of a coach was he? It takes awhile to turn a team around when they have a large talent deficit.

 

[Dodger12]

It's like some 'fans' would rather we underachieve so they can say "I told you so" rather than have us win and need to eat some crow.

It's really weird.

No, they wouldn't.

What's really weird is fans accepting this type of mediocrity, year after year after, and continue to make the same excuses. It's like some of you guys are paid by Jerry to post his propaganda around here.

 

[jobberone]

To the OP.

I think Garrett will be given more time and I'm ok with that. I think he has turned the roster over quite a bit and the team has not had the salary cap money to do much in free agency market so there has to be a lot of building through the draft and im ok with that too, but i think that takes a little longer. There also has been a change from 3-4 to 4-3 and some players that we thought could be counted on where not available this year for the DLine and they are really inexperienced at safety but i like that they are putting the young guys in thre and letting them learn and play.

I think there are some posters who beleive that if we had a different HC romo's play would be more consistent and he would lead this team to a championship - But i'm not one of them. I think he is a great athlete and can be a streaky QB but I think you will see the same level of play from him regardless of the play caller.

I do think Romo is good enough to get it done but need a better defense and a better running game to win consistently. With the players on this team, firing Garrett and bringing in a new HC will not make the defense or run game better IMO.

Callahan know enough about football to know how to run the ball, the current players are not getting it done when a run play is called.

Also, I watch a lot of other teams and quite frankly i see experienced coaches every sunday making much bigger game day blunders than Garrett every week. A team failing to execute is not a coaching blunder.

Good post. You can't look at all turnarounds and judge them by the same criteria. SF was loaded with talent. And cap space plays a huge part in not only building a team but keeping the right players. My biggest problem with the FO for many years.

 

[RS12]

How long did it take Landry to win a playoff game? How could of a coach was he? It takes awhile to turn a team around when they have a large talent deficit.

This is a win now league. Most coaches get three years. He needs to win a playoff game or he'll be gone. Jerry wont be able to justify his return any other way.

 

[perrykemp]

How long did it take Landry to win a playoff game? How could of a coach was he? It takes awhile to turn a team around when they have a large talent deficit.

I agree that isn't not really about the duration.

My general concern about JG is that I have yet to see any particularly distinguishing characteristics from him.

I <do> understand that every once in a while you have a Bill Belichek or even or a Pete Carroll that initially were not very good coaches and came back after being fired and were better coaches.

Even in those cases Jobberone, those guys had to take their lumps, were held accountable, had to go back and take a hard look at their performance -- what worked, what didn't, etc. They were fired and eventually were better coaches for it.

I'm curious, what in JG do you see at this stage of his career that makes you think he is ready to take the next step?

 

[TTexasTT]

No, they wouldn't.

What's really weird is fans accepting this type of mediocrity, year after year after, and continue to make the same excuses. It's like some of you guys are paid by Jerry to post his propaganda around here.

Whats funny about this is these fans who DAMAND more from THIER TEAM and find the current situation unacceptable... I wonder of any of them hold their personal life to such a standard. lol And yes, there are so many jaded "fans" here that would rather see this team lose in order to avoid the humbling of JG leading Dallas to a successful season. Myself, Ill let the guys that are paid to do these things make the decisions while I cheer for the Boys and hope for the best with what the team has.
Id love to be paid by Jerry!!

 

[waving monkey]

look around the league. the "process" of "getting your guys/philosophy implemented" is taking half the time to complete with other teams....why are things moving so slow in dallas? if he doesn't at least win one playoff game then you cut ties with garrett.

your goina be unhappy I am afraid

 

[jobberone]

No, they wouldn't.

What's really weird is fans accepting this type of mediocrity, year after year after, and continue to make the same excuses. It's like some of you guys are paid by Jerry to post his propaganda around here.

Understanding why things are the way they are is not accepting the situation. It's called maturely seeing the entire situation and evaluating progress in a secular way rather than focusing on a few aspects to come to an understanding.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No, they wouldn't.

What's really weird is fans accepting this type of mediocrity, year after year after, and continue to make the same excuses. It's like some of you guys are paid by Jerry to post his propaganda around here.

What do you mean "accepting?"

Cowboys still ruin a lot of Sundays for me.

But you'd have to be a blind man to not see progress. But some are so simple they only see wins and losses. As if the NFL is a game of tic tac toe.

In a lot of ways I envy people like you. I mean a world of just black and white. How simple things must be!

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Plenty of examples -- at least one ever year going back three years:

49ers from 2010 - 2011: 6-10 to 13-3 and NFC championship in Harbaugh's 1st year
Colts from 2011 - 2012: 2-14 to 11-5 in Pagano's 1st year
Chiefs from 2012 - 2013: 2-14 to projected 16-0 (obviously won't hit 16 wins but you get the picture) in Reid's 1st year

So if we made a list of teams that hire and fire coaches and stayed bad or got worse, which list would be longer?