CFZ How wide of a gap is there between the Cowboys from the 49ers/Eagles

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And when he came back from injury he was not playing well. Play strength was a concern.

Linval started when he came back and through the end of the season.

And :laugh: at sitting the 13th pick for 'development.' Sounds like the mental gymnastics Cowboys fans used for Bobby Carpenter when he wasn't starting.
Wrong. They will do the same exact thing with Jalen Carter too. They are doing it with Cam Jurgens to a different extent. When your DT rotation is Javan Hargrave, Linval Joeseph, N Suh, Fletcher Cox, Milton Williams and your D coordinator runs a heavy DLine rotation you're not got to get a ton of stats as a rookie in Philly. It wasn't a "developmental pick" it was a loaded DLine where they can afford to bring him along. It will be the same with Jalen Carter who most had as the best college player last year. The Eagles have that luxury.
 
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Wrong. They will do the same exact thing with Jalen Carter too. They are doing it with Cam Jurgens to a different extent. When your DT rotation is Javan Hargrave, Linval Joeseph, N Suh, Fletcher Cox, Milton Williams and your D coordinator runs a heavy DLine rotation you're not got to get a ton of stats as a rookie in Philly. It wasn't a "developmental pick" it was a loaded DLine where they can afford to bring him along. It will be the same with Jalen Carter who most had as the best college player last year. The Eagles have that luxury.
It was Hargraves and the corpses of Suh and Cox sure. Joseph is a journeyman. 13th pick couldn't crack the starting lineup. Spin it however you like
 

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It was Hargraves and the corpses of Suh and Cox sure. Joseph is a journeyman. 13th pick couldn't crack the starting lineup. Spin it however you like
He started the entire season until he got hurt. They have the luxury to draft for depth and bring them along. I don't see how you don't get this. He is exactly what Dallas needs. You'll see. Carter won't get a ton of snap even if he starts because their philosophy is to draft lineman in the 1st round and keep them fresh by having a deep bench. Nobody is spinning anything.
 

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He started the entire season until he got hurt. They have the luxury to draft for depth and bring them along. I don't see how you don't get this. He is exactly what Dallas needs. You'll see. Carter won't get a ton of snap even if he starts because their philosophy is to draft lineman in the 1st round and keep them fresh by having a deep bench. Nobody is spinning anything.
Nobody’s spinning, except maybe optimistic Dallas fans, huh?
 

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Take away homer thoughts, both the 49ers/Eagles last yr were clearly better teams then the Cowboys:

-Both teams were absolutely loaded personnel wise. Eagles lost arguably their best defensive player in Hargrave, who signed with the 49ers. Lost their coordinators on both sides of the football and now will be counting on several young prospects to make an impact. Eagles are quite like the Cowboy team, but still have better players inside the trenches on both side of the football. Eagles might see a little step back due to a lot unproven talent.

-The 49ers, in my opinion are a different animal, health remains a concern, along with their QB position. Will teams figure out Purdy? The same can be said about Hurts. Usually, when given an off-season, defensive coordinators will find weaknesses to exploit. Will they find away to overcome the so called 2nd yr jinx? How do teams successfully attack the 49er defense?

-Cowboys definitely can play with both teams, but they will need to play more clean and take advantage of their opponents mistakes. Still believe their is a gap. but not as wide as previous seasons.
Grand Canyon.
 

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He started the entire season until he got hurt. They have the luxury to draft for depth and bring them along. I don't see how you don't get this. He is exactly what Dallas needs. You'll see. Carter won't get a ton of snap even if he starts because their philosophy is to draft lineman in the 1st round and keep them fresh by having a deep bench. Nobody is spinning anything.
He got hurt. They traded for a journeyman and couldn't beat him out. Jseph wasn't on the team when he was starting. I don't see how you don't get this.
 

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And I’ll be rooting for the Cowboys. Sounds like you won’t.
The Cowboys need further returns on such players as:


...Perhaps they're of the mindset that Williams could struggle to produce in Dallas' crowded pass rush rotation. However, he's headed for a bigger role in year two and was quite the disruptor as a rookie in limited playing time.

Despite logging a 27% snap share, Williams accounted for four sacks, 10 tackles for loss, nine quarterback hits, a forced fumble and three recoveries. He posted a 74.4 pass-rush grade, via PFF, and totaled 22 pressures...



...In year one, Bland's five interceptions were tied for the second-most of any defender. A number of players finished with six and five picks, and Bland was right there on the leaderboard despite not seeing the field in five of the first six games of 2022.

Bland was more disruptive than Trent McDuffie, who played 97% of the snaps last season for the Chiefs and Kaiir Elam (both first round picks), who was on the field almost 60% of the time for Buffalo as a rookie...

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/2-cowboys-snubbed-pff-all-breakout-defensive-team-bland-williams


Overshown is very interesting but he needs his baptism of fire rendevous. That and a couple of linebackers already on roster need to become dependable in spelling Parsons on the outside.


Jabril Cox, LB​

The Cowboys have multiple breakout candidates at linebacker. While Damone Clark is the obvious candidate after his promising rookie year, third-year man Jabril Cox carries more of an underdog narrative given he's played just 45 defensive snaps over his first two seasons.

There's a reason for that, of course, as Cox suffered a torn ACL seven games into his rookie campaign. Cox had largely played special teams up until that point, but he showed flashes in his limited defensive work, like his thunderous third and goal tackle on Daniel Jones to save a touchdown.

Finally healthy after a grueling rehab process, Cox is clicking on all cylinders. He had a sequence during a two-minute end-of-game-situation at minicamp when he broke up consecutive passes on third and fourth down to seal the win for the defense.

It's overlooked that Cox has the most experience in the Cowboys' linebacker room outside of Leighton Vander Esch. If he can build on this momentum going into training camp, he'll have a real shot to earn a bigger workload on defense because his overall upside and range in coverage is rare for the position.

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/3-cowboys-stock-rising-before-training-camp-tolbert-cox/2
 
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This offseason is a different story. Tolbert has a different pep in his step and Mike McCarthy coined him (and Sam Williams) as great examples of players who are making a second-year leap. Tolbert's practices are indicative of that.

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/3-cowboys-stock-rising-before-training-camp-tolbert-cox/3

In his final season at Texas, Overshown accounted for 96 tackles, 10 tackles for loss, four sacks and five passes defended.

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/watch-demarvion-overshown-sing-cowboys-rookie-premiere-video
 

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We know the Eagles and they know us. That should work to our advantage in the playoffs.
Or problem with the 49ers is a quarterback problem. They know how to defeat Dak; he doesn't know how to defeat them.
We lost two years consecutively to the Niners by 7 points. Our defense held the Niners to 19 points last year.
The Niners told us their strategy to win: Make Dak beat them.
He didn't.
If we can get him to play within himself and not make costly mistakes, we beat them.
So, there is hope. We just have to take advantages of our opportunities, coach better and hope and old dog can learn a new trick or two. ;)
 

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Well 1 went to a SB and the other has beaten us twice in consecutive years in the playoffs. On paper there isn't a big gap but paper doesn't win games, history shows the gap is wider than how they look on paper.
yeah it’s a one and done league, nature of the beast. two years ago micah was concussed, last year pollard broke his leg. when the freak injury big bit the niners they got destroyed. but get the benefit of the doubt. we significantly improved in our weakest areas with gilmore, cooks and mazi. i think we’re right there with
 

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If we get to remove those 2 or 3 mistakes we made, or plays we didn't make...in those crucial games....does the other team also get to remove 2 or 3 mistakes and add 2 or 3 missed plays or remove 2 or 3 injuries? Or do only we get to do that?

Your acting like the 9ers were perfectly healthy....and didn't have a handful of plays THEY would like to have over again.

If you play the woulda-coulda-shoulda game equally on both sides...the gap is still there...just like it was on the scoreboard. I hate the 9ers as much as you... but they beat us....because they were the better team.
we saw what happened when they suffered a significant injury lol. and they had some favorable bounces. we get it your position already bruh
 

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Well a good number of games are decided by those handle of key plays! The announcers say that all the time. "This game will come down to a few key plays...and whichever team makes them will win"

What you just described is the exact difference between teams that win a lot...and those that come up short.

75% of the league could at their games and go "we're 3 plays a game from being 13-4...instead of 6-11"
yeah and we were 12-5 the past two years lol.
 

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I just saw on YouTube a video by 105.3 The Fan asking the question as to whether or not the Cowboys have closed the gap this off season between them and the Eagles. I like several of the additions. I'm hoping we play as a unit. 8 hope we have no major injuries. I'm hoping that Dak plays like the Dak I hoped he would be. But I'm nagged by a question. Does it matter? We've had talented, touted teams many years before only to lose in the first round of the playoff or miss the playoffs entirely.

So, to me, until we get to a championship game or a Superbowl, I don't think the gap matters. We need to punch through. That alone will tell you if we closed the gap.

Does it matter?
 

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Well elephants would fly if they had wings.

It's not like Purdy tripped on a banana peel and messed up his shoulder....they didn't have Purdy because Philly physically and utterly dominated them...destroyed their oLine...and dang near beat Purdy into early retirement. Then they beat the hail out of the other guy....and then nearly put Mahomes out of the Superbowl.

Good teams make their own luck and beat up the guys in front of them.

WE could have knocked Purdy out of the game too! But we didn't. We didn't manhandle them like Philly did. They manhandled us. And they sent us packing.

Until we get rid of this loser Charlie Brown mentality....that other teams are just lucky...and that we'd be as good as them if only A, B, C and D had gone our way, then we'll keep coming up short year after year.. and 27 years will turn into 37 and then 50.
he got hurt on the first drive lmao. bro you’re out of control what are you even doing
 

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In terms of what?

Popularity? We are obviously by far way more popular than either of them.
Talent? We have at least as much collective talent as anyone in football and more than most.
Coaching? Big Mike and his staff are very solid. Is he as good as Kyle? maybe not. But I think he's better than the cry baby Siriassy
Strength of team? Time will tell who the stronger team is, but I don't think we are that far ahead. ;)
 

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In terms of what?

Popularity? We are obviously by far way more popular than either of them.
Talent? We have at least as much collective talent as anyone in football and more than most.
Coaching? Big Mike and his staff are very solid. Is he as good as Kyle? maybe not. But I think he's better than the cry baby Siriassy
Strength of team? Time will tell who the stronger team is, but I don't think we are that far ahead. ;)
You do know that Aaron Rodgers believes Big Mike has the " Lowest Football IQ" of and any coach he ever had.

Even in the best of times—when confetti should’ve still been stuck to their clothing—one person who was then close to Rodgers remembers he would regularly call to vent that McCarthy didn’t have a clue what he was doing. He’d tell him that McCarthy frequently called the wrong play. That he used the wrong personnel. That they were running plays that worked one out of 50 times in practice. That McCarthy was a buffoon he was constantly bailing out.

 

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If Dak goes 11-25 1 td, 155 yards and no ints we win that game

I love Dak and think hes a great QB but that showing vs SF was the reason we went home
No the offensive gameplan was terrible. But we’ve seen that before. Not only with Dak.
 

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he got hurt on the first drive lmao. bro you’re out of control what are you even doing
How did he get hurt bro lmao. Banana peel bro?....or getting pounded by d-linemen bro?. Bro how many times did they sack the QB bro that game bro? Lmao did they hurt the #2 qb too bro? Lmao bro!

(FFR...See how dumb that sounds ?)
 
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