How was that Cin ball when they didn't get a first down after the touch?

Shannon1

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I swear that didn’t used to a first down. Yeah, we touched it beyond the line. But even when they recovered, it was well behind the first down line. Doesn’t make any sense that it’s Cin ball in that case. Should still be fourth down.

Okay, I’m sure I don’t know the rule but still.

Of course, how in the heck do we still have professional football players that don’t know you’re supposed to leave that ball alone. I swear the ball found the only player that didn’t know that rule. Everyone else in the stadium, including the toddlers in attendance, knew the deal.
Good grief it’s a punt no matter that it was blocked it went forward just like a punt .any person that has played football knows this.
 

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Its a punt. We touch it they can get it.

The Cowboy basically fumbled a live ball all he needed to do was wrap it up go down it bounced right to him . The worst part of the play is Bones Fassel having anyone near the punter . Let the Bengals punt it . Turpin might have a nice return or at the worst you got the ball drive for game winning FG
 

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It’s live, but I thought the first down still mattered. So they recovered but didn’t get a first down. Obviously I’m wrong but this is the way I always understood the rule.
There was a change of possession. First down marker does not come into play.
 

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It WAS a change of possession. Any punt is considered a change of possession. The rule is perfectly logical and consistent. Any kick that goes past the LOS, blocked/tipped or not, is definitionally a punt and a change of possession. If the receiving team touches it, it is a live ball at that point.
It’s not logical and consistent. Who holds possession and how does a player touching a ball turn it into a fumble so that the other team can repossess it? That player doesn’t even physically possess it. Can he signal a fair catch or “possession” prior to attempting to get the ball?
 
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It’s not logical and consistent. Who holds possession and how does a player touching a ball turn it into a fumble so that the other team can repossess it?
It’s a PUNT you touch it and don’t maintain possession it becomes a fumble,come on
 

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It’s a PUNT you touch it and don’t maintain possession it becomes a fumble,come on
Touching isn’t possession in any conceptual reality. It’s not a catch (which requires possession) when a receiver just touches the ball. It’s simply an arbitrary definition that punting is a “change of possession”. Then also in this case touching becomes a fumble without the player even actually possessing the ball.
 

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Right, but I think his point is it wasn't past the line of gain. I don't agree with the rule but it is what it is.
You don't agree that the punting team should be able to recover a fumbled punt return attempt? Dude, that's weird.
 

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I know, I get it. I'm not complaining about the call in any way as it was correct. I just don't like the way the rule is written.
Why? That makes no sense, man. It was a fumble. So, you're saying no more fumbles allowed?
 

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It’s just like the kick return guy muffs it or it hits some one blocking it becomes a fumble
 

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Basically, as soon as a punt crosses the line of scrimmage the possession changes to the receiving team. Any touch of the ball by the receiving team makes the ball a live ball. That touch was the equivalent of a muffed punt. The players should know the rule. In fact, Turpin went crazy when he saw #27 touch the ball. Turpin was visibly frustrated as soon as he saw it happen.
 

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Change of possession when he touched it
That’s the simplest explanation. It’s same thing as if a defensive team intercepts the ball returns it a few yards, then fumbles and it’s recovered by the offense, it’s an automatic first down for the offense. It’s a change of possession.
 

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Basically, as soon as a punt crosses the line of scrimmage the possession changes to the receiving team. Any touch of the ball by the receiving team makes the ball a live ball. That touch was the equivalent of a muffed punt. The players should know the rule. In fact, Turpin went crazy when he saw #27 touch the ball. Turpin was visibly frustrated as soon as he saw it happen.
Exactly thank you been trying to get it through to all the fans that don’t know football
 
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