How to create Salary Cap space

[Nightman]

You did a big song and dance comment where you listed like 8 or 10 players with your C designation which you said was CUT. Stop thinking that you're a caplologist. YOU'RE NOT!!!!!
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You obviously can't read......CT stands for Cut or Trade...... the list is a MENU not a playbook....it is right there in Post #1...... Cap Space for Dummies

it is a la carte....... but you since you probably don't know what that means is that items can be ordered individually

 

[gjkoeppen]

You obviously can't read......CT stands for Cut or Trade...... the list is a MENU not a playbook

it is a la carte....... but you since you probably don't know what that means is that items can be ordered individually

Oh so in your fairy tale world the Cowboys will either cut or trade 8 - 10 players between now and the 15th when free agency starts. Just admit that you're not a GM or a capologist and everyone including you will be happier.
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[cern]

When you're doing all of your figuring which is wrong, you have to count EVERYTHING that counts against the cap. Bonuses and dead money not just salaries. The Cowboys aren't anywhere close to 65 mil under the cap. Most people that actually figure these things correctly have the Cowboys after tagging Lawrence at about 3 - 4 mil under the cap. Now if you think releasing those players will really happen and will give the Cowboys another 61 or 62 mil under the cap then you need to stop playing wannabe GM/capologist. Not to mention Stephen has already said restructuring contracts is the option of last resort because eventually it adds more dead money tom the cap. Lastly nobody knows yet what the cap will be for 2019. They haven't even set the actual cap for 2018 yet. Stick to your day job at Burger King.
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i didn't give you a like to antagonize anyone else. I did it because I prefer those who deal in reality instead of those who make up scenarios in an effort to validate their points. you deal in reality. anyone who doesn't think dead money hurts us doesn't make a lot of money so they really don't understand. perhaps they think lending institutions urged people to refinance their mortgages because they wanted to help those people and not themselves.

 

[Nightman]

Oh so in your fairy tale world the Cowboys will either cut or trade 8 - 10 players between now and the 15th when free agency starts. Just admit that you're not a GM or a capologist and everyone including you will be happier.
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Wow you really are threatened by me.....how sad

 

[cern]

my furniture store sells only arm chairs and couches. and only to nfl fans. no payment for 90 days. then it hits the fan. the fall gm wannabe sale is always a hit.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this thread.

I've read doom and gloomers on here tell me we can't do anything because we have no money due to poor contracts.

So you then have a poster show you that this is a myth....and then those same guys tell him "its a fantasy world".

Cowboys wouldn't do all of this...of course not. But the real myth here is that they can't create cap space. They can.

So I don't want to hear about "we can't sign this guy because we have to save that money for this guy" type comments....because its just not correct. They can bring in anyone they want to. Is it smart to do? Probably not. But they can spend money wisely and find some mid tier free agents and fill some holes here.

 

[Nightman]

i didn't give you a like to antagonize anyone else. I did it because I prefer those who deal in reality instead of those who make up scenarios in an effort to validate their points. you deal in reality. anyone who doesn't think dead money hurts us doesn't make a lot of money so they really don't understand. perhaps they think lending institutions urged people to refinance their mortgages because they wanted to help those people.

Dead money don't hurt

You can always create more space than Dead Money and the cap keeps going up

Name one move we haven't been able to make because of the cap and don't say DWare..... we chose to dump him because of his health and switch to a 43 and even then we would have saved more space with a restructure instead of a cut

The only time it even got tight was when the owners colluded to keep it flat from 2009 to 2013...it stayed at 123m for 5 years and then we were hit with a 10m cap penalty...... guess what

We went on to a 12-4 season.......where was the pain.......... 38 wins in the next 4 years

We are acting 1/2 pregnant these days ....restructuring some but not all contracts.....we left 30m on the shelf last year ...we could have bought one or two wins for 30m in cap space

 

[cern]

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this thread.

I've read doom and gloomers on here tell me we can't do anything because we have no money due to poor contracts.

So you then have a poster show you that this is a myth....and then those same guys tell him "its a fantasy world".

Cowboys wouldn't do all of this...of course not. But the real myth here is that they can't create cap space. They can.

So I don't want to hear about "we can't sign this guy because we have to save that money for this guy" type comments....because its just not correct. They can bring in anyone they want to. Is it smart to do? Probably not. But they can spend money wisely and find some mid tier free agents and fill some holes here.

so why do you suppose the cowboys just don't do as another poster suggested and create that cap space. if it's as easy as suggested, why not?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

so why do you suppose the cowboys just don't do as another poster suggested and create that cap space. if it's as easy as suggested, why not?

I want to know that as well. I have no idea why they are doing this.

I'm of the belief that you get better from the draft. I believe in that thinking. But if you keep waiting for the draft to fill holes you are going to find yourself in contract years of Zeke and Dak and you didn't take advantage of their prime years or cheap contract years.

If the argument is that they don't want to do it because they don't see any free agents worth signing than fair enough.

If I had to take a guess.....I'd say the reason why they won't do it is because they haven't find the guy or guys to do it for.

But don't tell me that Earl Thomas can be had for a 4th or 5th rounder and you can't get him because you don't have the money. That's crap by this organization and its crap by fans spewing the same drivel.


For instance, let's say Miles Garrett or Von Miller showed interest in wanting to be a Cowboy......am I suppose to believe they wouldn't find that cap space?

 

[Nightman]

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this thread.

I've read doom and gloomers on here tell me we can't do anything because we have no money due to poor contracts.

So you then have a poster show you that this is a myth....and then those same guys tell him "its a fantasy world".

Cowboys wouldn't do all of this...of course not. But the real myth here is that they can't create cap space. They can.

So I don't want to hear about "we can't sign this guy because we have to save that money for this guy" type comments....because its just not correct. They can bring in anyone they want to. Is it smart to do? Probably not. But they can spend money wisely and find some mid tier free agents and fill some holes here.

Thank you.....very fair and reasonable

My wish list is pretty timid

I would love to trade for EThomas.......4/40m
sign BLogan or DPoe......3/20m
sign Cooper...................3/10m
sign Hitchens.................4/16m
sign D Irving............1/4.3m
sign JMcKinnon or TRawls........3/10m

 

[cern]

Dead money don't hurt

You can always create more space than Dead Money and the cap keeps going up

Name one move we haven't been able to make because of the cap and don't say DWare..... we chose to dump him because of his health and switch to a 43 and even then we would have saved more space with a restructure instead of a cut

The only time it even got tight was when the owners colluded to keep it flat from 2009 to 2013...it stayed at 123m for 5 years and then we were hit with a 10m cap penalty...... guess what

We went on to a 12-4 season.......where was the pain.......... 38 wins in the next 4 years

We are acting 1/2 pregnant these days ....restructuring some but not all contracts.....we left 30m on the shelf last year ...we could have bought one or two wins for 30m in cap space

I can come up with a scenario whereby we cut the 15 highest paid players on our team and would thereby save millions on the cap. but I just have a thing for reality. I used to work at cern. that made me the black sheep of the family as the rest are all a bit right wing as regards their creation beliefs. robbing peter to pay paul just isn't the way to go. and please understand, i'm not trying to sway your opinion. I know you won't change. credit card companies often send out info inviting you to switch to their card, transfer your balances to them, and no interest for 3-6 months. they're not really trying to help you.

 

[Nightman]

I can come up with a scenario whereby we cut the 15 highest paid players on our team and would thereby save millions on the cap. but I just have a thing for reality. I used to work at cern. that made me the black sheep of the family as the rest are all a bit right wing as regards their creation beliefs. robbing peter to pay paul just isn't the way to go. and please understand, i'm not trying to sway your opinion. I know you won't change. credit card companies often send out info inviting you to switch to their card, transfer your balances to them, and no interest for 3-6 months. they're not really trying to help you.

You really don't listen good do you

I only advocated cutting 3 guys

Grow up and try to have an adult convo without being a condescending poop thrower

 

[cern]

I want to know that as well. I have no idea why they are doing this.

I'm of the belief that you get better from the draft. I believe in that thinking. But if you keep waiting for the draft to fill holes you are going to find yourself in contract years of Zeke and Dak and you didn't take advantage of their prime years or cheap contract years.

If the argument is that they don't want to do it because they don't see any free agents worth signing than fair enough.

If I had to take a guess.....I'd say the reason why they won't do it is because they haven't find the guy or guys to do it for.

But don't tell me that Earl Thomas can be had for a 4th or 5th rounder and you can't get him because you don't have the money. That's crap by this organization and its crap by fans spewing the same drivel.


For instance, let's say Miles Garrett or Von Miller showed interest in wanting to be a Cowboy......am I suppose to believe they wouldn't find that cap space?

they don't do it because it's the way they used to do business. the deals with barber, roy Williams, ware, et. al. put them in cap hell due to the dead money after these players left. and Stephen is unwilling to repeat the mistakes of his daddy. if the idea is just to come up with scenarios whereby they could create the money, fine. but it's bad business. the money still owed romo isn't just money we have to pay him in the future. it counts against the cap until it's paid. it's bad business.

 

[cern]

You really don't listen good do you

I only advocated cutting 3 guys

Grow up and try to have an adult convo without being a condescending poop thrower

i'm not the one throwing pooh here. I suggest you submit your capology to the cowboys front office. i'm sure they will give it all the consideration it deserves.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

they don't do it because it's the way they used to do business. the deals with barber, roy Williams, ware, et. al. put them in cap hell due to the dead money after these players left. and Stephen is unwilling to repeat the mistakes of his daddy. if the idea is just to come up with scenarios whereby they could create the money, fine. but it's bad business. the money still owed romo isn't just money we have to pay him in the future. it counts against the cap until it's paid. it's bad business.

I disagree with that somewhat. They haven't been burned by enough deals for them to completely not want to do it anymore. I don't think they look at the Ware deal as a failure or bad business. He was the best pass rusher in the league at the time and they signed him up. Miles and Barber....they may. Roy....of course they do but that was their own doing.

What they should be learning from those past mistakes is probably not to sign either the Roy Williams' of the world or physical guys who bodies may break down on them(Miles, Barber) to big contracts. Pushing that money back wasn't what doomed this franchise. The Romo move was another one. The failure was not having a guy in place to take over for him. They got lucky with Dak...but this was after they signed a broken down QB at 35 to a big deal.

Pushing salaries back and restructuring deals haven't hampered this team to the point they couldn't even re-sign their own guys.

 

[Nightman]

i'm not the one throwing pooh here. I suggest you submit your capology to the cowboys front office. i'm sure they will give it all the consideration it deserves.

Another pseudo-smart guy threatened by a self-imposed label on an internet forum

You guys are a joke.... if my answers scare you so much then stop asking scary questions

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

i'm not the one throwing pooh here. I suggest you submit your capology to the cowboys front office. i'm sure they will give it all the consideration it deserves.

With the way they have chosen to spend the little money they do have....I'd honestly trust Nightman over what's going on over there lol.

There's a issue here and its hurting them.

IF you want to tell me we don't want to be players in free agency...come out and say that. But don't do what you've done. Don't spend 4 million on Nolan Carroll or spend money on the Benson Mayawa's and Cedric Thorton's. It may not be a 100 million but that is money and resources. You hampering your scouting department as well by doing that. They rely on Will McClay to find diamonds in a rough.....but they are limiting his abilities by not broadening the type of guys he can look at due to salary.

 

[windward]

I think they restructure Tyron, Fred and cut Scandrick at minimum.

I’m targeting guys like McDougald, Bowman, Andre Smith, Moncrief in free agency.

And of course Earl Thomas situation bears watching.

Pretty doable with the resources we have available to us and won’t hurt our future cap situation at all.

 

[windward]

i'm not the one throwing pooh here. I suggest you submit your capology to the cowboys front office. i'm sure they will give it all the consideration it deserves.

The front office knows they can do any of what he proposed.

It’s up to them to decide if they will actually do it.

 

[cowboyblue22]

It's very nice to wish & hope but, most of you are whistling in the wind. Stephen and McClay are running the show now
and they always shop at Walmart in order to fill a few holes. If they hit on one, that's a bonus. Otherwise, they filled a hole
with a player who can be cut easily without much cap damage. They believe in building the team with draft picks which allow
you to develop players over 3 or 4 years cheaply. The days of making a splash on an expensive player who rarely exceeds the
money you pay him are over in Dallas. Stephen has said it and that's the name of that tune.

but the thing about it is when the good guys they draft they then let most of them walk when they hit free agency they still don't have martins deal done and hitchens is going to walk and Lawrence is tagged and may walk as well