How to create Salary Cap space

[LittleD]

So what are you still doing here?

I'm way too old to change at this late date. I started off watching the Cowboys in 1960 and they weren't very good that
year either under Landry. There have been lots of bad years since the start and several good years. I guess I'll just stick
with them win or lose.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Guess what. Jerry and Stephen could care less what you or I or this board has to say. He keeps selling merchandise, filling seats and getting
air time. Jerry has billions and is not losing sleep over what anyone here has to say. We are just "tilting at windmills" guys.

Oh, you think its about making an impact? lol

I could care less if my opinions effect the front office or not. I would hope they have more important things to do than worry about what we think.

 

[Nightman]

The entire reason Dallas has had more dead money on the books over the last 10 years than pretty much anyone is because this front office is addicted to restructuring contracts to help a Little today and hurt a lot tomorrow.

If you could just ween off restructuring everyone, in a few years you won’t have to worry as much about the cap and all the dead money you have to compensate for. Tony Romo is STILL on the books for all the times you restructured him contract. It’s Cuckoo. Imagine if you had that 9 million right now from Romo. That’s the difference between Zack Martin and some random FA backup. You wouldn’t have to worry about his new contract. Who was it that you restructured Romo for? Ratliff? Dez’s New deal? Greg Hardy? Was it worth it?

The old Dead Money bogeyman.......might as well talk about Jason from Firday the 13th.......makes a good bad guy but isn't real

If you can create 50m in cap space and have 13m in Dead Money you are still 37m ahead

The bill never comes do....... the cap has gone up 55m the last 5 years....... Romo is still on the books because he had insanely low cap hits for years........scaredy cap deniers always forget to mention those years

And we already have ZMartin under contract with a 9.3m cap hit......it is sad you have bought the company line, swallowed the KoolAid, spun the talking points....... SJones hates FA and doesn't want to look bad so he avoids it completelty

 

[Nightman]

Dangerous. Of course you support that notion with nothing.

If you spend up to the cap and eat said accelerations you have to create space somehow ow you start eating a $1m daily penalty. Of course with your method of restructuring as much as possible and spending said money every year, that is impossible.

Bing.....what are you still doing here?????? I thought I told you to go.......

 

[Nightman]

If there are only 3 cuts then why are there 11 guys with "cut or trade" next to their names?

Nice work, btw.

Those aren't the Cut or Trades....... just how much space doing that would create

Dez for example has 3 options......... CT- Cut or Trade, E- Extend, R- restructure

The 3 actual cuts I suggested are OSca, Hanna and Mayowa

 

[Chuck 54]

It's easy to massage the salary cap. We did it many times in the past, especially with Tony Romo.
The problem with creating salary cap space is that you always end up having to pay the money; most of it becomes guaranteed, and if you cut a guy or he gets injured or even retires, you are now on the hook for dead money.

We are almost out of that, nearing the end of the big money we still pay Romo. If we were a championship caliber team and some nearing the end guy like Earl Thomas might bring us a championship, then I'd do it in a second. But we are not a championship team, and we're not 1 player or even 2 players away. That's not to say that an above average, non-championship team can't get hot and healthy at the right time and win a championship, but these guys fans want to sign in free agency aren't the missing piece from a great team.

Don't do it! Get young at safety; don't gamble the future that a safety of all positions is going to win you a championship.

We have 10 draft picks; use them, and use free agency where you can to strengthen the roster without restructuring anyone named Lee, Smith, or Witten.

 

[Chuck 54]

DAL is roughly 3-4m under the cap after Tagging DLawrence

How they can create space*
Restructure= R
Cut or Trade= CT*
Extend= E

TSmith...............R.............7.3m
DLaw.................E..............10m
..........................CT............17m
Dez....................R..............10m
..........................CT.............8.5m
..........................E...............8m
TFred................R...............7.4m
SLee.................R...............3m
ZMartin.............E................4m
TCrawford.........R...............3.4m
.........................CT..............1.8m
Witten..............CT...............6.9m
........................R.................3.9m
TWill...............R...................1.8m
.......................CT.................(2.5m)
LCollins............R................1.8m
OScan............CT................1.4m
Mayowa...........CT..............2.7m
Hanna.............CT................2.7m
Beasley...........CT................3.2m
Bailey..............R..................1.6m
........................CT...............3.4m
Heath..............CT................1.6m

*No June 1st cuts and No Rule of 51 savings



That is 65m in cap space with only cuts to OScan, Hanna and Mayowa

They won't do it but I don't want to hear we are in cap trouble...... we are also 65m under the cap in 2019

That's a lot of contributers that are being cut and traded; even the marginal guys have to be replaced.

 

[Nightman]

Cowboys are Kings of Restructuring terrible Contracts. They always forget that you have to pay the Bill at some Point. Right now we still have Romo Count 9M against the Cap. Its just delaying the Problems. Than we have People who arent on the Team anymore or are old and unproductive eating a ton of Cap Space. Thats were the Cowboys are every year.

The goal isn't to have huge Cap Space.... the goal should be to spend as much of the cap as possible every year.....even spending cash above the cap.... the beauty of the cap is it goes up every year

Restructures are simply paying more later when the cap is higher...... it is a 0% interest loan.........smart businessmen borrow to expand when money is cheap..... when it is free or even comes with tax back incentives they would be fools not to utilize borrowing from the future

Most teams can disappear for a year or 5 and get their cap in shape at the expense of actually winning

Dallas doesn't have that luxury, nor should they..... they should use their massive cash advantage as an asset and not pretend to be the Packers...... Cash is KIng and the Jones prefer to pocket it then to spend it on FAs

 

[glimmerman]

They only restructure what they need to every year to do what they have to do.

It’s why I never worry about cap space.

 

[Nightman]

It's easy to massage the salary cap. We did it many times in the past, especially with Tony Romo.
The problem with creating salary cap space is that you always end up having to pay the money; most of it becomes guaranteed, and if you cut a guy or he gets injured or even retires, you are now on the hook for dead money.

That is simply not true..... Dead Money is simply the receipts for Cap savings that have already been spent or used..... no one complains when they pay 5m year one instead of 12m.......you only have to pay the other 7m at some time over the next 4 years when the cap is higher..... it is simple math

Also when a player gets hurt or retires you get to drop their huge base salary...you talk about 9m for Romo but you never mention that team saved 34m the last 2 years with retiring and that is above and beyond the Dead Money...... he was set to count for 53m....instead he counted for 19m..... so the team saved 34m against the cap with his retirement

It is like getting a 60 month loan for a brand new truck at 0% APR with 5000k cash back and then crying about having a car payment in 5 years even though you used the truck every day and made a ton of money with it........ you could have paid off the truck in full when buying it but instead you used the money for a trailer and a boat as well

 

[Nightman]

That's a lot of contributers that are being cut and traded; even the marginal guys have to be replaced.

that list is just the MENU....... they are not suggestions or plans.......simply how much those moves will save against the cap....that is why there are 3 options for some guys

The only cuts I propose are: OScan-1.4m, Hanna-2.75m and Mayowa- 2.75m.........total of 6.9m

 

[Nightman]

If DAL wanted to Max Out the Cap here are the moves they would make

Extend- Dez, ZMartin, DLaw =22m

Restructure- TSmith, TFred, SLee, Witten, TCrawford, TWill, LCollins, Bailey = 31m

Cut/Trade- OScandrick, Hanna, Mayowa, Beasley, Heath = 12m

That gives DAL a total of 68-70m under the cap

If they did it all at once everyone would clamor for a spending spree........instead they dribble it out piece by piece and make themselves look cap strapped...... the Media and the fans lap it up and we are back to the Dollar Store again for FAs instead of the Apple Store...... you gotta pay for quality sometimes

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

DAL is roughly 3-4m under the cap after Tagging DLawrence

How they can create space*
Restructure= R
Cut or Trade= CT*
Extend= E

TSmith...............R.............7.3m
DLaw.................E..............10m
..........................CT............17m
Dez....................R..............10m
..........................CT.............8.5m
..........................E...............8m
TFred................R...............7.4m
SLee.................R...............3m
ZMartin.............E................4m
TCrawford.........R...............3.4m
.........................CT..............1.8m
Witten..............CT...............6.9m
........................R.................3.9m
TWill...............R...................1.8m
.......................CT.................(2.5m)
LCollins............R................1.8m
OScan............CT................1.4m
Mayowa...........CT..............2.7m
Hanna.............CT................2.7m
Beasley...........CT................3.2m
Bailey..............R..................1.6m
........................CT...............3.4m
Heath..............CT................1.6m

*No June 1st cuts and No Rule of 51 savings



That is 65m in cap space with only cuts to OScan, Hanna and Mayowa

They won't do it but I don't want to hear we are in cap trouble...... we are also 65m under the cap in 2019

You said "with only cuts to those three players", but you also restructured 8!!!! Players contracts kicking the can down the road.

8 restructures would be 2x more than any team has ever done over one offseason.

 

[Nightman]

You said "with only cuts to those three players", but you also restructured 8!!!! Players contracts kicking the can down the road.

8 restructures would be 2x more than any team has ever done over one offseason.

I don't know where you got that stat but even if it is true.....so what????

It is accounting , not voodoo

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I don't know where you got that stat but even if it is true.....so what????

It is accounting , not voodoo

What do you mean "so what"?

By making these moves you are going all in this year. It would stymie us for the five years after, so we would absolutely need to win next year.

Likely wouldnt be able to afford resigning Dak and Co. when their contracts are up, but "so what"?

 

[gjkoeppen]

DAL is roughly 3-4m under the cap after Tagging DLawrence

How they can create space*
Restructure= R
Cut or Trade= CT*
Extend= E

TSmith...............R.............7.3m
DLaw.................E..............10m
..........................CT............17m
Dez....................R..............10m
..........................CT.............8.5m
..........................E...............8m
TFred................R...............7.4m
SLee.................R...............3m
ZMartin.............E................4m
TCrawford.........R...............3.4m
.........................CT..............1.8m
Witten..............CT...............6.9m
........................R.................3.9m
TWill...............R...................1.8m
.......................CT.................(2.5m)
LCollins............R................1.8m
OScan............CT................1.4m
Mayowa...........CT..............2.7m
Hanna.............CT................2.7m
Beasley...........CT................3.2m
Bailey..............R..................1.6m
........................CT...............3.4m
Heath..............CT................1.6m

*No June 1st cuts and No Rule of 51 savings



That is 65m in cap space with only cuts to OScan, Hanna and Mayowa

They won't do it but I don't want to hear we are in cap trouble...... we are also 65m under the cap in 2019

When you're doing all of your figuring which is wrong, you have to count EVERYTHING that counts against the cap. Bonuses and dead money not just salaries. The Cowboys aren't anywhere close to 65 mil under the cap. Most people that actually figure these things correctly have the Cowboys after tagging Lawrence at about 3 - 4 mil under the cap. Now if you think releasing those players will really happen and will give the Cowboys another 61 or 62 mil under the cap then you need to stop playing wannabe GM/capologist. Not to mention Stephen has already said restructuring contracts is the option of last resort because eventually it adds more dead money tom the cap. Lastly nobody knows yet what the cap will be for 2019. They haven't even set the actual cap for 2018 yet. Stick to your day job at Burger King.
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[gjkoeppen]

The old Dead Money bogeyman.......might as well talk about Jason from Firday the 13th.......makes a good bad guy but isn't real

If you can create 50m in cap space and have 13m in Dead Money you are still 37m ahead

The bill never comes do....... the cap has gone up 55m the last 5 years....... Romo is still on the books because he had insanely low cap hits for years........scaredy cap deniers always forget to mention those years

And we already have ZMartin under contract with a 9.3m cap hit......it is sad you have bought the company line, swallowed the KoolAid, spun the talking points....... SJones hates FA and doesn't want to look bad so he avoids it completelty

It doesn't matter what Romo's cap hit was early on because other player's dead money were on the cap then. Dead cap money kills any chance to go out in free agency and over pay for talent. The ONLY way you come up with so much cap space is first by releasing like 8 or 10 players which won't happen and second by RESTRUCTURING contracts that just ADDS to the dead money down the road continuing the vicious circle. You're not the genius capologist you think you are. Your cap only works in 2 places. 1) in your head and 2) in fairy tales.
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[Nightman]

It doesn't matter what Romo's cap hit was early on because other player's dead money were on the cap then. Dead cap money kills any chance to go out in free agency and over pay for talent. The ONLY way you come up with so much cap space is first by releasing like 8 or 10 players which won't happen and second by RESTRUCTURING contracts that just ADDS to the dead money down the road continuing the vicious circle. You're not the genius capologist you think you are. Your cap only works in 2 places. 1) in your head and 2) in fairy tales.
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Go away ......the adults are talking

 

[gjkoeppen]

Those aren't the Cut or Trades....... just how much space doing that would create

Dez for example has 3 options......... CT- Cut or Trade, E- Extend, R- restructure

The 3 actual cuts I suggested are OSca, Hanna and Mayowa

You did a big song and dance comment where you listed like 8 or 10 players with your C designation which you said was CUT. Stop thinking that you're a caplologist. YOU'RE NOT!!!!!
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[gjkoeppen]

Go away ......the adults are talking

The only one here talking like a child in fairy tale world is you. You are the absolute only person I've seedn that actually THINKS but isn't in reality, that the Cowboys could have 65 mil under the cap. Real adults that actually know what they are talking about say after tagging Lawrence they have 3 - 4 mil left, not anywhere close to your 65 mil in your fairy tale world.
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