How often QBs throw into tight windows and their turnover worthy play rate (on all throws)

[PAPPYDOG]

I think if Dak would help in the run game...a couple designed and a couple take offs.....it would help keep some defense in.

Dak had it all in 2016 from a stud Zeke to offline and Dez,Witten etc.
He only scored 13 points in the 1st 3 Quarters vs the Packers in the playoffs.
Only woke up in the 4th when the Pack went to Prevent (The start of a never-ending pattern of play with Dak) defense.
Same pretty much vs the Rams playoff loss another 4th Q prevent game for him.
Another loss for our Cowboys.
No matter how much talent you surround him with you also need the 85 Bears defense in the mix.
GL building this dream team in today's cap league..........right Mr. 60 million $ man???

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Watching Dak run reminds me of watching JWit run his last few years.

Like his feet are in concrete blocks.

>.> careful there... you might be giving some people on this board ideas about concrete shoes.

 

[America's Cowboy]

You are going by JUST the graph? Don't we need some...context?

loool. Yes! You got me.

 

[Chasing6]

C'mon Chasing6. No one? All good.

In that case, the blame goes to the GM.....that guy. Jerry has gone mad like Dr. Frankenstein.

He sabotaged this team from the beginning and got the board angry with one player, for the most part. He's the same guy that prolongs contract negotiations that could have saved more money or reduced market value. He's got the board angry at a player who was brought back.....did it with Witten too instead of moving forward. He's the one that selected or stamped approval for a DT that is in bust mode and a TE that we're still waiting to do something. He got stuck on Michigan.

He is getting poised to select our next HC that doesn't have experience in the role (Kellen Moore). He is the same guy that didn't even invite Henry to the Star to just talk and see.

He is the same guy that allowed a player with the "flu" to walk around and possibly infect everybody too. He is the same guy, with his coaches, thinking one WR can have high targets and a defense wouldn't adjust. He is the same guy, with his coaches, thinking WRs under 6 ft, can outduel jump balls. He is the same guy thinking his coaches are on to something with the play calling in the redzone. He is the same guy, with his coaches, thinking our predictable play calling is confusing the defense, much less the blind. Still left meat on the bone. This is just the offensive side......and it's offensive. I could have gone on further.

Well if Mountain Mahomes has worse numbers than Dak, and a significantly better team, who could it be???

 

[FanofJerry]

Play calling is bland around The Star.

Just saw Penn State run a jet sweep with a lineman....instead of handing off to the lineman in the jet sweep action, he was used as a lead blocker with a running start.

 

[Cmac]

Well if Mountain Mahomes has worse numbers than Dak, and a significantly better team, who could it be???

I'm not sure.......we still wouldn't be a post-season contender. We in trouble, that I do know.

 

[Chasing6]

I'm not sure.......we still wouldn't be a post-season contender. We in trouble, that I do know.

I would take HS Athletic Director over GM Jethro.

 

[charron]

Part of this is route selection, part is the receivers can't run routes and are all slow.

 

[FanofJerry]

It's obvious the team isn't trying.

Jerry is peddling positivity and lies because he doesn't want to piss off low end season ticket holders or people that have bought tickets and booked trips for future games this year.

This boards traffic will take a nose dive in the coming weeks.

Since shock and shock value seem to be a thing along with the good old bait and switch...don't come at me in 8 weeks when we are a wild card team and scoot into the playoffs and tell me I was wrong about this team. We are in a soft rebuild or we are being set up to look bad and then make a playoffs and a playoff run for shock value.

 

[Hoov]

If you theory is correct why not more QB's on the far right side?

Why does Mounatian Mahomes have big windows and more INT's?

Interesting.

I might be wrong, but if I’m reading the chart right -

The farther right you are the more tight windows.
The lower you are equals more turnovers.

So Dak throwing into a lot of tight windows and also has a lot of turnovers.

Mahomes is throwing into significantly less tight windows and has a lot less turnover rate.

All of this would be expected.

The outlier is Rodger’s who throws into the second most tight windows but has very few turnovers.

Unless I’m reading the chart wrong and if so someone correct me.

 

[Chasing6]

I might be wrong, but if I’m reading the chart right -

The farther right you are the more tight windows.
The lower you are equals more turnovers.

So Dak throwing into a lot of tight windows and also has a lot of turnovers.

Mahomes is throwing into significantly less tight windows and has a lot less turnover rate.

All of this would be expected.

The outlier is Rodger’s who throws into the second most tight windows but has very few turnovers.

Unless I’m reading the chart wrong and if so someone correct me.

Mahomes has more picks than Dak, in bigger windows, with a legit running game.

 

[FanofJerry]

I might be wrong, but if I’m reading the chart right -

The farther right you are the more tight windows.
The lower you are equals more turnovers.

So Dak throwing into a lot of tight windows and also has a lot of turnovers.

Mahomes is throwing into significantly less tight windows and has a lot less turnover rate.

All of this would be expected.

The outlier is Rodger’s who throws into the second most tight windows but has very few turnovers.

Unless I’m reading the chart wrong and if so someone correct me.

Rodgers would look amazing with elite play calling such as Detroit or KC.

Rodgers throws a great ball. But you live and die by that. Throwing tight windows or timing routes where the ball has to be in the air before WR turns around is what Rodgers is upper echelon at....but that leads to INTs.

The posters that want Dak throwing these balls would cry about the INTs. You can't have it both ways unless you're gaslighting

 

[diamonddelts]

don't come at me in 8 weeks when we are a wild card team and scoot into the playoffs and tell me I was wrong about this team. We are in a soft rebuild or we are being set up to look bad and then make a playoffs and a playoff run for shock value.

Huh?

 

[BHendri5]

If the NFL had the advanced statistics back in the 90's then Troy Aikman would be worshiped like a god.

Michael Irvin could have two DB's draped around him and Troy would split the 8's on his jersey.

Typically, Troy was ready to throw by his last backpedaled step.

lol, Aikman threw to a spot on the field, they ran a timing based offense, when he hit the last backpedaled step you’re talking about he threw the ball to where the receivers were supposed to be, if anything threw the timing off that pass was incomplete, picked if a defender was there or just plain thrown away by Aikman.
Stop Aikman was not all that.
My top QBs were Romo, Staubach, White Then Aikman

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

lol, Aikman threw to a spot on the field, they ran a timing based offense, when he hit the last backpedaled step you’re talking about he threw the ball to where the receivers were supposed to be, if anything threw the timing off that pass was incomplete, picked if a defender was there or just plain thrown away by Aikman.
Stop Aikman was not all that.
My top QBs were Romo, Staubach, White Then Aikman

That's why Drew Brees modeled his game after Aikman, because he wasn't all that. Why John Madden used to love to talk about how accurate Aikman was, because the man knew nothing about football... The Disrespect the guy gets is unbelievable...

 

[FanofJerry]

Aikman would prosper today's game.

 

[plasticman]

You say something like this, yet Troy himself said how bad the route tree/play design is in the offense.

This chart shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who watches the games. 75% of the routes run are either curls or go routes. There’s 0 creativity to our offense and the scheme makes no attempts to actually get WR’s open.

And yes, 2 things can be true at the same time. The offense is terrible AND Dak needs to play much better.

I can guarantee you those routes would be run correctly today if Troy was the QB. He didn't give a flat "f" who you were in that offense (except Larry Allen) you were going to do things the right way.

He used to get on the Coaches butts for soft practices.

 

[plasticman]

lol, Aikman threw to a spot on the field, they ran a timing based offense, when he hit the last backpedaled step you’re talking about he threw the ball to where the receivers were supposed to be, if anything threw the timing off that pass was incomplete, picked if a defender was there or just plain thrown away by Aikman.
Stop Aikman was not all that.
My top QBs were Romo, Staubach, White Then Aikman

You are out of your brain on the train.

Are you going to tell me that the pass to Ismael to beat Washington was timed? It took precision and Troy was deadly accurate with a fast ball.

 

[tm1119]

I can guarantee you those routes would be run correctly today if Troy was the QB. He didn't give a flat "f" who you were in that offense (except Larry Allen) you were going to do things the right way.

He used to get on the Coaches butts for soft practices.

Nope…still grasping for straws. Has very little to do with the routes being run incorrectly and has everything to do with the defense knowing what the offense is doing. There’s 0 creativity or imagination to our offense. The scheme McCarthy and Co are trying to run is outdated and predictable. What the scheme is doing to the offense is the equivalent of showing up to a foot race with an anchor chained to your ankle.

Of course no real #2 WR threat + a pathetic RB room + 2 rookie o lineman playing new positions also = disaster.

 

[McKDaddy]

Rodgers would look amazing with elite play calling such as Detroit or KC.

Rodgers throws a great ball. But you live and die by that. Throwing tight windows or timing routes where the ball has to be in the air before WR turns around is what Rodgers is upper echelon at....but that leads to INTs.

The posters that want Dak throwing these balls would cry about the INTs. You can't have it both ways unless you're gaslighting

earlier in the season AR had 2 or three passes bounce off receivers directly to defenders. context matters.

the elite QB's are making near impossible throws game in & out. no chart should change anyone's mind concerning what they can see in high def.