How was that Cin ball when they didn't get a first down after the touch?

[windward]

What would be said if Oruwariye caught it cleanly and ran it in for a TD? Would some of you still want his head on a pike? I feel bad for the young man. I hope he’s ok and gets a chance to redeem himself.

 

[Sydla]

Are you stupid?

The rule and players can be stupid too. Both can be true simultaneously.

The rule isn’t stupid. It makes perfect sense.

It’s a muffed punt. If the ball goes beyond the LOS it’s basically a punt still.

 

[Sydla]

The Cowboy basically fumbled a live ball all he needed to do was wrap it up go down it bounced right to him . The worst part of the play is Bones Fassel having anyone near the punter . Let the Bengals punt it . Turpin might have a nice return or at the worst you got the ball drive for game winning FG

it is stunning that people are criticizing the staff for calling for a punt block that actually worked. One player got stupid and ruined the whole thing.

This is one awesome fanbase.

 

[RonWashington]

it is stunning that people are criticizing the staff for calling for a punt block that actually worked. One player got stupid and ruined the whole thing.

This is one awesome fanbase.

You want the ball not risk running into the punter and giving them a first down on penalty .

Secondly you have a player who’s not coached up enough to know get AWAY from the ball let it roll . YES I blame Fassel for putting on a block the punt play on when you wanted the ball back not what unfolded . Sam Williams used to run into the punier finally MM told Fassel get him off the punt team .

Last you have Turpin the most dangerous return man in the NFL and you took the ball out of his hands on this kamikaze garbage that was directed from tbe ST coach . The entire coaching staff I hope sealed it’s fate last night

 

[SultanOfSix]

The rule isn’t stupid. It makes perfect sense.

It’s a muffed punt. If the ball goes beyond the LOS it’s basically a punt still.

It is a stupid rule. Just like the blocked field goal rule is a stupid one that Leon Lett unknowingly broke over thirty years ago.

And it’s not actually “muffed punt”. It’s just arbitrarily interpreted as one. Nothing made whoever it is that touched the ball after it was blocked a receiver of the punt in order to muff it. Just like when the kick hits the ground and bounces unknowingly into the back of some receiving team player. There are plenty of dead ball situations in the NFL.

In both cases, the rule effectively penalized the team for defending the ball well.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

It’s not logical and consistent. Who holds possession and how does a player touching a ball turn it into a fumble so that the other team can repossess it? That player doesn’t even physically possess it. Can he signal a fair catch or “possession” prior to attempting to get the ball?

Yes. IF it is still in the air, crossed the LOS, and never touched the field.

If it crosses the LOS, it’s a punt dude. When a punt makes it past the LOS, blocked or otherwise, it’s considered a change of possession for ALL punts. If you’re the receiving team, don’t touch the ball if you can’t guarantee you can control it. This isn’t that hard.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Yes. IF it is still in the air, crossed the LOS, and never touched the field.

If it crosses the LOS, it’s punt dude. When a punt makes it past the LOS, it’s a change of possession. This isn’t that hard.

I know what the rule says.

I said it is an inconsistent and stupid rule that makes no sense. Just going past the line of scrimmage is not enough. It needs to go pass the first down marker.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

I know what the rule says.

I said it is an inconsistent and stupid rule that makes no sense. Just going past the line of scrimmage is not enough. It needs to go pass the first down marker.

No it doesn’t. The LOS is the logical line of demarcation for a punt.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

I know what the rule says.

I said it is an inconsistent and stupid rule that makes no sense. Just going past the line of scrimmage is not enough. It needs to go pass the first down marker.

No it doesn’t. The LOS is the logical line of demarcation for a punt because that line marks the side of the field each team “controls”.

Besides, If you changed it to the first down marker, you’d still potentially have the same issues on a blocked or tipped punt you’re complaining about now. You’re just irritated that LOS demarcation for a punt didn’t go our way. It’s whining rooted in arbitrariness.

 

[SultanOfSix]

No it doesn’t. The LOS is the logical line of demarcation for a punt.

No. It’s just the logical demarcation of where the ball is placed and the offensive team starts possession.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

No. It’s just the logical demarcation of where the ball is placed and the offensive team starts possession.

Which is another way of saying which side of the field each team “controls”.

Why do you think defenses are charged with “yards given up” when they let the ball advance lol and offenses are charged with negative yards when they go backwards?

 

[SultanOfSix]

Which is another way of saying which side of the field each team “controls”.

Why do you think defenses are charged with “yards given up” when they let the ball advance lol?

Stop completely ignoring the issue.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Stop completely ignoring the issue.

I’m not ignoring ish. I’m showing you why what happened last night is perfectly logical and consistent with the flow of the NFL rules book.

 

[SultanOfSix]

You’re just irritated that LOS demarcation for a punt didn’t go our way. It’s whining rooted in arbitrariness.

No. I’m irritated because the defense and special teams made multiple good plays only to have it taken away from them because a blocking ST player away from play merely touched the ball. What is arbitrary is that rule which allows for such stupidity to happen, and labeling the LOS as the “demarcation for a punt” doesn’t change that fact one bit. In this case the punting team didn’t even advance it past the first down without an actual physical change of possession and they still got the ball back and a new set of downs.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

No. I’m irritated because the defense and special teams made multiple good plays only to have it taken away from them because a blocking ST player away from play merely touched the ball.

Which is what can happen on any and every punt because it’s a change of possession. Being blocked or tipped doesn’t change that at all and it’s logically consistent given the NFL rules book stance on punts and the LOS.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

No. I’m irritated because the defense and special teams made multiple good plays only to have it taken away from them because a blocking ST player away from play merely touched the ball. What is arbitrary is that rule which allows for such stupidity to happen, and labeling the LOS as the demarcation for a punt doesn’t change that fact one bit.

Players blocking downfield on punts inadvertently have the ball bounce into them all the time and it’s always a fumble when that happens.

Do you want punts to just be “dead” balls that automatically goto the receiving team no matter what?

 

[SultanOfSix]

Players blocking downfield on punts inadvertently have the ball bounce into them all the time and it’s always a fumble when that happens.

Do you want punts to just be “dead” balls that automatically goto the receiving team no matter what?

I don’t know. If have to think about it.

But what immediately comes to my mind is that a blocked punt should be considered an incomplete pass once it hits the ground, just like a 4th down pass would be, especially if it doesn’t go past the first down marker.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

No. I’m irritated because the defense and special teams made multiple good plays only to have it taken away from them because a blocking ST player away from play merely touched the ball. What is arbitrary is that rule which allows for such stupidity to happen, and labeling the LOS as the “demarcation for a punt” doesn’t change that fact one bit. In this case the punting team didn’t even advance it past the first down without an actual physical change of possession and they still got the ball back and a new set of downs.

So you just want a window on the field when a punt is taking place that no matter what happens after a punt is tipped, the receiving team gets the ball.

Let’s say, it’s 4th and 26. The 26 yards between the LOS and the first down marker is a dead zone that no matter what happens after a punt is tipped, the receiving team will always get the ball if the ball fails to advance outside this dead zone. The receiving team can touch it and not control it and it will always be their ball no matter what. This dead zone will obviously fluctuate and could be as small as “inches” in a 4th and inches scenario.

That’s fine I suppose, but you realize that’s a logical deviation from the NFL rules book stance on how a live ball is handled, right?

 

[stinkface]

Leon Lett can explain it I'm thinking.

 

[CowboysRule]

Why? That makes no sense, man. It was a fumble. So, you're saying no more fumbles allowed?

Tell me how that was a fumble. A fumble indicates you had possession. He never had possession, it just touched him. Come on man.